Missing pieces: Witnesses share their tales of Morgan sightings
published 5:00am Sunday Nov 15, 2009
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Various witnesses reported awkward encounters with a blonde woman near the Arena.GRAPHIC BY ALLISON SOMMERS
Amid a new police report that the woman who disappeared during the October 17 Metallica concert was seen hitchhiking shortly before she vanished, various witnesses in and around John Paul Jones Arena say a young, blond woman was causing concern before they ever heard that 20-year-old Morgan Harrington was missing.
Among the several witnesses who reported seeing Morgan injured both inside and outside the Arena, one Metallica fan inside says she seemed “upset” with blood on her chin but declined his offer to help.
Outside the Arena, another concertgoer says, he was on the southeast side of the building waiting for late-arriving friends to meet him around 9pm when he heard a “commotion” at an entrance.
“It was some shouting,” says the 44-year-old man who’d traveled from Fredericksburg to Charlottesville and who asked not to be identified because of the high profile nature of the case. Moments after the shouting stopped, he says that a young woman with long blond hair and dressed all in black— including, he says, a black Pantera t-shirt like the one Morgan was reportedly wearing— approached him, put her arm out, bent, as though to walk arm in arm with him, and said, “Let’s go.”
“It seemed somewhat aggressive,” he says.
Waiting for his friends and concerned that her behavior seemed “unusual,” he says, he declined and turned to walk away. The young woman responded, he says, by cursing at him and kicking him.
“It wasn’t that hard,” he says of the kick, but it was disturbing enough that he immediately called his girlfriend to relate the encounter.
“She told me I should call the police and report her,” he says. “Now I wish I had.” The concertgoer, who now believes the commotion he heard was Morgan being denied re-entry to the Arena, says he reported the encounter to police on Monday, October 19, when he learned of the disappearance. Police have confirmed that Morgan ended up outside the Arena sometime around 8:20pm and made multiple attempts to re-enter. Security at the 16,000-seat facility is outsourced to RMC Events, a Richmond-based firm with a Charlottesville office. Company President Dan Schmitt has declined comment, referring questions to Arena management, who have also declined comment.
Minutes after the concertgoer’s encounter, another witness says, a woman resembling Morgan was walking across the street with several companions.
“It was right about 9pm when we were driving down Massie Road with JPJ to left,” says a Richmond bookkeeper/musician whose late arrival prevented her from hearing opening acts Gojira and Lamb of God— but got her there in time to spot a “wobbly” blonde woman step in front of the car.
With the blonde were four young, white men— a conspicuous group, says the witness, because of the direction they were headed: away from the Arena.
In addition to a black miniskirt, tights, and a black shirt, the young blonde was wearing distinctive high-heeled boots, says the witness, a mother of two who spoke on condition of anonymity over concern for getting “pulled into the fray.”
Until now, the missing woman’s boots have been described as “knee high,” but this witness insists they were “over the knee.” (Through a spokesperson with the Harrington’s recently hired PR firm, Gil Harrington says the boots she saw Morgan try on prior to the concert were not above the knee.)
The men, says the witness, were allegedly laughing.
“I thought, ‘That girl should have no business going off with those guys, walking into an empty parking lot when the concert is getting ready to start.”
The blonde, however, did not allegedly seem distressed and even, seemingly as a joke, shook one leg at the men, also clad in black. The witness estimates the time at 9:05pm since she placed a phone call to a friend a minute later while still on Massie Road.
Police say the last confirmed sightings were on both sides of this bridge around 9:30pm.PHOTO BY HAWES SPENCER
It wasn’t the last time the Richmond woman saw the young blonde. After she, her husband, and friend parked near U-Hall, she says, she saw the same group of five gathered around a vehicle in the RV Lot, or Lannigan Field overflow parking lot— the spot where Morgan’s purse and phone were found and one of the last places police have officially placed her.
“I figured, ‘They’re going to party before they go into JPJ,” says the woman, who estimates the RV Lot sighting as 9:15pm. When she learned about the disappearance on Monday, October 19, she says, she immediately relayed her information to police, who have interviewed her as many as five times in the past three weeks.
Two weeks ago, police released a timeline that placed Morgan at various locations immediately outside the Arena from approximately 8:20pm until after she spoke to her friends by phone at 8:48pm. According to police, in that phone call, Morgan told her friends she was stuck outside the Arena (which, even with a ticket stub, does not allow reentry) and that she would find her own way home. Police have confirmed that a friend inside the concert had driven Morgan’s car and still had her keys.
Police released this image of a necklace similar to the one Morgan Harrington was wearing.PHOTO COURTESY VIRGINIA STATE POLICE
Those friends, her Blacksburg roommate Amy Melvin and JMU student Sarah Snead, have declined comment to media including the Hook; however Snead spoke with a Roanoke television station during a massive November 6-8 search. She offered no details of the night Morgan disappeared, but defended her and another friend’s decision to leave Charlottesville in Morgan’s car— but without Morgan.
“We wouldn’t have done it if we didn’t think it was okay,” she said. “Obviously, we wish things had taken place differently.” A male who traveled to the concert with the three women from Harrisonburg has never been publicly identified, and while police and the Harrington family have declined to name him, he is not considered a suspect, says Virginia State Police spokesperson Corinne Geller, who said on November 13 that Morgan had her thumb out to hitch a ride.
Gil and Dan Harrington have encouraged a national media blitz to keep focus on their missing daughter, appearing on shows including NBC’s Today and CBS’s The Early Show, as well as Dr. Phil, and Nancy Grace. In addition, Morgan was one of several missing people featured on the cover of an early November People magazine. Appearing on CNN Headline News channel’s Prime News program on Monday, November 16, Gil Harrington expressed shock that her daughter might have hitchhiked or willingly left her purse and phone. She wondered if Morgan might have been “given something or taken something” that would have altered her normal behavior.
“None of it adds up to the girl I know,” said her mother. “Who would give up their purse voluntarily?”
By 9:20pm— about 10 minutes before she was last seen on the bridge— according to the police timeline, Morgan was spotted in the RV Lot, directly across Copeley Road from the U-Hall lot and adjacent to the UVA track. Her black purse, which could also be worn as a backpack, and battery-less cell phone were spotted by a passerby the morning of Sunday, October 18. Geller says the battery cover was also recovered and that Morgan’s family says the “condition of the phone” meant the battery could come out easily if the phone was dropped. Geller says there was no sign of a struggle.
According to several sources, members of UVA’s men’s basketball team were among the last to see Harrington in the grassy, tree-shrouded parking area before she was seen with her thumb out, hitching a ride on the bridge. Emails sent to numerous team members were forwarded to UVA spokesperson Carol Wood, who directed the inquiry to State Police, but Geller declines comment on the identity of any witnesses.
“We leave it to them whether they want to speak publicly,” she says.
One possible witness has been speaking publicly, in part, she says, because she doesn’t believe investigators have fully followed her lead.
“I know what I saw,” says Norma Parson, a newspaper delivery woman who believes she saw Morgan– or an incredible lookalike— coming out of a room on UVA’s West Lawn at 3:45am October 18, six hours after the last confirmed sighting on Copeley Bridge.
“She was tall and thin,” says Parson, who says the woman’s high black boots had heels making her appear taller than Morgan’s reported height of 5′6″ and that she wasn’t wearing the black hose or tights police have described.
Because the woman also was wearing a jacket that was fastened shut, Parson says, she couldn’t determine whether the woman’s blonde hair, which was tucked inside, was long or short. But as the blond woman— accompanied by three young men, two shorter, one taller— passed by her in the well-lit brick walkway along the Lawn, she says, she got a clear look at her face, and her heavily made-up eyes, in particular. She says the woman’s presence in the wee hours of a chilly night— and her bare legs— seized her attention.
“I thought, ‘What’s she doing out here dressed like that,’” Parson recalls. When she learned of Harrington’s disappearance two days later and saw photographs of heavy mascara- and eyeliner-wearing Morgan, “I knew immediately it was the same girl I saw,” says Parson, who credits art training for teaching her to examine facial details— even those she sees in passing. “I never had a moment’s doubt,” she insists.
Evidence experts, however, say that even the most earnest and certain witnesses can err.
“It’s well established that confidence and accuracy are not clearly correlated,” says UCLA Law Professor Jennifer Mnookin, an evidence expert. Mnookin says that’s the reason police confirm every alleged sighting and look for multiple witnesses or surveillance tapes before releasing new reports.
“The mind isn’t a camera,” she says. “Recollections can be affected in all kinds of ways by other information, by what we want to believe, by other biases.”
The female student who lives in the room Parson identified did not respond to repeated inquiries from a reporter, but a neighboring student says police interviewed him and his neighbors following Parson’s tip.
“There is no blond girl who lives along this stretch,” says John Griffin, a Fourth Year engineering student, who lives next door, near Pavilion VII.
Griffin says these rooms are among the quietest on the Lawn and that neither he nor the woman whose room the Morgan lookalike was allegedly seen exiting were home on concert night. In fact, he notes, the Colonnade Club, which occupies Pavilion VII, was busy that night, and Griffin wonders if Parson may have simply seen wedding guests. “There were people from that party all up and down here that weekend,” he recalls.
Parson says she remains frustrated that police have not allowed her to identify the men she saw with the woman— particularly because she saw one on a subsequent night on the Lawn.
“I just want them to let me identify who I saw,” says Parsons, who now fears that her status as a potential witness may have put her in danger as she makes her middle-of-the-night newspaper rounds. But law expert Mnookin points out that police are limited when it comes to identifying people who haven’t committed a crime.
“You can’t arrest someone for no reason, and can’t make someone be in a line-up,” she says. If there were an already existing photo or if Parson could point one out in a public place, police could question him.
Parson acknowledges there’s a possibility the woman she saw wasn’t Morgan, but without knowing who it was— or who the men with that woman are— she says, there’s no way to rule it out.
Two doors down from the room Parson identified, Fourth Year student Declan Tansey says he was not interviewed by police and hadn’t heard anything about the case except what he’s read in news accounts. He, however, agrees with Griffin’s assessment that his room and the rooms around it are not the “party rooms” on the Lawn.
According to police spokesperson Corinne Geller, police have “thoroughly vetted” Parson’s lead but have not found anything connecting it to Morgan’s disappearance.
And Parson’s is far from the only lead police are following.
In the early days of the investigation, Geller says, police reviewed hours of surveillance footage from the Arena and from area businesses but found no images of Morgan. According to the owner of the closest convenience store to John Paul Jones Arena, the 7-Eleven on Ivy Road, it was several days before investigators reviewed her store’s tapes.
“I believe it was Wednesday, October 21,” says 7-Eleven franchise owner Sabiha Raja.
Asked why it took so long, Geller said at a press conference, “It depends when that information might have come in.”
An employee of nearby BB&T bank declined comment on investigators reviewing surveillance at the bank, and the manager of the Cavalier Inn on Emmet Street did not return the Hook’s call.
Since Morgan’s disappearance, police have received approximately 500 tips, Geller says, many of them reports of Morgan sightings after the official timeline ends; but so far, none have been confirmed.
Among several leads police haven’t been able to rule out, says Geller, is a possible sighting of Morgan around 10am on Sunday morning, October 18, at the Sheetz gas station in Orange. An online poster using the name Karen55 on blogs dedicated to Morgan’s disappearance describes seeing a slightly disheveled young woman with long blond hair, dressed in all black, exiting the store and then standing outside near a trash can. Notably, she says online, the young woman’s t-shirt bore the name of the band Pantera— she noticed, she wrote, because her daughter wanted a Pantech Matrix phone and she initially looked closer to see if those were the words.
Reached by phone, Karen55 requested that her full name not be used and says she remains “haunted” by the sight. “I don’t know if it was Morgan,” she says, “but I know she fit the description.” She says the word Pantera was spelled plainly across the black t-shirt and that there were no images accompanying the letters.
Sheetz is a bustling gas station and convenience store in downtown Orange, and on a recent visit a reporter counted no less than 20 surveillance cameras inside and outside the store, including an interior camera trained at the door Karen55 says both she and the Pantera-shirt-wearing woman passed through. A Sheetz manager confirms police reviewed surveillance at the store, and spokesperson Geller says that police dispatched an agent the same day they got that tip. While there was no sign of Morgan on the video police reviewed, Gellar admits they can’t rule it out and are waiting for further information that would confirm that sighting or any others that seem plausible.
“We deal in absolutes,” says Geller. “We need to be sure that what we put out there is 100 percent accurate.”
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Correction: Newspaper delivery person Norma Parson’s name was misspelled once. It has been corrected online.
Former headline: Concerned witnesses: Before hitching, Morgan Harrington caused worry
Story last updated Tuesday, November 17 at 5:04pm: battery cover, purse details, 500 tips called in
Story updated Tuesday, November 17 at 11:02am: Gil Harrington’s response to boots, 7-11 surveillance, Sarah Snead’s interview, Harringtons’ media appearances, Sheetz description
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This sheds more light on Ms. Harrington’s movements after she left the concert hall. I still don’t understand where her friends were. Surely they know more than they are saying or we are being told.
So many people want to help find Morgan. The woman who saw Morgan on Campus , Ms. Parsons is anxious to identify the male she saw with Morgan to the police , but they say there is no photo & you cannot just arrest someone . I did not think that a composite sketch would be too much to ask for. Any person seen with Morgan that night would certainly be a “person of Interest” wouldn’t they?
They would need to be questioned. The police are uncertain if Ms. Parson actually saw Morgan , but Ms.Parson has art training & her reliability as far as facial recognition would be much better than most. Morgan is a beautiful girl & her facial features are unique, she stands out.
If possible sightings of Morgan are not taken more seriously , people with information will be discouraged & not want to have to ” push ” their way into the Police Station to try to get someone to believe them. All of the small leads should be listened to , & acted on quickly. The dots need to be connected on this one , instead it feels like the dots are being erased before the interview even takes place.
I agree with you, Frances. This is the most information that I’ve seen released to date. There are a lot more witnesses mentioned in this article. I would assume each one attributes to a small piece of a very large puzzle. Yes, I would think Ms. Parsons help would be appreciated/needed. If these men are innocent, they should just step forward to clear things up and let it be known where Morgan was headed when they left her. I just hope all these witnesses don’t get too discouraged. From what I am now reading, maybe Ms. Harrington was hitchhiking. It sounds as though she was either very intoxicated or drugged and obviously physically/mentally impaired. Why her friends weren’t keeping a better eye on her is beyond me.
If the super Elite Students had something to do with this, of course the cops won’t question them.
Remember that fire fighter that got stabbed 40 times by a student in self defense, he spent like 2 years in jail. UVA students are royality and the rest of us are just helpless victims.
Takes the paper to release this? Charlottesville cops aren’t to engaged are they?
The article says that the police interviewed the residents in response to the allegations, according to those neighbors. I trust the police here. Not only is this a high profile case but these officers are human and plenty have kids of their own. Using just about every similar past case as an indication, there must be a number of officers pulling unpaid overtime on this case and having a hard time sleeping at night. Despite professionalism, you know there are investigators on this case who are as obsessed or more than all of us watching the case and praying for her recovery. They’re not going to let credible evidence go sliding by.
As a high profile case, though, a lot of people are going to skew events in their minds and unintentionally falsely relate them- and there are also going to be a (much smaller, but still significant) number of sickos looing for attention who just plain make things up. I can’t imagine trying to sort through all of that, but that’s what these investigators are trained to do and experienced at doing.
As for her friends, I’m sure their sharpest critics right now are themselves- and that will be with them until the day they die. But honestly, few kids are going to leave an expensive concert before it starts for a friend who is telling them they’re alright- because few people can imagine something like this actually happening. Not to say that this excuses their lack of action, but if Morgan’s parents are refraining from finger pointing, I’ll do the same.
I do, however, wonder about the people who barred her reentry. That’s policy everywhere, but concert workers should be taught to take some responsibility when this leads to the likely possibility of kids being stuck outside alone with no transportation. They should arrange to call parents, taxi, whatever- or allow a friend to come take care of the ind. and then gain reentry. It sounds like Morgan was possibly being aggressive to them- but of course she was. She was being told she’d lost a 50$ ticket and the concert she’d looked forward to for some time- that would make anyone angry, and should be expected. It would also make you prone to impulsive behavior.
I’m stunned though, as I know we all are, by the dignity and restraint of her parents, when their love and pain is so obvious… it makes the lack of progress in the case just that much more painful for all of us anonymous bystanders, all over the country, following it.
I have offered to assist the Harringtons twice with the investigation, but they don’t appear to be interested. There are certain elements of society that will not talk to law enforcement, as they are not “squeaky clean”… yet members of that group may well be in possession of useful information. Politics comes into play with high profile investigations as much as it does anywehere else.
I’m still willing to assist with the search and exert every ounce of the “Bulldog Persistance” that my company was founded on, but that decision is ultimately up to the Harringtons. As for Karen55, I have spoken with her and feel her sighting needs further investigation.
James Pollock
Bulldog Investigations and Security LLC
DCJS #11-6038
james@bulldogpi.net
If any of these reports are valid, especially the couple purporting to have seen Morgan leaving the arena in the company of 4 males, this raises the question of whether or not she was alone when she attempted re-entry to the arena, or were these individuals waiting around and took advantage of the situation. Hopefully, Morgan will be located soon, and all that is known will be able to become public knowledge and perhaps clear up some of the questions that are leading to rumors, conspiracy and other theories that have no basis in fact.
that is beyond interesting about Mogan kicking that man.
def. goes along with the couple that said they tried to help Morgan
when she fell and they stated she seemed irritated by their offer to help.
as for Norma, the first account i read said she saw Morgan walking down the street. the second said she passed her walking up steps.
now this one says she saw her walking out of a room.
Karen55 first said she only saw the word “PENT” on Morgan’s shirt.
someone on findmorgan.com told her Morgan’s shirt said Pantera
and then Karen said she mispronounced it and she meant “PANT”.
mispronouncing, i understand. but changing what she said she clearly saw……… it quite another.
and i’m pretty sure Karen said she didnt see the entire word on Morgan’s shirt (as stated in this article) only the firt 4 letters which caughter her attention b/c of the phone her daughter wanted, which again, at first was a PENT something or other phone.
also, not only is Morgan not on video at the store, but neither is Karen55.
Interesting -Does it change perspectives ? Could the “commotion” Morgan had at the entrance of JPJA have been with security, as she attempted to re-enter. Commotion , injury , missing patron and no video footage .
I cannot grasp the lack of footage at the entrance of JPJA . I am beginning to feel a mental disorder may be lurking in Morgan’s past . Bi-polar disorder mixed with alcohol can lead to dangerous and irrational behavior . The statements from the guy about Morgan’s aggressive behavior is laying on my mind . Could the friend’s silence be hiding a deeper secret about Morgan .
Could silence be speaking volumes
“We deal in absolutes,” says Geller. “We need to be sure that what we put out there is 100 percent accurate.”
This statement by Geller is absurd in this case .
Dakota
Dakota wrote at 10:32 am: “I am beginning to feel a mental disorder may be lurking in Morgan’s past . Bi-polar disorder mixed with alcohol can lead to dangerous and irrational behavior.”
Yeah, that’s true, but her behavior also sounds totally normal to me for somebody on NO medication or drugs except alcohol. If aggressiveness weren’t a direct side effect of alcohol, we wouldn’t have the stereotype about the “angry drunk.” And you know what this article reminded me of? Back in college, I also kicked a guy at a party once when he said something I didn’t like. It seemed hilarious at the time to both of us, but if he’d been sober, I doubt he would have thought it was funny.
In other words, I don’t think there’s any reason from these new details to assume she was on medication or had a mood disorder or anything. Being denied re-entry to the concert on a cold, wet night would be enough to help turn a happy drunken mood into a mad drunken mood.
Mr. Pollock, what true info would you put out here - so far. Just curious because this seems to sway so many different directions. The one thing that seems to ring true is that she was definitely under the influence of something which now explains a lot more re the irrational behavior of which we are now reading.
Lauren .
Agreed , Alcohol can bring on a wealth of emotions . I have felt from the beginning the Harrington’s , Morgan’s friends and Police have been hiding something with refusal to either not speak to the public or address Morgan’s “condition” on the night in question .
AT this point I hope silence has not hindered the important information potential witnesses could have used to recall what they may have encountered that night .
The Morgan we are looking for from that night has completely changed way to late in the game . Dangerously late in the game .
I am clear on what JPJA would want to keep in the dark about that evening to protect themselves .
I am not clear on what the Harrington’s and Morgan’s friends are hiding .
I am really not clear on what would be worth hiding in exchange for the life of this girl .
Underlying mental disorder is sticking with me, add alcohol and were looking for an entirely different person .
If all that is said by witnesses is true, it’s kind of hard to believe that Morgan’s mother said her daughter is naive & hasn’t been around much. It may be that she was high or intoxicated and her friends don’t want to say she was? Just a totally different picture of what witnesses say and what her mother says.
Amen! I almost feel betrayed. I don’t care if the kid drinks/drugs. That not for me to judge - I was WILD at that age. But, I feel all this info that has come out today could have moved the investigation in a totally different direction. I am also afraid that having mislead so many might have now created a disinterest in searching for Ms. Harrington. i.e., when the story re hitchhiking was released, I told myself no way would she have done that. I thought someone made it up or was hiding something. However, knowing she was so intoxicated/drugged, now makes me think that is probably true.
I have been reading this with interest and I cannot say how much of it is true and which witnesses have it right all I know is I have meditated on it as a Psychic and I see whatever happened to Morgan has also happened to a dark haired girl who be missing from this area or some other area.
Last night as I touched the story and asked questions about Morgan I see her and a woman with long dark hair featured on Missing Persons Posters hanging on an Arena Wall.
I am now surfing to see if I can find another missing woman who might have long dark hair, as this man could be a Hawk who looks for Prey then he makes them disappear much like a Chicken Hawk does who pounces on a chicken in the barnyard as he finds opportunity and takes advantage of it.
When these predators find their prey it can be an innocent child or a woman depending on which their penance is for, they are dangerous and hard to catch because they have no prior connection to their victims.
Anyone aware of a woman with long dark hair missing from the area?
Painfully , I agree Jane
I feel there could of been no greater betrayal to Morgan than to cloud the eye’s of those looking for her .
If this betrayal started where I am feeling it did , I am thankful I do not have to live with the decisions to hide the truth in exchange for the Morgan so many wanted to find .
Why have the police not released the answer to the question: how much did she drink smoke or ingest? This is relevant in that it affects both her judgment and ability to resist. I had assumed one perpetrator for the simple reason that if there were two I would think that the second one would have grabbed the purse and cell phone instead of leaving evidence. Now I think perhaps the purse and cell phone may have been placed there on purpose after a horriffic crime in order to throw police off the scent.
I also think that it is not JPJs responsibility to do anything with an overintoxicated person but lock them out. (or eject them)
This situation should be a lesson to all young women who wander around drunk at concerts the corner and frat parties…. there are sick people who will take advantage of you. The written law may give you rights but unfortunately that same law has emboldened many nut jobs because they know society will coddle them if they get caught. (instead of bashing their head in with a baseball bat like in the old days)
Morgan, is missing, that has not changed. It was reported from very early on that her friends said she was going to look for a ride home, that has not changed. It was reported from very early on (maybe when the time line was released) that Morgan was seen talking with some people in the parking lots, that has not changed. It was reported from very early on that there was no evidence that she talked to anyone else in Charlottesville, that does not seem to have changed unless she did borrow a telephone from someone. Jane, you feel betrayed, why? Do you feel that her parents betrayed you because they portray Morgan as naive and innocent. A parents perception of their children is sometimes far different than the reality. It’s called love. Do you feel betrayed by the people who are just making their stories public or do you feel betrayed by authorities who apparently have reasons for not releasing all information to the public? What have you learned here that sheds any more light on where Morgan might be today? From this story, it sounds like the appropriate authorities have had the information about the 4 males who were seen crossing the street with a Morgan look-alike since either the 18th or 19th, they have known about the reported sightings by the deliverywoman and the customer at Sheetz. It seems they have been investigating, and working to confirm or eliminate some of that information. Other leads and tips very likely are still being investigated. Morgan’s story has aroused much sympathy and interest all across the country, would that sympathy and interest have been as strong if it was stated from the very beginning that she might have been on drugs or intoxicated (still only speculation?) Maybe not. Also, why does it come as such a surprise to anyone that she might have been hitchhiking, after all, she was trying to find a ride back to either Harrisonburg or Roanoke, if not with a friend, then obviously from someone heading in that direction. To me that is very close to the definition of hitchhiking. None of what has been reported should take away from the fact, a young woman is still missing. Regardless of her condition or whether she was hitchhiking, every lead needs to be followed and every piece of information, however minor, needs to be passed along. Maybe the most important piece of information released to-date will be the picture of the necklace.
Regarding the man who reported that Morgan had kicked him when he refused to walk arm in arm with her…
Personally, I know that I have “pretended” that a stranger was my date before when I felt uncomfortable in a situation. After reading this, my initial reaction is that perhaps Morgan was being hassled by a male/males and felt uncomfortable, so she tried to scare them away by pretending that she was there with another man.
quote: “We deal in absolutes,” says Geller. “We need to be sure that what we put out there is 100 percent accurate.”
Accurate is good. But eyewitness identifications and descriptions don’t mean diddly squat most of the time. It wasn’t that long ago a victim described a suspect as 20-ish years old Hispanic male, 5′4″, 140 pounds, black hair and no mustache. A rookie cop obtained 6 photos from DMV records and laid the photos in front of the victim as a “lineup”. All of the photos were of taller, heavier and older white males with gray hair and mustaches. One of them was picked out by the victim and falsely arrested by the cop shoppe. The judge dismissed the charge without the defendant having to utter one word in his own defense. The real suspect is still out there laughing at the cop shoppe’s incompetence and ignorance.
Let’s all hope and pray the Virginia State Police don’t mess this investigation up like the other cop shoppe I am speaking of did in their case.
Moving on, I will say it again…. if two, three or more people were involved in whatever happened to Morgan, the case will eventually be solved. One of them will approach the state police seeking immunity from prosecution if he rats out the other participants. It’s only a matter of time. And it’s going to be quite interesting to see which one steps forward trying to save his own bacon first. When the others least expect it, the cop shoppe will be kicking in their doors late one night and the suspects will then learn their so-called “friend” has turned them in!!
First, I want to acknowledge how tragic this story is. My prayers are with Morgan, her family and friends and I hope this story ends well. The Harrington family’s pain and agony must be overwhelming.
That said, I wanted to state that, for me, from the beginning a troubling angle of this story is what happened at the arena. How did she end up outside? Having not been to this stadium before personally, is it that easy to seek the bathroom and end up out of arena? If so, why wasnt security more sympathetic to the plight of a single young female from out of town seperated from her friends? If there was cell phone contact with the friends inside, why not arrange with security to get the keys to her car back? I cant imagine Morgan or her friends not exhibiting a more tremendous effort to work something out. Maybe they did and it just hasnt been fully publicized.
I know in the excitement of youth often our judgement is off and we make wrong decisions - but I feel we are not getting the entire story.
No, Lannie
I feel maybe her friends have not been forthcoming in all information they had at the time of disappearance. Also, I feel investigators, had they known Morgan’s condition, i.e., really intoxicated/drugged, possible small cut and bleeding from fall, altercation with concert goer…these are things that could have rung someones bell so to speak. Yes, I’m sure the parents would like their daughter portrayed as the perfect young lady but maybe she was no different than a lot of us. I’m just blogging away, trying to pick other people’s brains. No harm intended to anyone.
I am praying daily for Morgan and her family. I understand that in these circumstances we all want to blame the friends, the parents, the victim. We don’t want to think we would be “stupid” enough to get ourselves into a situation that would lead to a catastrophic event. But each and every person reading this knows that at least once in their lives they’ve done something really stupid. But most of us are lucky enough to escape harm.
Please don’t look for reasons to blame Morgan. Whether she was intoxicated or not, she did not deserve to be victimized.
I’m sure the police are following every lead, and will not jeopardize the case to satisfy the concerns of the public, no matter how sincere they might be.
If you want to do something for Morgan and her family, just keep them in your prayers.
Dakota wrote:
“I am really not clear on what would be worth hiding in exchange for the life of this girl.”
I,too, wonder what exactly must happen before people feel they MUST be honest with how they represent themselves.
Dakota, interesting observation about the possible mental illness. It is a known fact that schizophrenia and psychotic breaks most often occur or surface in one’s early 20’s.
Morgan also switched schools during, or at the beginning of her senior year of high school.
I believe that the girl that kicked the guy was the girl “Dee” that got kicked out of the concert who looks like Morgan.
I also believe Morgan went to meet someone and left voluntarily. I don’t believe she was the one trying to get back in. (again probably “Dee”)
Also I wonder who she was texting or on the phone with prior to the concert and possibly right before she left the arena.
I believe they already have their suspect and releasing mis-info to throw him off.
Who is “Dee” and where can I find reference to her?
Dee Spolarics . http://www.whsv.com/home/headlines/66764102.html
I’ll continue to take it as a given that we’re all posting here b/c it’s so horribly painful to us that Morgan is still missing, ie because of our empathy; and that since we’re all really helpess here, there’s a desire to do something to help as well as to control our environment, so this doesn’t happen to -our- loved ones next time. But lets not confuse healthy speculation with unhealthy speculation.
Specifically, let’s not even begin to fall into a trap of victim blaming here. She was 20 and at a concert. I assume she was drinking. Drunk, sober, angel or devil it doesn’t matter to the law at this point and it shouldn’t matter to our empathy. Victimization is victimization, be afraid of yourself if how much you care changes when a victim’s character flaws or just plain humanity becomes visible.
I know you are interested in the drinking/drug angle because it might change motivations. Okay, but let’s be clear about that. And then this: “I am not clear on what the Harrington’s and Morgan’s friends are hiding… what would be worth hiding in exchange for the life of this girl.” Look, I’m sorry, but I question your motivation for going all conspiracy theory, and it is an absurd statement to begin with. What could possibly be the moral obligation of her parents, friends or police to coddle us and our want (not our need) for info? Her friends and family hiding info from the cops is an illogical, as well as a cruel, assumption to make. To speculate that all of her friends that night are so callous and self obsessed as to withhold info from investigators at this point is ludicrous. Even if it was a more serious situation and you’re paranoid about it, you get a lawyer (or the cops get you one) you get immunity, and you relate the info. It wasn’t made public to you? Of course it wasn’t made public to you! What are you going to do, crack the case with it?
The police have a responsibility to find this girl, not address our wants whether they are from empathy, fear, or some ghoulish curiosity. Yes, they should tell us as concerned citizens what they can- w/o infringing on what is likely the early days of a long investigation. We’ll know sooner or later.
I know it’s your right to speculate on meds/psych but I don’t get the relevance or evidence and I really don’t get the need. It doesn’t fit with the girl at findmorgan.com and you don’t need a pre-condition or schizophrenic behavior to get victimized by a monster. I’m sorry if I’m skunking the party here but- it’s not a party.
and thank you Joanie for saying this in 1/4 of the space.
The relevance is that if she was defeinetly very intoxicated then we should absolutely suspect serious foul play. If she was stone cold sober than we shouldmenterain a 20% possibility that she ran off.
Just my opinion.
The other reason is that JPJ has been blasted. If she was 100% sober then she might have some room to complain about making the case for being outside by mistake. If she was wasted then they did the right thing by not letting her back in and endangering other people with her stumbling up to the 300 level seats.
Her being intoxicated does not make anything her fault and no one is judging her for that. We all know kids imbibe. We are seeking context.
Bulldog, I’m sure you didn’t offer your services for free.
I would have turned you down, as well. Now is not the time for you to try and drum up business on others’ pain.
Sean
QUOTE “Specifically, let’s not even begin to fall into a trap of victim blaming ”
Who is doing this Sean ? .
Thank you Terrence. I get that, and I apologize for going overly vehement. I’m deep into research for different essays concerning sex trafficking right now. It sucks and I’m uptight and victim sensitive.
Morgan happened and personalized it. I want just one happy ending. Really really badly.
Dakota, victim blaming as in placing responsibility on the victim. But yes, I apologize to you specifically and unequivocally.
It’s lame to go dogmatic on an open discussion board where people are trying to find ways to come to terms with this horrible, disgusting situation. I’m sorry.
Do you think it is a little odd that Dee happened to have mutual friends with Morgan, and they met up after the concert? Or, did I read it wrong?
All of this gets so overwhelming and confusing. I hate Morgan is missing. She is a young college student and we were all young once…..Yes, we more than likely partied a little, a lot, or too much. We made bad choices and decisions. But, we survived! We do not know anything for sure about Morgan, except that she is a person with feelings, she is someone’s daughter, sister, friend, and she is once of God’s Children.
Sean .
I don’t feel you have any reason to be sorry .
I have to admit I would prefer to hear every absurd thought you may have , painful or not , if it leads to the slightest lead to bring Morgan home safely .
My fear with Morgan’s case . The public packs up and moves on because nobody is talking .
I will take the dogmatic approach if it keeps Morgan’s face in the public view .
It takes a mere spark to start a raging fire .
I must confess , Morgan missing has grabbed me by the heart strings , one theory I will not accept is victimization of a victim , pointless in this situation as their is nothing one could do to deserve what I fear has happened to Morgan . The monster that has done this is 100% responsible for what happened to Morgan .
By all means ….DOGMATIC !
Much success on your reaserch Sean ,
Dakota
She had obviously been drinking, and was belligerent to the people who helped her up inside, the ticket takers outside, kicked and cursed at a guy, and most likely was mad at her friends, and her friends were most likely upset with her drunken behavior. If you have ever been outside of a bar / club / concert where lots of alcohol is ingested, you will see plenty of girls that act JUST like that. I’ve had to deal with my share of normally sweet girls that were belligerent, and had the most ridiculous ideas and requests, such wanting a specific kind of food at 2am or wanting to go to a theme park, etc. In this state, I can see all of her decisions working. A sober person just doesn’t make all those poor choices.
She had obviously been drinking, and was belligerent to the people who helped her up inside, the ticket takers outside, kicked and cursed at a guy, and most likely was mad at her friends, and her friends were most likely upset with her drunken behavior. If you have ever been outside of a bar / club / concert where lots of alcohol is ingested, you will see plenty of girls that act JUST like that. I’ve had to deal with my share of normally sweet girls that were belligerent, and had the most ridiculous ideas and requests, such wanting a specific kind of food at 2am or wanting to go to a theme park, etc and then passing out in the back of the car 15 mins later. In this state, I can see all of her decisions working. A sober person just doesn’t make all those poor choices.
Sorry about the dupe post.
I think if you keep the public in reach - posters, fliers, billboards, media coverage that you might get a break. People forget the smallest of details could be a critical piece of information. If anyone in the concert hall, grounds, parking areas, neighborhood or town saw anything they need to contact a website or someone in law enforcement to make it known.
Dakota,
Thank you for your patience and accepting my apology. In truth, my reaction was not only lame, it was selfish.
Do please, keep up your voice, and thank you for your well wishes.
…Sean
The http://www.findmorgan.com website has threads for many of these topics and the Blink on Crime website is doing an excellent job, especially in calling out theories/ideas that don’t make sense. Hook is doing the best job with the reporting of this crime on a local level, so thank you for that, Hook!
So this is by far the most detail I have seen to date on this whole case, why has it taken so long to hear all of this??? I wonder if the police have missed MANY leads not letting these details out earlier.
Hello- First, Most psychics, only take advantage of the weakened…. That being said, I, to an extent, an able to “get” information… I don’t like to call myself “psychic” though because of the label it brings. I have never charged, or really gone public….except in the rare occasions I have tried helping the Police in cases like this, where I get strong visions, feelings, and words. I did get a lot of information though, whether completely accurate or not, in regards to Morgans disappearance….I would like to post it and get any feedback / comments…… I am not one of those “psychics” who demands they’re right…in fact, many times I have been way off….and then on other occasions, I have gotten everything, down to the last detail correct…. Never-the-less, this is what I “got” and sent to the VA State Police…
Morgan had been drinking and high when she exited the arena. She went outside to actually see if someone was around that she thought might either be (or was going to) meet her there, or working there…..I think she actually talked to this person in the parking lot….And he smooth talked her into going with him instead of back into the concert….He either told him that he’d drive her home or back to the arena before the concert ended so she could catch back up with her friends….She did try to go back in to inform her friends of her new plans and couldn’t get in. He did tell her that she had to be shhhhh about their little “get together” because if his girlfriend found out he’d be dead. But at least one of her friends know the truth and for some reason are not talking. He also told her that a lot of his GF’s friends were there around the concert and if they saw her get into his car, they’d tell her and the arrangement was to meet up near the bridge out of site. This avoids anyone seeing her get into his car. - He drives off, alone….and she walks off alone…..Maybe she did see and talk to some of the BB players I’ve read about, but when she got to that bridge, she was alone. She wasn’t carelessly hitch-hiking…she had an agenda…..with someone she’d seen and possibly talked to before, and felt safe, for the most part. She attempted reentry into the arena to give her friends a heads up and couldn’t. When she (Morgan) left the JPJ lot and was walking, she had her purse with her. Soon after she arrived at the Bridge, the guy she was meeting drove up in a sports car (I want to say a mustang) But it was at least a sporty type looking car…..A male in his 20’s, non-threatening in appearance, rather bold and cocky, not sure if he’s a student on her campus or maybe some kind of worker?? His girlfriend, I believe IS or WAS on Campus. I get the name Asheley or close to that , but an “A” name and another female name of Jena or close to that also. She did not “know” him, but get the feeling she has seen him around and even talked a time or two……I am not sure if this girl smoked pot on a reg. basis, but I “see” it being passed back and forth and he offered her a drink as well both were laced. He pretend to smoked and she was a bit intoxicated and didn’t pay attention. After only a few mins. she was very disorientated…..but she did notice he was heading in the wrong directions and began telling him to just let her out. He told her to shut up etc.etc. She reached for her phone and he knocked it out of her hand, causing it to come apart- which is when I believe the battery fell out. He may have even hit her. Never the less, they ended up at a place that is very wooded and there is also creeks / water / rivers? around……About 10 mins. from the bridge location she was last seen at. I hear the word “Ivy”. I am “thinking” that she carried her purse with her outside, well, because you don’t just leave your purse lying down at a concert…and also, I believe the she did go to the restroom, And “freshened” up while in there. Her phone was in the purse, but her friend had the keys, because my feelings are that her friend drove the car to the concert. Next..
He proceeded to drag her from the car and she put up very little fight- she was raped and killed by a blow to the head. I see her in a wooded type location. I do not see her in water, but that doesn’t mean that she wasn’t in the water and is now on the bank.
When he left, he gathered her phone (but not the battery) and her purse and drove them back to the Arena that she told him she had been at, and he then left. I am not getting his name, but am thinking it may start with a B.
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- This person knew she’d be at the concert and may have even said he was “working” it and that if she got a chance, to come outside and talk to him…While he watched and lurked around….. I don’t know all the details, but do believe that I am in the right directions….. What about the name Ashley or something along those line? Does she have any close friends with that name? If so, I believe that I “got” that name because she knows much more than she is saying.
And again, When he comes back (before the concert is even over) to “drop off” her items, again, he’s alone. I know that this may all seem far fetched, but why wouldn’t he take her things back to the lot? He don’t want them…..He don’t want to dump them on the road…..He want’s it to appear as if she herself, left them there. But this guy isn’t too smart, and WILL get caught, by his own stupidity. In fact, I don’t think he even knows the battery fell out, under his seat……….
Im not crazy- only trying to help make sense out of something that makes absolutely no sense to anyone.
That’s about all I’ve got…. I hope that in some way, it helps to bring a close to this case, Justice for Morgan, Peace to her Family, and JAIL to her attacker!
Thanks for reading!
I think perhaps her purse was stolen from her inside of the concert area..I also believe that she did not sit in her seats…she moved down into the front section to see the band better…perhaps, in this large crowd someone stole her backpack purse, she ran after them..perhaps she had drugs in her purse, credit cards, etc..leaving her to go outside..and at that time she meet someone..telling them, she had no phone, no purse, and needed help..but she asked the wrong person.
I also think that Ms. Parsons story is very important..any woman who delivers papers that time of the morning is going to notice everything around them…I believe she is a strong link, to the disappearance of Morgan.
Jane,
I so agree with you…contact the PTA for all the High Schools within 150 miles, at least..both private and non-private..put flyers out in the gyms and ask parents who DROVE their kids to the concert and picked them up or waited…Did they see anything? It wouldn’t hurt to contact all the small colleges also..In the summer time I drive two and half hours to go to a concert in Western WA…each way…sometimes three hours…sometimes I spend the night..local hotels and motels should be contacted…people come from all over for concerts, Canada and across the USA..Peolpe follow bands..the last time I saw Dave Matthews in WA, there were all ages of folk from all over the USA and Canada…this was a summer event..but for someone young that really does not mean anything.
Stephanie Almaguer, I feel sure your earlier reply, a duplicate of your latest at 6:42 p.m., was removed for a reason. Was it a good idea to post it again?
My apologies if this has already been commented on, but how do we know these witness sightings, mentioned in today’s article, are Morgan and not “Dee.” Seems to me “Dee” who was identified as the girl in the video inside the arena, was also with 3 guys in black including her boyfriend.
It’s interesting to see all of the well-meaning crackpots and rubber-necking amateur sleuths that these types of cases attract.
Stephanie,
Your version of events has Morgan voluntarily leaving the concert that she had, by numerous accounts, been extremely excited about and looking forward to for quite a long time………..
Sorry, but I don’t buy that.
and… “disorientated” is not a word
I didn’t know it was removed. - I have only been trying to post my thoughts on a couple of blogs to get it out there and may have re-posted again. However, don’t put me down or criticize my efforts, please. I work as an Officer for a school district during the day and have 3 children of my own. One of my greatest fears is having one of my own children taken….which is why I have dedicated, what little free time I have, in helping parents and/or LE find missing children. I wrote what I saw - Have a good day and good luck to Morgan’s Family.
Stephanie, I agree with 2 things you have said. 1. Morgan was intoxicated/drugged. 2. She was lured outside. 3.The friends know more.
I think whatever lured her is stronger than what you’ve indicated. I say that because she had been looking forward to this concert for 6 months.
The person who has reported seeing someone resembling Morgan crossing the street said that the girl she saw was in the company of 4 males. In the WHSV story Dee from JMU says that she attended the concert with her boyfriend and 3 other male friends. That article does not say whether or not Dee and her friends left the arena during a time that would have put them on the street during the correct time frame.
Have the police officially stated that there is NO video survelliance of Morgan at the concert ? With all of the games, I can’t keep up.
Stephanie,
Very interesting post. I do not consider myself “psychic” but I have had deja vu a couple of times in my life as well as having had premonitions in dreams a couple of times, which I view now as warnings. Some came true, some did not. In hindsight I wish I would have heeded my dreams more, but I digress as those matters have nothing to do with this case. If I did not have these dream experiences personally I probably would not think much of your post.
I find it very interesting two points in your post, one of them regarding the battery under the seat. I saw on another site (not sure which, maybe facebook?) where a gentleman purportedly with psychic abilities noted something “left behind under the seat” in a car. He is a psychic who autowrites I believe because I remember him posting pictures of his scribbling notes and that was what one of them said.
The second point was regarding someone in an authority capacity that Morgan may have felt comfortable trusting. On the blinkoncrime website there were some postings about regarding certain myspace dialogue and certain myspace profiles that individuals noted seemed to be of a suspicious nature. I looked myself and one of them has raised some concerns in my mind. Perhaps if you have the time you can take a look and see what thoughts come to mind.
I am still praying for Morgan and her safe return to her family, but sadly your scenario does not seem entirely implausible. This is an infuriating case for myself personally. I do not know Morgan but I empathize as a fellow Metallica fan and a decent human being. Whomever could have hurt or taken her deserves punishment. Justice for Morgan, and Justice for All!
Courteney Stuart, the reporter of this article, I congratulate you on excellent investigative journalism, superb reporting, and excellent writing. Slop job reporting has become so commonplace that it is almost shocking to read such a well-done article. Submit your articles for Pulitzer Prizes and any other writing awards. I am also thrilled that The Hook allows decent journalism.
Keep at it. You are in the right profession.
Yes, Courteney is great!
I was once a good looking blonde college student (about 100 years ago!) and I went to alot of concerts…. some I was very excited to see. But I can tell you, the prospect of some good looking, smooth talking guy would trump any band. (It’s so unfortunate that wisdom usual only comes with age). Maybe she went outside to meet up with someone - she did leave between acts - because she didn’t REALIZE she wasn’t going to be able to get back in! The Police have not released any info from the sec. guards they interviewed - they may NOT have told her she wasn’t going to be able to get back in. Then she’s out there totally pissed, calls her friends, friend probably say they aren’t bring her keys to her bc then they won’t have ride, and then she’s out there vulnerable.
Also, I don’t think it’s necessary for us to speculate on her mental health. I could easily see that she was probably drunk before, thinking she’s looking hot (bc she was), and then, when she didn’t get her way back in JPJ, when the guy she kicked rejected her, she was pissed! Haven’t we all felt angry at some rejection - esp when drunk.
As to the relevance of her intoxication, one would think that if she were sober : Perhaps if some stranger/half-stranger stopped to give her a ride she would have said no if sober - then if forced inside she would have possibly made a scene for someone to notice and report. If she were drunk her guard is obviously let down maybe more willing to take a chance - wouldn’t make that much of a scene.
I don’t know where I’m going with this except to say I really really really hope whoever was behind this was someone she knew. To think that it’s a “predator” scares the hell out of me.
I think about this poor girl constantly.
None of these purported witnesses saw her consume anything; nor has that been reported by her friends. There is no mention of what she had for dinner, what she had for lunch, or what she had at the arena. If she did consume alcohol that night, it is entirely plausible that the beer vendors inside overserved her, which would make the fact that the JPJ staff locked her out of the arena on a cold misty night, that much more deplorable. Stop blaming the victim and start focusing on why UVA has made no statement and has not announced any adjustments to their negligent practices.
Be careful not to jump to conclusions based on a few statements given to a news reporter. I am more inclined to focus on the official word of Law Enforcement, which states that the last people to see Morgan Harrington were two basketball players in a secluded knoll where their cars were parked. The only person who could comment on THEIR condition that night is missing.
St.Angry- THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR POST!!!!! I will tell you, once I started realizing that I could see, hear, & feel things that others either couldn’t, or wouldn’t…..I have not been very eager to share that because of the label and etc…etc…that can come with it. I have always just pretty much kept it to myself, family and close friends…..until recently when I decided I would give it a shot at trying to help families of missing children and try to make some good use of it. But after the post I received today on how ridiculous my ideas were (and they weren’t ideas) and how I misspelled or used a word inappropriately, I have decided that perhaps I should find another way to put my abilities to good use. Even in my daytime job, I have an Oath and commitment to serve and protect the School, Staff and Students. Why would I ever try to say something or BS anyone over something as personal and heartbreaking as this is. Again, I do thank you and wish you well.
The following is taken directly from the Hook story above. “According to several sources, members of UVA’s men’s basketball team were among the last to see Harrington in the grassy, tree-shrouded parking area before she was seen with her thumb out, hitching a ride on the bridge.” I ask, where does it say that 2 members of the team were the last to see her? Comments are fine, but let’s aim for accuracy.
Stephanie
I certainly would be interested in your post. There is no reason to not believe what you have written. I also have respect for anyone who has this gift. Thank you for sharing this information. I apologize on behalf of others who choose to blow off what they don’t understand/believe.
I am so sad to hear about this young girl and what has happened to her. I am sure her parents, friends, and family are emotionally crushed. I would be, to not know where my daughter is and what has happened. God Bless them in this time of hurt. I am just so confused about all of this,especially the time line of the events. I wonder about the whole being hurt before she left the Arena and why she would leave the Arena without her ticket, considering most people know they can not reenter a concert without it. Why would she have done that? I wonder if her friends are being completely truthful about the events that took place that evening? Why would a young girl of her age be hitch hiking in an area she is not familiar with? Her parents even said that was not in her nature. I am praying for this family and Morgan. God Bless and watch over Morgan.
Jane, Again, Thanks for the vote of confidence. I don’t claim I am right on this and the worse part is, if I am off, I will only be criticized more……However, I had rather be wrong and her found alive then right on this one. I think that my post was just too graphic and not what readers want to read and really apologize for that. I originally posted at like 2am…..I had posted for the Police the similar post several days ago, knowing that it wouldn’t go public and cause me ridicule…..and it took several days for me to get my nerve up to post on blogs for others to read. I didn’t know it had been removed from this blog nor did I realize I was posting again on the same blog. I had just wanted to post it out there and maybe it would trigger someones memory? On another blog, it was to me that another psychic, I can’t remember where she said she saw it, posted VERY similar facts as I did, including the battery under the attackers seat, etc….Because I did re post on this site by accident, it may still be here, I am not sure…..it is several post up…..If you can’t find it due to it being removed again, I will let you know another blog it is posted on. Thanks for your post.
Stephanie Almaguer, I wish that you would talk to Art Harris.com
about Haleigh Cummings.
I enjoyed reading your blog. Hope they find the evil person that did this. He’s a serial killer, and will strick again if not caught.
Who is Art Harris? As I said, I am not very “public” in this area. I will check out the site, for sure. I do feel as though this person has done similar acts in the past….but honestly, I do believe that this was his first murder. I think that it started out as date raping with drugs and it just wasn’t enough this time….or perhaps, the others had no idea who he was and Morgan had actually seen and talked to him before and could identify him if left alive…. I will check out the Art website ASAP. Thank you.
Do u know Phil Jordan? He’s a great psychic…
Some people, imo, do have this gift. Very few, but some.
Francis, ArtHarris.com is his blog. He is on Nancy Grace alot. He wuld like to get Phil Jordon to help…or any good psychic. Haleigh Cummings needs to be found badly. I hope that u will use your gift to help. I wish u the very best, and think it’s terrific that u r useing this gift as a way to help. God’s Blessings to u
I spent about an hour on the “Blink on Crime” tonight. Wow, that’s a very active website. It appears to me that the authorities are closer than we think. Looks as though they are very focused on her circle of friends.
Why do people persist in believing in magical thinking?
Hey, I am psychic, too. For real. My readings:
Haleigh Cummings was taken by the absconded sexual predator and he drove up north with her. He has her as his daughter and they are both doing just fine.
Morgan Harrington got into a white pick-up truck, possibly with a winch on the back of it. It was driven by a white man with sandy brown hair, possibly named Dan. They are also doing fine.
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The missing of Morgan is not a joke by no means. I wish that someone could predict where she is, therefore all missing people could be found before it is too late. I hope Morgan is alive and doing well!
How come “psychics” don’t get all worked up about the millions of other crimes that happen every year? For some reason blondes seem to send out a strong “message” I guess.
I’m wondering how many of these “psychics” called up the FBI before he got caught to say they saw Bernie Madoff filling his pockets with billions of dollars of other people’s money. You’d think that would be sending some psychic signals out too eh?
There really ought to be a law that anyone who calls the police with a “psychic” tip on an active case do mandatory jail time for interfering with an investigation. Who needs that sort of BS added to the already difficult burden of sorting through real evidence and tips that may be reliable.
Aaahhh, Cookie Jar, you are oh so wrong. As a psychic, I follow a very stringent code of ethics and law. The FBI knows accurate and useful psychics exist — though are a rarity. I happen to be an accurate and useful psychic. I am pleased with my gift.
Any given psychic does not know about everything or everything about any given thing. I rarely offer help, because I think things usually work themselves out. I have not offered any help in this case, but could not resist since I read the above postings, which I know are inaccurate.
The little snips you make show you just don’t understand how this skill works. That’s okay. It is a gift like intelligence, and we don’t all have it. I do.
The FBI knows accurate and useful psychics exist
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Right. What is it like to live in Fantasy Land?
(Good grief, let’s get off the psychic readings and deal with reality and facts).
I’ve read on several sites, e.g, this one and Blink on Crime, that many think the purse and phone were placed in the RV area after the fact. Why on earth would the abductor(s)/perp return to the spot and place her purse - seems a little risky to me.
I believe th RV area is where she was taken. The strap on her purse was ripped or so I read. This leads me one conclusion - she was attacked THERE. Now perhaps, she ran from her attacker and ran to the bridge and tried to hitch a ride from someone, but that seems unlikely to me.
West Berkeley — Your own ignorance of fact does not mean it is not fact.
SmilingGenie, Very well put, and I pray that what I saw is wrong- and yours correct. I didn’t ask for this gift, and don’t know why I have it….which is why I have always kept it to myself, for the most part. I didn’t just pick Morgan Harrington because she is blond either…..I have also picked up on and left my “impressions” to other Police re: missing children, 2 small black boys, one Hispanic female. I actually helped, for the 1st time a NJ Detective who was given my name by another Psychic….I gave him very detailed directions to where I thought the women they were looking for was….(and I have never been to NJ) I told him how and where to find her….He believed me, followed my directions, and found exactly what I had sent him on….Yet, it wasn’t the girl they were hunting for, but another that had been unsolved. I can’t explain exactly and how and why I get what I get, but I do. I can only relay that to the best of my knowledge. As I said, I too work as an Officer, but for the School District and would never intentionally mislead anyone on anything as important as this. Have a good night-
From Brill’s Content:
“These guys don’t solve cases, and the media consistently gets it wrong,” says Michael Corn, an investigative producer for Inside Edition who produced a story last May debunking psychic detectives. Moreover, the FBI and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children maintain that to their knowledge, psychic detectives have never helped solve a single missing-person case.
“Zero. They go on TV and I see how things go and what they claim but no, zero,” says FBI agent Chris Whitcomb. “They may be remarkable in other ways, but the FBI does not use them.”
Never the less, I see no harm in posting what I believed to pick up on. I think the main objective here is to help locate an innocent, probable victim of some sort….correct. Any lead, big~small~by a psychic~ or a witness, can’t hurt…Not when it isn’t used to be hurtful. I will not defend my stance on this any longer, for I didn’t believe that this blog was to argue, accuse or ridicule…..And that is not my style. Good night.
First kudos to Courteney Stuart for her reporting, this was an excellent article and you brought some information to light that I had not heard of yet. Keep up the investigative reporting!
Secondly you are very welcome Stephanie! I can empathize with not wanting to be labelled, but please do not stop using your gifts because of the disparaging comments of the unintitive. You never know what kind of effect your visions may have. Kudos to you for attempting to help the families of the lost! Quick question, do your visions come in dreams? All of mine have, but I believe everyone is different and also that everyone has some psychic abilities. However most either disregard them as coincidence or inner conscious thoughts or just totally ignore these messages or feelings.
In response to comments about your post, I can see how a “worker” would have enticed Morgan outside by offering to get her backstage or restricted access and telling Morgan is must be secret, then to tell her friends she was going to the restroom and then to come out and meet him between acts. I read on article (link from findmorgan site I believe) where a fellow from NJ saw Morgan & co. arrive and stated Morgan hopped out while her friends parked the car. Perhaps this is when the “worker” saw her and thought she was either solo or not in a close way with her friends and then planted the seed of temptation with such an offer. As far as trying to get back in perhaps Morgan had second thoughts after meeting the perp outside, specifically after he drove off in his car. The story of perp’s g/f or g/f’s friends at the show or perhaps saying they needed to go to another area in his car for special/restricted access or stating he was worried about coworkers seeing them could explain why Morgan walked off alone to meet the perp. If Morgan was already buzzed it would have lowered her inhibitions specifically interacting with or trusting someone she barely knew. Furthermore if booze/joint were offered in perps car and Morgan was already buzzed it may have made her less cognizant of perp not partaking and also of perp not taking her back to the concert until it was too late.
Interestingly I saw an article linked on another site regarding a young man who came into a nearby pub in a huff, asking for directions. The witness said the pub was closed or closing and the male ran out abruptly and the witness noted the behaviour as odd. Could this have been the perp in a panic after realizing what he had done?
Regarding the possible sightings I think they are interesting but I don’t know how many of them are accurate. For example there was at least one female who apparently looked very similar to Morgan at the show and in the parking lot. Additionally I saw a video link posted on the findmorgan site from the “meet and greet” from the show the following night. There is a female in the background that bears resemblence to Morgan, but I do not think it was her.
Being a huge Metallica fan myself and knowing how incredible and energetic their shows are I can say with certainty that I would not leave any venue before they hit the stage unless there was an emergency. Tricking Morgan is the only way I can make sense of the perp getting her to leave.
I don’t know if the answers will ever be found out, but I continue to pray for Morgan and her family, and for justice. I believe in the power of prayer, but even if you are not a spiritual person please take a minute to say a prayer for her and for them, and for the investigators to bring this perp or perps from the frayed ends of sanity to face lady justice.
Berkeley Flats: The public, including TV producers, is not told about it. And that includes you. To my knowledge, there are about 5 of us in the entire US who are known to have psychic skill that has been developed to be useful/ accurate. And we don’t go on TV and talk about it. We don’t put on public displays. We are not on talk shows. We don’t have websites. We do not “offer” our services to the general public. We are anomalies, but we exist. Just as some people can run sub-2 minute miles and most cannot, some of us can do this.
There is a lot of information in that report that I haven’t heard anywhere and I have been following this pretty closely. Blood on the chin inside and outside the arena? And the commotion outside the arena story? And the four young men story? What?! It sounds like MAYBE she was on drugs, or buzzed from beer, and had an accident inside the concert arena (probably fell down some stairs, I’ve nearly done that a few times at concerts without any drugs or alcohol), and then took a wrong turn out of the arena. This happens. Sometimes lines and crowds move fast. If you are buzzed, or not paying attention, you can certainly take a wrong turn. Her behavior outside the concert (if that is really her) suggests drugs and or desperation. Possibly buzzed, and looking for a way home. Sounds like she trusted the wrong person. Some of the above stories suggest (maybe) she was willing to party and/or hang out with some people for a ride home. But who knows. It would be helpful if her “FRIENDS” would come forth and clue in the parents and law enforcement as to her REAL character, attitudes, involvements, etc., things her parents might not know.
As a fellow Metaler and concert goer, I hope she is found safely. Its bad whenever something like this happens, but I know a lot of Metalers like myself who see this and feel bad about this in particular. Its one of us. And it could easily have been one of our friends. I hope people will at least learn form this, and learn to watch each others back a little bit more.
This article doesn’t even tell any facts. It’s good to get a time-line and know what happened if people are telling the truth but the first part of this article about that 44-year-old man does not sound like what Morgan would do at all. I went to school with Morgan and knew her personally and know that is not her personality.
“To my knowledge, there are about 5 of us in the entire US who are known to have psychic skill that has been developed to be useful/ accurate.”
“Just as some people can run sub-2 minute miles and most cannot, some of us can do this.”
Hilarious, a “psychic” who doesn’t even know how many psychics there are or that NO ONE runs 2 minute miles!!! Why didn’t you psychically check google on the latter one at least? And what? You’re telling us that someone thinks you and a small handful of other people have some fantastic and super rare psychic ability and hasn’t put you all together at the same time to study you as a group or have you work on something really important together?
Yes indeed, your “skills” are exactly like those of 2 minute mile runners, they exist only in your dreams. Please just stay out of the way and let people with real skills and training do their jobs.
Why would anyone on here lash out at Stephanie? She’s entitled to posting her thoughts just like we are. Just suppose what she is seeing/hearing is actually of help? You may not believe, but some others do.
Just as some people can run sub-2 minute miles and most cannot, some of us can do this.
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Ha, ha, ha! Fantasy Land.
SmilingGenie, you should be using your amazing “gifts” to help the U.Va. track coach identify the mythical people who can run sub-two minute miles. It would be just as productive as the use of psychics in criminal investigations.
Oh, and I always love when Americans steadfastly proclaim their right to say the most mindless things. Isn’t that right guaranteed in the Constitution?
First off I hope for a happy end to this nightmare for the parents. Now for my comment. Why did the friends not come out to get her? Its a concert! Even in my early twenties I would have left a concert if one of my friends needed help. Now I know Charlottesville isn’t as shady as downtown Richmond or someother large city, but it still has a criminal element that tends to be ignored when living in a small town. The friends may know more then they are letting on to, and are just to scared to say anything. Or maybe both her and her friends just thought that nothing bad could happen to her in Charlottesville. When that happened sadly something did.
I hope and pray for her safe return.
I think in the interest of stopping speculation and outright and veiled accusations, maybe more information should be provided about the basketball players who saw a female identified as Morgan in the RV lot. After all, these young men do not have the advantage that some have of asking not to be identified. There are a limited number of players on the basketball team. The name of the 2, 3 or 4 or more players do necessarily need to be released, but how many were in the lot? Were they using the U-Hall facility that night either for practice or working-out or were they simply using the lot to park their car(s) rather than the U-Hall lot because of the concert? Did they come forward with the information, or were they brought to the attention of law enforcement by other people who saw then in the lot that night? Most importantly, were they the ones who reported seeing someone who looked like Morgan hitchhiking on the bridge after she was in the RV lot, or were these reports from other individuals? If these young men aren’t considered suspects in her disappearance, they shouldn’t have to live under a shadow of suspicion cast by amateur cops. Even if questions posed here aren’t answered, a statement should be made if they are considered not to have any involvement. Apparently, from what I have read, authorities have made a statement that the unnamed male who attended the concert with Morgan is not considered to be in anyway involved. Comments such as posted here about people who might only be witnesses providing information (one particularly offensive and since removed)could cause others to hesitate to become involved, either with information about Morgan’s disappearance or in other incidents where information is solicited from the public.
correction to above, meant to write don’t necessarily need to be released….
Her state of mind was obviously altered. If she was drunk enough, four young men “looking for a good time” could easily have taken advantage of the situation. Also, she could have had alcohol poisoning, and become unconscious or other. Not wanting to get caught, or get in trouble the young men would have left her somewhere, or disposed of her. Campus students should look for a group of four male students who routinely cut up and possibly look suspicious. According to another report, a woman who saw these men said one of the men had obviously very curly hair. How difficult would it be for you students at Virginia Tech to look for such a group of four (one with curly hair). Possibly you even already know this group. Do the right thing for Morgan’s parents. Maybe something truly awful has happened to Morgan, but if they never know, they can never find peace and move on with their lives. If you are one of the four and you are living with the guilt, then turn yourself in if you know or did something to Morgan. You would come out looking a whole lot less like a jerk, than if you get caught first. This person or persons will get caught. There are too many out there looking for her.
Kat, I know what you are trying to say, but if someone did something to Morgan, “jerk” is not the word. If there is anyone who has knowledge of what happened, keep in mind the terms accessory before or after the fact. If you know something, come forward. I’m no legal expert, not by a long shot, but I would think you have a much better chance of receiving a lesser sentence or perhaps even immunity if you come forward voluntarily. If you know Morgan and care for her, and are aware that she left voluntarily (seems very unlikely, but who knows for sure) consider, are you really doing her a favor? Life is not that easy under the best of conditions, but what would it be like for a 20 year old, constantly having to hide her identity.
SERIOUSLY PEOPLE!? YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW MORGAN! Quit jumping to your damn conclusions! I grew up with her brother Alex and their family. And the “9″ friends that they refer to, yes, I know them very well also. So don’t go judging the situation and jumping to conclusions unless you KNOW HER! Mental illness? What the hell!? There is nothing wrong with Morgan! I mean jeez! Come on people.
HooFan, I’m curious, why at the end do you say “what would it be like for a 20 year old, constantly having to hide “her” identity? Who are you referring to, Morgan? Why are you sensitive to the word “jerk”? Also, I’m from another state. I do not know Morgan or anyone from Virginia Tech for that matter. I’m merely a person who is praying for her, and offering my best advice for the “accessories” if they were to even be reading this. Why do other commentors keep jumping down other commentors throats when everyone has Morgan’s best interest at heart, know her or not? Everyone is just expressing their opinion. I would rather not have someone reword what I say, but instead have their own original comment.
great job courteney ! keep digging.
If we are adding the UVA basketball team members to the list, has someone showed Ms. Parsons a photo of the three white male basketball players to see if she recognizes them? She wants something to identify with. I’m not trying to point the finger. It’s just a thought. They say they witnessed her through friends, but they have not come forward to comment? Maybe even figure out who was getting married there and who the guests were? Surely the police have already investigated this. I’m no detective and I can come up with it.
Don’t be so sure, Kat. To borrow another commenter’s phrase: “the fox is guarding the henhouse” on this one. How can you have objectivity when the UVA police are investigating the UVA basketball team? Might I add that the latter pays the salary of the former. My sense is that if you are able to sleuth the names and give them to the police, maybe then someone will at least write it down. If anyone wants an investigation in this case, they’ll have to do it themselves.
Quote: “SmilingGenie November 15th, 2009 | 11:10 pm
Hey, I am psychic, too. For real. My readings:
Haleigh Cummings was taken by the absconded sexual predator and he drove up north with her. He has her as his daughter and they are both doing just fine.
Morgan Harrington got into a white pick-up truck, possibly with a winch on the back of it. It was driven by a white man with sandy brown hair, possibly named Dan. They are also doing fine.”
Oh really? Both are being held against their will for the apparent perverted use of a sexual predator….. but they are doing “just fine”…. *eye rolling*
I hope you are being facetious.
Jane, St.Anger, and CookieJar:
My comments will be “run together” responding to each of your comments…..First, I am not going to quit using my abilities, I will just be more careful in the future where and when they are used. I couldn’t stop, even if I wanted….It’s just there.
2nd- Saying that there are only 5 people in the US who have psychic abilities, but keep it to themself is absurd… First, if they are keeping it to themself - then how would you know there are only 5? Never~the~less, that comment and any other’s putting down or making fun of someone for ANY reason, just shows lack of character and isn’t worth commenting on…(but I did)
and 3rd- Please, let’s remember what the blog is for in the first place…..
Good people (and I do hope that you are all well-intentioned) First, and last, let’s keep these posts about trying to find Morgan OK? Everyone is entitled to their own views but at this point it seems as though a majority of these posts are about people talking about themselves without even bothering to get the facts correct. Fact, Morgan is missing. Fact she went to the concert with friends and her roommate. FACT the police have talked to her roommate and her friends. At this point presenting yourself on a blog as a incredibly talented investigator or any other type of missing person expert is a waste of resources. Contact the police with your observations.
Morgan is still missing. That is the important thing. Your opinion of your abilities isn’t.
Kat, I believe you misunderstood what I wrote. I’m not sensitive to the word jerk. If Morgan has been harmed by someone, I would use a much stronger word than jerk. As for hiding her identity. You should also notice that I said I do not think it is likely that Morgan left on her own. I wish that were the case, but it would seem that all evidence points in the other direction. Since no one knows for sure what happened to her, that still exists as a possibility, however remote. IF the best case scenario should happen that she left on her own, then if anyone knows that she did, it should be realized, her life will not be easy, no matter whether or not she wanted to just walked away. Like you, the main thing I wanted people to take from my post is that if you know anything about what happened, come forward. Don’t try to protect anyone, no matter where the road might lead.
Rob, I could accept your premise of the fox guarding the hen house if the only law enforcement agency investigating were the University Police Department. I wouldn’t agree but I would accept that it might not be a good idea. In addition, the Charlottesville Police Department, the Albemarle County Police Department, the Virginia State Police, and there are even reports that the FBI are involved, which I think is sop if there’s evidence or suspicion that a kidnapping has occurred across state lines. This shouldn’t be about suspecting that different LE agencies are trying to protect anyone, but it also shouldn’t be used as a reason to throw out what could very well be baseless allegations either against a group of young men or an entire police department. If there is even any hint that people who saw her that night are involved, be it basketball players or anyone else, then all law enforcement agencies have a duty and responsibility to investigate these individuals. Just because we haven’t been told every move of LE does not mean they are not doing everything they can to find Morgan. If all of us posting here are so concerned about this young woman, then I believe that people sworn to look for her are more concerned. As long as this case is not solved, the very real possibility exits that it could happen again to another young woman either here, somewhere else in Virginia or even another state.
Lannie, you make a good point. In my experience, the local police are not very effective. I hope the VASP does what they are paid for. We, the community, form police departments to enforce the law. In this case, that means finding the person(s) responsible for Ms. Harrington’s disappearance, and hopefully finding Ms. Harrington herself. So far there has been no arrest and there is no sign of Harrington. As it is the police department’s job to rectify this, I think it is appropriate to ask why they have not made an arrest. As a concerned citizen who pays taxes, I expect results from our law enforcement professionals.
You know what’s interesting about “psychic detectives”? Apparently, one of the most famous ones lives in the Charlottesville area:
“When asked about working with Noreen Renier who lives just a few miles outside of Charlottesville Virginia, Lieutenant J.W. Gibson of the Charlottesville Police Department stated concerning the usefulness of psychics: “I would recommend police departments depend on investigations and scientific investigations—I’ll leave it at that.”
agree Rob.
now IS the time to question authority.
we had three different *state agencies screw up the investigation
into my daughter’s death- and it was not nearly as complicated
as Morgan’s case.
*South Carolina
Cat, I agree- As I noted in my last post….
I start my morning off by checking my email and I find over 50 from this site. I open them one by one hoping that there will be some profound news about Morgan and she has either been found dead or alive. But, most of all I read is people posting arguments between each other. Please, exchange email addresses and have your arguments privately. We do not care what you think about another person. We do not care who has what gift. We do not care about how many whatevers are in the world. All we care about is information and exchanging thoughts about Morgan and her family and friends. If someone thinks they have information about her let them post it. If it is true and helps, good. If it is not true ignore it and ignore them. But, remember that you may never know what is true and what is not. Keep This Site Open For Morgan!
Kathy, with such a large community of readers, I doubt that every post is going to fit in perfectly with your personal preferences. Set up a filter on your email if you don’t want to read other people’s comments. This site already has a moderator, and they believe in free speech.
I believe in free speech and I certainly believe in the discussion of Morgan. But, the arguing over who is psychic and who is not is ridiculous!
I do have filters, but unfortunately it does not filter people who just want to argue or people who just want to make a smart comment to someone that is just trying to keep the focus where it should be.
Probably not a personal preference. Probably shared by many readers.
Have a good day, Sir.
Kathy, I agree with you. I could care less about all this psychic talk. I’m more interested in knowing what Harrington’s interaction with the UVA bball players was. But what can you do? Everyone has a voice.
I’m not quite sure how I feel about psychics or how much merit should be given to them. That being said, I’ve also has strage premonitions that have in past proved to be accurate. To the other Stephanie.. I also see Morgan near water.. I keep dreaming of her muddy, no tights on, screaming, before being struck from behind. I dismiss these kinds of thoughts as having watched to much TV as a child, however when I read your initial post it gave me chills. I don’t claim to have any kind of gift.. and I sincerly hope what you’re seeing and what I’m seeing is wrong and that’s she’s found soon.
I do not care if the psychics post. I personally believe that God does give people gifts. But, I am aware of the Psychic Wannabes and it is, in my opinion, pretty darn low to post fake crap. Most people with this gift are not prone to rattling off in blogs and they normally do not argue with people. So, they should be ignored.
Knowing the interaction with the players undoubtedly is not going to be privy to the public. Atleast, no time soon, it seems.
I would be more interested in her friends and the male whose identity is being hidden. I just cannot imagine a girl leaving all her friends to go to the bathroom. Most girls go together or in pairs. I find it hard to believe that a good friend would just tell her to go on and find a way home when she called. This does not usually happen amongst girlfriends. I truly think that there is more to this than is being said. If Morgan had plans with someone outside of the arena or inside the arena, one of the close friends would know all about it. That, in my opinion, is how girls work. I hope that I am wrong, though. This would be a terrible thing to have to live with.
I just pray for come closure to come about for the family. If it was my daughter missing I would have to know what happened, know if she is dead or alive. It would drive me crazy to have to just let my mind wander. A wandering mind can be so horrible!
My two year old grandson drowned six years ago in NC at some peoples home. We were told two different things about how he got out of the house unsupervised. Our lawyer told us that we would drive ourselves crazy over this and that we would never know what actually happened. It is a horrible way to live! No matter how many years pass there are still times that you have to envision that little boy in the pool and nobody around. Your mind goes over and over the two conflicting stories and you are just haunted. Losing a child is the most devastating thing that can happen to you.
My heart aches for Morgan’s family.
…Really don’t have a problem with psychics. My problem is with LE. Why is this information being put out there now ? I’m sick of the misinformation and games on thier part. If they handled this investigation appropriately, there would be no door open for the psychics….
Stephanie- I hope that I am wrong also- And I have no desire “to prove” my ability- my only argument has been that I didn’t want to be put down or ridiculed for only trying to help. That is what this site is for, correct? That being said, I would like to try and explain how I get information and what lead me post what I did, where I did….. First, they don’t come from dreams. I usually don’t even remember my dreams. I discovered some time ago that for some reason, I was able to communicate with those who have passed away. Not like, sitting and talking to them, but it’s as if I could feel what they felt, “hear” what they had to say, and see what they wanted to show. I do not call that a psychic. I kept this to myself for a long time (well, myself, family, and friends) But the more it got out (by family and friends, who were amazed at the things I could tell them and knew about those that have passed away- that I’d never met before) the more I was asked by mere acquaintances if I could contact their grandmother, or daughter, etc….Most of the time, I was hesitant to do so, but usually I would. However, when someone would start asking me things like, “When will I get married” and stuff like that, I wouldn’t have a clue and who am I to answer such questions re: the future anyhow. Therefore, I came to realize, that when I began getting info. on a particular person or subject that I was concentrating on, it was because death was involved. Does that make sense?
Anyway, as I stated…….I decided to try and see if I could put this to use for the greater good and see how it would go….and believe me, I was very hesitant. But knew in my heart, that what I would be doing was for nothing more than to TRY and help…..I decided on giving it a shot on trying to help locate Missing Children…….Unfortunately, when children go missing, 9 times out of 10 - They will be found dead. As I stated in my original post, “One of my greatest fears is my children being missing”
I do believe the devastation from that would be more than I could handle. And dead or alive, I had rather know then be in the dark. I also indicated that I actually work full time as an Officer for a School District and am around teens all day…….I am dedicated to serving and protecting and would NEVER intentionally give out the wrong or misleading information regarding anyone, on purpose.
That being said, I decided to just go to the Missing and Exploited Childrens website and start there….which is where I found Morgans missing persons poster. It was one of the first ones I saw and I was drawn to it, along with 3 others I have been working on. I simply printed a few of the missing childrens “posters” and concentrated on only one missing child, including Morgan, one day at a time. I investigated nothing, googled nothing, etc….etc….(I didn’t want anything I may read or see to enter or jade my thoughts) until I had completed my “reading” in full. The other’s I only sent my information to the Police Department handling the cases. But with Morgan’s, I saw all the blogs and just all the un-answered questions, and persons who really cared, etc…and against my better judgment, after emailing my info. to the VA State Police, decided to post on a couple of blogs. If Morgan wasn’t dead, I do not believe I would have picked up on anything at all. HOWEVER, that being said………..I did, ONE time, have a Detective from NJ get my name and number from another women who actually does this kind of stuff for a living (not missing persons, but readings) He was having a difficult time locating a missing college student and was open to anything at that point. I gave him all the info. I could get on the case, including directions to where I could see the girls body, wrapped up in what looked like a carpet, etc..etc… Anyway, long story short….directions were followed (and I have never been to NJ……or even 1 state further away from my home state for that matter) and what I described to him was found, BUT, it wasn’t the missing college student he was searching for, but the body of another women. Why that happened, I don’t know. Maybe his missing student isn’t dead, but this women came through instead -to be finally found. Yes, I know it sound crazy and I can’t explain how or why I can get what I get.
But I will tell you, I hope and pray from the bottom of my heart, that Morgan is found alive and well and myself called a fraud or fake, rather than have to have her parents go through anymore pain and suffering by having to identify her remains.
All I ask, is please do not put me down for trying. Whether you believe in what I can do, or you don’t believe, you can at least believe that I am only trying to help, as everyone else is. Thanks-
I have to say- I just read a post by Morgan’s mother on a discussion board and the overwhelming grief I could feel in her every word made me sick to my stomach. I honestly believed that by posting my “psychic” belief in what I “got” in regards to Morgans disappearance, would perhaps be helpful in bringing justice. I can not simply give up on doing something that could possibly help find a missing child and put the “bad man” in jail, but I can promise you this, from today forward, unless I am specifically asked to do so, my version of any further events or cases, will be reserved for LE. I sincerely apologize for anyone I may have offended. I pray for a happy ending.
Stephanie, you’re full of it :)
Rob, to each there own- Judge less be judged. At this point, I am over any comments you or anyone else have to say about me, or anyone else like me. What I do has to do with believing in something bigger than you or I. The same way many of us believe in God. I became an Officer for the same reasons, basically. Believing that I could help make a difference…and I know that I have or I wouldn’t continue. I honestly believe, what comes around, goes around….Whether it be our action or our words. I know and believe in everything I say and do and hold very high moral standards. I hope that you can say the same. I have been extremely honest in each post, and very patient with the criticism. From what I can tell, most on here have stuck to giving advise and comments on they believe may have happened to Morgan, but after a review of your postings, you just seem to want comment or criticize. I can guarantee that the suspect in this case is keeping tabs also…..probably someone like you, criticizing me….and that’s not a psychic statement,but a COP statement- Hummmmm…?
Re: Noreen Renier
A number of years ago I attended a talk given by Ms. Renier at UVa.
Picking random people from the audience, she proved to have an uncanny ability to know specific things related to that person.
I, and those with me, came away quite impressed with her abilities.
(At the time, we lived in the graduate student housing immediately diagonal to U-Hall and across from the track field, before JPJ Arena was built.)
Stephanie, can you use your psychic powers or your position as a law enforcement officer to generate some information on what happened to Morgan Harrington, especially details of her interaction with the UVA basketball players, who were the last to see her?
rob, I think the answer to both of those is a big no, considering that the psychic powers in question are non-existent and the law enforcement officer claim is at least somewhat suspect.
Kathy - This post is about commenting not newscasts. If you wish not to receive these comments in your email box, then do not check the box below that says “Notify me of any future comments by email.”
whats up with her friends,its like they washed there hands of morgan, not a single one on tv being interviewed? have they retained lawyers? something does not seem right with this group, when the parents are asked what about the friends they change the subject, an open mind must be kept to solve this including all avenues like her friends!
i hope and pray this basketball angle has no legs. that would be horrible for both schools and cause even greater animosity than already exists. any hope that she just ran away seem to be have faded away at this point.
I saw on another site (lots of unsubstantiated theories and opinions, but probably some fact) that perhaps verified witnesses and others with information considered to be credible have been asked not to give public statements. Would seem a reasonable request if LE has a person of interest or a viable theory, but are not yet ready to tip their hand.
I never said a word about newscast!!! Most of you are just into arguing. I know how to stop the email, Dear. I choose to keep up with Morgan and it really is none of your business. So, keep your trap closed to me. I think you are quite rude, among others.
I just read my post from yesterday and I just do not understand why Kat had a smart comment to make to me. You sure do not show any sympathy, do you????????????
What does “Officer” mean? Police officer? Security guard? And why is it always capitalized?
A body appears to have been found in the Roanoke area: http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/226638
OK so in one article I read her dad talked about her going to the Bonaroo Festival in TN which is a multi day campout partying festival.
In one picture posted online I noticed she was wearing a shirt from the All Good Festival a 4 day campout partying festival in WV.
Although she went to school there and knew the area she had someone else drive her car.
I still keep coming back to maybe she took something got too messed up got ejected from the arena.
Then she was reportedly trying to find a ride home and talked to basketball players and none of them offered to give a cute blond girl a ride home? Was she so messed up or behaving so erratically that they were afraid of her?
If you gave a girl a ride, or she hooked up with you or your friends and went to a party with her and then she stopped breathing or you woke up the next day to find her not alive what would that person do?? Would you call the ambulance and police or be afraid you would get in trouble??
I still think that rather than being abducted she either ran off or 0D’d and if the latter the people that she was with have not come forward.
Stephanie.. I completely agree with you, it’s not fair for you to be treated badly when you are attepting to help. I have a ? for you.. You said you see the name Ivy? I see a ravine of some sort.. and I get the name Knoll. I’ve never been anywhere in the state though. There’s an Ivy Rd really close to the Arena when you look at a map. Is it possible that’s what you see? The street name?
I hope that the people who are encouraging “psychics”, and the “psychics” themselves understand that all they’re doing is creating false hope. Never, not once, has a “psychic” ever helped an investigation in any way. In fact, many “psychics” have pushed investigations in the wrong direction, which can partly be blamed on the police for giving them the time of day. For example, a “psychic” said Jaycee Dugard was definitely dead, which we all know is not the case.
The father of Genette Tate, who disappeared in 1978 said:
“We discovered that the work of the psychics was not just ludicrous and laughable. it was sinister and evil….None of it ever led anywhere except to despair and disappointment, misery and confusion.”
Please understand you’re doing more harm than good.
yes, but if she OD’ed or had an accident late at night with a bunch of guys, you are not talking about career criminals that have the means to dispose of the body, if they live in aprtments or housing near campus. she would be local and would have been found by now. a bunch of frat boys or players are going to screw that up easily.
What about Sylvia Brown? She has helped find many missing people. It plainly states in the Bible that there are people (called Prophets) that are given these gifts.
We should not be judging others or their thoughts. I am sure that everyone really wants to help.
Again, I say that if you find the psychics annoying then just ignore their posts. You really do not have to comment on any post.
Not trying to offend anyone. Let’s just stick to the subject of Morgan and not veer off on tangents about what others post.
Has anyone heard anything about the girl that was found under a Roanoke Bridge?
Hey Guys, Have a Blessed Day!
Sylvia Browne has a track record of….0 crimes solved. In fact much of the information she puts out is so far off as to be ridiculous. Read up on her:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/391613/sylvia_browne_psychic.html?cat=10
rather than just believing what you see on Montel.
Rob, To answer your question, I am not on the city force - The hours are long and you rotate between nights and days…Once I began having children, that wasn’t an option for me any longer… I then was diagnosed with Lukemia, and took a two year break all together- I recovered, and decided to go back to work, doing what I knew best- but in a setting without the long hours, which allowed me the freedom to be with my children after school, nights, weekends and all summer….So, I am now an Officer employeed with the ISD. However, my boss is on the force as many, many friends and associates. I could try seeing if they knew anything, but being as though we’re Texas and you’re there….I am not sure. And CookieJar- Get over yourself. Seriously….
All of that being said- I have decided not to post further on the blogs and wished I had never of done so in the first place. I wish the Harrington family all the best and pray that their daughter is found soon….
Kathy - well, who is doing nothing but arguing now? Hmmm? I was just trying to be helpful, dear. Some may not know about the box below. I have plenty of sympathy even though I do not know Morgan. I am sensitive to missing cases (due to experience with sexual abuse, etc. myself) and I am very familiar with many of their stories. I have been praying for Morgan, her family, and all other missing persons. I just do not appreciate those who get on here and tell others what they should and should not say. It is none of YOUR business, and you sound like a complete control freak.
If the female found under the Roanoke Bridge is Morgan, and I pray it isn’t (and I hate that it has to be anybody), then Stephanie’s psychic vision is in part correct. It takes a body, whoever it is, a while to drift from a bank area into the flowing water and then to discovery in a more open and public area. God bless whoever that person is and her family.
The body is believed to be a suicide and not believed to be Morgan’s.
Let’s all remember why we are here and keep the comments to this specific topic and not to belittle eachother.
Praying for Morgan.
Kathy, the problem with “psychics” is that THEY are not staying on the topic. They make the topic themselves and their bogus “gifts of prophecy.” The signal to noise ration is already unfavorable, that’s one of the reasons there is no solution to the problem of what happened in Morgan’s disappearance.
If only information that was 100% certain came in, it would be a lot easier for the police to make some headway. It isn’t that way though, and one of the biggest challenges the police face is to determine what is and what isn’t useful information. Adding to the noise only makes that task harder and less likely to be successful.
Re: the bible and “psychics.” Psychics are sorcerers not prophets, and you know what true believers do to witches.
After watching this story on one of the HLN shows ,I fell asleep and had what was probably just a crazy dream that I was being held prisoner in a house and was going to try to escape but it was very dangerous The word prison kept coming across Anyway the location was very close to a church and school bordering a parkway(not interstate).
One last thing…..CookieJar made reference to my employment as being “iffy” also…please see the link below- Thanks
http://s784.photobucket.com/albums/yy127/salmaguer-WISD/
I think this is the correct link….
Stephanie, go back to work. Right now. No one cares.
Seriously rob cookie jar and any others that want to pick on others-via comment section of a blog-ENOUGH!!
Worse than children!
grow up already!!
Stephanie - Over and over you keep saying that you’re not going to post anymore, this is your last post, you’re going to bed, goodnight, no more, this is it, no more posting on blogs, good luck, no more, etc. etc. blah blah blah………but then you turn around and post again. And again. And again. And again. Enough already.
As Rob said, Go back to work. Right now. Do not pass Go. Do not collect your $200. And don’t respond to this comment while going back to work.
Buh bye.
OP: “Interestingly I saw an article linked on another site regarding a young man who came into a nearby pub in a huff, asking for directions. The witness said the pub was closed or closing and the male ran out abruptly and the witness noted the behaviour as odd. ”
That person was referring to Boyd Tavern Virginia, a crossroad’s “communtity” about 13 miles east of Charlottesville: it is not a pub or tavern. There is a country store/gas station there, and other than residential homes scattered about, not much else. Very rural.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=boyd+tavern+virginia&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.808514,56.162109&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Boyd+Tavern,+Virginia&t=h&z=14
Did the UVA basketball players do something to Morgan Harrington? Is it true that they were the last ones to see her before she went missing? Are they the ones who saw her hitchhiking? Does their suspension have anything to do with the case?
What happened?
Hello Fellow Bloggers, I have been gone all afternoon. Are there any updates on Morgan?
I am not going to post anything, anymore, about anybody. I do apologize for any interruptions that I have caused.
I want to hear updates and opinions. Maybe an opinion will be right and someone may see it and think it is worth checking out.
I am in the hopes that if Morgan is dead that maybe a hunter will find her before a long time span passes.
I continue to pray for Morgan, her family, and her friends.
God Bless All Of Us.
FIRST- BOO:
Yes, I had said I was done on this site- AND FYI- I postetd only ONCE after I said that- So when you pass 1st grade and can count, then make your comments.
SECOND- COOKIEJAR: Per the recommendation of some of my friends on the PD, (those who’ve been keeping up on this blog) I am posting again. They pointed out something to me, that was very careless, thoughtless, and down right vindictive.
I would like to say that you crossed the line with your comments this time. Those of you who thrive on putting me down for my original post, go ahead. But YOU took it to a completely different level when you referenced, on a blog that is about a missing girl, the area in which I live and the sex and age group of my children……for every mad, psychopathic, pedofile to read. As it was also pointed out to me, but I already knew- Revenge is a very powerful motivator - Especially against anyone in LE or that industry, period. Freedom of speech is one thing, but when you start outting personal information regarding someones home and family members, especially minor children- you’ve gone to far.
If any harm comes to my children, in any way, I can promise one thing, I won’t need psychic abilities to track the source- I am also reporting abuse of the site to the Admin. Whether you are removed or not it is up to them- You turned this site into a battle ground because you didn’t believe in something. I don’t believe in many things, but I don’t put people down whose opinion differs from mine. That’s the difference in maturity and immaturity. Don’t reference me, or my family again in your postings.
Any updates on the body found in Laurel, MD today? All I can find is that there was one, and it was gruesome, but not details re: gender, etc.
It was a man…around 45 yrs. old, I believe.
Dear all,
Please limit your comments to constructive criticism or discussion of the article under which you’re posting. If anyone engages (or continues to engage) in off-topic posts or personal attacks, we’ll delete the posts. If the comment section on this article ceases to serve as a legitimate discussion forum focused on the issue at hand– Morgan Harrington’s disappearance– we’ll turn the comments off.
Carry on, but with civility, please.
Courteney Stuart
im believing the newspaper woman on the lawn and the story about the men walking with morgan. the stories are VERY VERY similar. the police should follow up with mrs parson,and find out what door she came out of on the lawn. i think that would lead to alot of evidence.
Has anyone been able to confirm that the woman on the Lawn was not Dee, the JMU student who’s been confused with Morgan? Has LE spoken with Dee about that? Or to find out if she was the aggressive woman outside the arena?
The website internetworldstats.com estimates 1,733,993,741 users of the internet. When you choose to connect your own real name with your posts on a public forum that’s a part of the internet, that’s how many people you’ve invited into your life.
Assuming that just 1 in 100,000 would chose to harm a stranger for some reason, thats about 173,399 people who with a few clicks of a mouse can find out more things than you can imagine about your life and do as they please with that information. Needless to say, that’s not very security minded behavior.
If anything, this disappearance ought to drive home the importance of taking reasonable precautions in our day to day lives whether virtual or actual.
I don’t think we’re any closer today than a month ago. There appear to be no new leads. I’d suggest returning to known timeline, pounding away at it and KNOWN facts. Also, I hope the Newspaper lady with art training may have worked up some sketches as soon as she realized what was going on. They could eventually be of significence to the case.
Stephanie- You said Ivy and the other Stephanie said Knoll! Both Ivy, Va and Knoll,Va are off the interstate heading from VB to C’ville. I do believe its the same exit ramp. My god- What if this is the place? What are the chances of 2 ‘psychics’ seeing (or feeling) the same place? But do you see anything else in the Ivy/Knoll area? Its riddled with creeks, woods, ditches. Do you feel how far out? Crazy as it seems guys but hey Ive seen crazier and I’m not a psychic. Put your minds to use and lets bring her home. Prayers to all.
Yes, a resource is a resource no matter what source it comes from. Closed mindedness will not bring Morgan home. It will take an open-minded thinker to figure this one out. I have asked this before, but I’ll ask again. Has anyone questioned whether or not it could be one of Dan Harrington’s patients? Let’s pretend we have this guy as a patient. He is not thinking straight. He saw a picture of Morgan in Dr. Harrington’s office (this is purely speculative, but I’m thinking outside of the box here), and he asks Dr. Harrington if that is his daughter. Dr. Harrington says “yes.” Right there the perp has enough information about her to go on. She’s possibly bumped into this person before. He’s been stalking her. He knows her every where about. He’s befriended her on Facebook or Myspace under the guise of being a student. He knew she was going to the concert. He knows what car she drives. He waits in the parking lot or he has his own tickets. Is there video of a guy seemingly alone from the JPJ arena surveillance cameras?
Stephanie, I wish I could comment on your questions, but I am so afraid of the retaliation from such. I have never posted on blogs before, until now, and do not know exactly how they work. Is there a way to contact someone privately? I do believe that another search will be conducted - and it will cover the areas from……I believe starting at Skyline Dr., up through Grettoes (sp?) and then down, through all the woodlands, towards the Ivy Creek areas……I THINK……
Also, is there a way to edit a post that I submitted? I would like to remove the graphics I put in my original….there is no need for such and is, I am sure, what offended most….and change my user name. I realize changing name at this point is probably useless…..but, I just would like to do so anyway. Thanks
Steph A. - You may be able to post as a guest (without logging in and possibly under a second email).
I’d like to know how someone posted graphics in a comment. That’s a new trick for sure. Are we on the same blog here?
CC- I am refering to graphic details / words, not actually graphics. Sorry, I wasn’t too clear.
Kat, I realize I could change name and email to post….but I would just like to edit some existing post. It’s probably not possible…but thats ok. Thanks
i would just like to point out that the law enforcement working on this case are TRAINED and KNOW WHAT THEY’RE DOING! there’s a reason they’re not giving all the information they have to the public…it could be very harmful to the progress of the case. stop feeling “betrayed” because you don’t know all the information. it isn’t your job to solve this case, it’s the job of the law enforcement and they’re handling it the way their trained to handle it.
This is to Kat. Your possibility of someone seeing a picture of Morgan in Dr Harrington’s office isn’t an issue here. He does not have any pictures of his family in his office. I don’t know about the possibility of a stalker, but he wouldnt have come accross Morgan that way. That being said, I am sure that the police have looked at her facebook accout.
Courtney Stuart I look at this blog for updates rather than for gripefests. Do YOU have any updates? You seem to be writing about this more than most other newspeople. Any news would be appreciated. Thank you.
Sorry for the off topic post. Steph A: I suggest writing to the admin and seeing if they will facilitate an email exchange with someone in particular– or you could set up a generic dummy email, make that account public, and then either carry on all correspondence from that account or screen it until you are sure the person you are interacting with is someone you trust. Just be extremely careful, because people are obviously going to try to mess with you. I suggest one other thing, humbly. Don’t let yourself get baited. No matter how mean/unfair someone is, ignore it– you can’t let yourself be affected. They don’t know you so it can’t be personal. Resist all urge to respond. They’re not interested in dialogue, it’s vampiric. If you can’t resist, don’t do a dummy account, because it is going to get flooded. The internet is always gloves off, Steph A. It’s the power of anonymity. Don’t get baited.
Did UVA make a statement about the basketball players’ involvement in Harrington’s disappearance?
cat - How do you know he does not have pictures? Do you work there, or are you a Police Officer? If so, that’s at least one theory down, and 100 more to go. I work at a Mental Health Facility myself. I sure would not say that all mentally ill are capable of horrific crimes (not to say that is what is going on), but some are. Thank you for the info.
Is everyone aware that there is a candlelight vigil this Saturday night at 9:00PM Eastern Standard Time for Morgan. Anywhere you are, light a candle for her and for the Harringtons. For further information go to the Virginia Tech website. thttp://www.vtnews.vt.edu/campus_notices/campusnotice
Also, can we make an effort to make this site about finding Morgan rather than posting our bios? It would be more helpful.
What a great idea. I think in front of UVA’s JPJ arena, right along Emmet St. there across from the Econo Lodge, would be a great place for Charlottesville people to gather! Who’s with me?
@ Frank: “involvement”? is that not a bit loaded of a term? You’re saying that you know they were “involved” in her disappearance? is everyone who says they saw her on that night “involved” in her disappearance?
if it was your child who told the authorities that he had seen Morgan on the night of her disappearance, would you be happy that total strangers were saying your child was “involved” in her disappearance?
Good idea, Rob. For those working Saturday night, maybe we can also meet there at 2pm with candles?
@Hoolarious - I’m just asking if there was a statement made by UVA about the fact that basketball players were the last ones to see her. We know that the players interacted with her that night — the question is, how, exactly? That’s what I mean when I use the word ‘involvement’.
Stephanie wrote: “You said you see the name Ivy? I see a ravine of some sort.. and I get the name Knoll. I’ve never been anywhere in the state though. There’s an Ivy Rd really close to the Arena when you look at a map. Is it possible that’s what you see? The street name?”
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I think we all know how easy it is to look up online maps, Google Earth and even pictures of places we’ve never visited.
Right now, when I think about most of these psychics, I’m getting a vision of words like bunk, fraud, and fake.
Never mind, I’ve answered my own question — this is from today’s Daily Regress:
Authorities have also repudiated reports of a link between Harrington’s disappearance and the departures of two players from the UVa men’s basketball team.
Sources have said that some members of the team saw Harrington that evening.
Sophomore center Assane Sene was recently suspended for the first three games of the season for “conduct detrimental to the team,” according to UVa, and senior forward Jamil Tucker has taken an open-ended leave of absence from the team.
“These actions are in no way connected to Morgan’s disappearance,” wrote UVa spokeswoman Carol Wood in an e-mail.
-sigh- no, frank, you didn’t simply ask if there was a statement from the U. you assumed that their “contact” was actually “involvement” and wanted to know if there was any official statement about their “involvement.” you assumed involvement. involvement with a crime means having something TO DO with a crime, not simply being a witness or simply seeing the victim before someone else does something to her.
Involved, to the extent that they were witnesses. Is that better?
Bio - I work in Public Relations as a graphic designer/illustrator. I graduated from Ole Miss with an art degree. I have three beautiful children, and a wonderful husband. We live out in the country. As a mother, I have come into my own. I have a better understanding of human emotions. I live in the United States of America, and I am grateful I have freedom of speech, as long as it is not hurting anyone. I’m also grateful I have the freedom of prayer. I will pray for Morgan and her family continuously. I will also pray for all the wonderful people on this board who care about Morgan. Peace!
In regards to the destination called Ivy; there is also a place called Ivy Creek Natural Area off of Hydraulic Rd. It would be about a 10 minute drive from the Copely Bridge. I hope that Morgan is alive and well, but I know that the stats are not favorable. Perhaps a search of Ivy Creek Natural Area is in order, if it has not already been done.
I am so sorry that this sad story has happened and I pray for her safe return and comfort for her family and friends.
I want to begin by saying , God Bless & be Everpresent with Dr. & Mrs. Harrington , who are in a daily living Hell. No parent should ever have to endure what they are going through!
Courtney , many thanks to you for an excellent article that puts things into perspective for us who have all been so concerned about Morgan , yes those of us who are strangers to this family & to this campus , but who care. People from around the world are talking about “What happened to Morgan”. they know it could be my daughter & relate to that thought very well.
One thing that seems to be similar to this case are the parallel circumstances of The Natalee Holloway case. Natalee Holloway was from Birmingham AL & went missing in Aruba while on a high school graduation trip. The case was somewhat “solved” because the answers were there, but evidence was “lost” , destroyed sometimes in front of searchers (Fred Golba a witness to this), so Legally , it was covered up & corruption & evil won the legal game.
The thing that stood out to me was what both Dr. & Mrs. Harrington have stated , “None of this makes any sense” … Those were the same words uttered by Beth Holloway Twitty , the mother of Natalee. In both instances these parents heard of behavior by witnesses that was totally out of character for their daughters. Both sets of parents knew that something was wrong , terribly wrong .
The Harrington’s know their child better than anyone , and they know Morgan’s weaknesses as well as her strengths. They know of her core values & how much she has to draw from the experiences & the values they gave to her for her entire life. If they say this does not add up , Believe Them !
One thing in Natalee’s case , it was determined by investigations that unknown to her a drug had been placed into her drink , some home-made concoction of Liquid X or perhaps GHB. This happens to
young women for the purpose of date rape. It begins to take effect quickly , so 15 to 30 mins the person who has ingested it begins to feel the ill effects of it. Some of the symptoms would be urinary frequency & urge , rapid & thready pulse, sweating , dry mouth , dizziness, nausea , headache (vascular), confusion , unsteady gait. I believe that Morgan got up to walk to the restroom but once she was up the dizziness hit her full force.
Morgan was seen inside the arena taking pictures by a couple who watched her from a distance because they were afraid she would fall while taking pictures. A few seconds later , they saw her fall. they offered help , asked “are you okay” and she just looked “stunned” and stared at them without saying a word , and continued to walk past. There was blood on her face. I do not know who else saw her inside with blood on her face , but surely someone did.
You always hear don’t leave your drink unattended in a bar. Well you cannot have an open soda in a venue without a lid on it because someone could easily slip something into your drink with out being seen. Kids do this for a Joke , even to Strangers they do not know ! They do not realize the harm that can come to another person as a result of this.
GHB is a hypnotic agent that is banned in the US , but is still manufactured in other countries & smuggled into the U.S. being a hypnotic agent , a person is easily led into dangerous situations & appears to be compliant. BUT , another thing about GHB is that often a person is very easily angered & they will become physically aggressive. That adds up to the altercation at the front door , and also her running over to the gentleman who says she approaced him.
To me , this case is similar to Natalee’s because the behavior was so unlike the person all knew & loved . We do know who Natalee got into the car with , so we need to find out more about after the parking lot for Morgan . Her posters /flyers need to be up in the truck stops. perhaps a trucker saw her. She is beautiful & would be hard to miss ! Maybe a truck driver saw what type of car she got into.
My thoughts & prayers continue.
To add a positive note to my earlier post …
Morgan went missing in the USA. We all care & want her to be found.
Natalee went missing in Aruba & she did not stand a chance because they did not want her to be found.
Let’s pray for Morgan to return home safely !
The date rape drug angle makes a lot of sense, Frances. When I was living in NYC a number of people I know, all women, had horror stories concerning small amounts of alcohol, as in just a few drinks, that had them falling over, vomiting, passing out, and experiencing walking blackouts. No man I’ve talked to in NYC had a similar experience. I was witness to one of these cases, and it was terrible. No way to prove anything was added to their drinks, but all of them highly suspected it. It does sound as though these kinds of drugs might be cheap enough for people to use in random pranks.
They do not usually keep the victim they spiked their drinks with this stuff or kill them, do they? This world is so messed up and there are so many mean people. God Help Us All!
Did anyone see her parents on the news tonight? It absolutely breaks my heart.
I just want them to find this beautiful girl. And, I want them to find whoever took her and punish them to the max.
I have read every single comment on this site and i will say only this.Tragic as it may be without intention morgan has created something quiet beautiful by her dissapearence…She has formed alot of wonderful friendships amoungst so many of you…The love and respected i can feel thats flowing between each and every one of you is so beautiful..You all speak with such kindness and respect to each other i find that so beautiful…Here in the united kingdom all i ever here is negativity,nastiness and critisism spoken amoungst the public through the media…What a breath of fresh air…Long live the people of America..A wonderful example of unity and friendship amongst their brothers and sister fellow Americans…In times of troubles they do not turn against each other but unite…Id prefere to be state side any day…
Wow Emerald! Well said. The way I see it- We are all brothers and sisters when the crap hits the fan. I treat others as I know how I would want to be treated. If it was my daughter I would only hope that sooo many great people would come to my aide as well. Yes we may all be grasping straws of different lengths but at least we all have our hands out. America is beautiful but there are some sick twisted souls amongst us. God Bless Morgan and God Bless the USA! …as well as you in the UK! :) xoxo
Any chance we can get the specifics as to how Morgan’s belongings were found? I thought initially it was reported the items were picked up by someone crossing an area and turned into UVA police. Is this correct? Were her items turned in before or after the missing person notice was released on Oct. 18th? How did LE confirm the information was correct? I have scratched my head wondering why they omitted this info in the beginning? From where I sit, it would have made sense to put the location out there so they could hear from folks whether they too saw these belongings or better yet Morgan? And nail down a time WHEN her belongings showed up or if she was ever at the location where her belongings allegedly turned up. I also have wondered if the person who found them tried what most of us would and looked inside for id and attempted to reach Morgan or maybe someone listed as emergency contact? And I wonder WHEN they were turned into UVA police.
I also have wondered about the Blue and Orange World Series and if there is a connection between anyone who worked/attended that event and Morgan’s last movements and where her belongings were found? Were the trash recepticles at JPJ and Davenport Field searched for her phone battery (if missing) or necklace?
And I continue to wonder to read where her purse, which was a backpack style, had a broken strap. Was the strap frayed, snapped, or cut? And we know her car keys were with her friend inside. What about her house keys?
I can’t believe after a MONTH there are more questions! From where I am sitting, I am confounded by how much is being hidden. I understand there are times when LE has to keep some information close to the vest - but a full view frame of Morgan from that night or at all? A description that includes how she wore her hair and any jewelry that night? Her exact movements leading up to the concert, where her group parked, what entrance they used, where her seat was, and where she exited and attempted re-entry and when? Those all seem like points LE would want to put out to the public to generate leads. Yet for some reason, in Morgan’s case, MUM.
Is there any relationship or connection between who found her belongings and those who claimed she was last seen hitchhiking? How can LE know if they don’t release the names of who these folks are?
I have had so many problems with this case. And the hitchhiking scenario is just the latest oddity.
UVA police assuming the lead for a minute (Taylor Behl’s mom hired an attorney for a very good reason!), not a peep from the UVA Police Chief or UVA Investigative Lieutenant, and initially Lt Rader deferring to UVA’s Lt. Fielding, the University’s PATROL Lieutenant during the first (and in my opinion LATE) news conference. And yet the UVA Lt. just stood there, did not make any statement at all or field any questions. That missing person blurb initially released says Morgan was NEAR JPJ, not AT JPJ. That bugged me then and it bugs me still. And then there is no mention of the concert. And no mention of JMU, the post concert destination for Morgan and her friends. Now we have her supposedly hitchhiking.
I have wondered from the start if Morgan was ejected from JPJ. I have wondered WHEN and WHERE the phone call exchange between Morgan and whoever was inside occured and if SECURITY was nearby. I continue to wonder why so many and so much are still in the shadows. Information has been released in a trickle fashion, much of it illogical to me, the only common thread seems to be Morgan ALWAYS is OFF UVA property even though her belongings were found ON UVA property.
Has anyone checked UVA police logs? Was Lt. Fielding front and center because the patrol division responded to a call when Morgan was ejected? I have so many unanswered questions.
I don’t want to think badly of UVA… so far, though I can’t see where they did anything right with this case from day one. And Morgan is still missing.
By the way, who is leading Morgan’s disappearance investigation right now? And what role is the FBI allowed to play right now?
Veracity, you make plenty of solid arguments. For the sake of her parent’s sanity, I hope they do not turn out to be true. I also hope that the trash has been gone through a dozen times and yielded something useful. I wasn’t aware of the Behl case.
I hope that bureaucracy and politics muddling LE investigations is the exception. (mom_of_Kelli– I completely understand your reason to doubt this… peace and Grace to you and yours.) Veracity, I think there is still good reason for holding most cards to the chest, and it relates to something Steph A. wrote, though it has been argued plenty here already.
I assume Morgan has been abducted, and serial criminals are known to obsessively troll media and police reports. They think evading capture is a sign of intelligence but LE, of course, is at a big disadvantage from the start. I can understand where releasing info might help people recall facts, but it’s probably more useful that any advantage LE has over the pathetic tool responsible for this is kept tight.
I also hope said pathetic tool disproves this label by allowing Morgan to return home safely or by surrendering. At no point can a man not awaken and save himself from himself.
@Veracity:
Thank you for raising the most salient points in this investigatory MESS.
According to police logs on the UVA police website, the purse was found and turned into police AT THE CAGE PARKING LOT, NOT LANIGAN FIELD around 8am. Check it yourself.
If we left it up to law enforcement to solve this case, we’d still be looking for someone with PANERA written across her shirt.
That is all.
To Cat: I, for one, will be with you in lighting a candle at 9EST. A classmate of mine only a little older than Morgan lost her life almost a year ago. This girl was a dynamo, a tireless human rights crusader with parents who remind me of what I’ve seen of the Harringtons online. I’m going to relight her candle from her reception for Morgan. It seems a fitting honor to both, and who knows, maybe she is still a fighter?
Thank you ROB! I will check out the UVA police website. So police had her purse around 8 AM on SUNDAY MORNING and it took her parents filing a missing person report after Morgan didn’t show around NOON in Roanoke? Wonder how “found” items are received? I tell you, this case is just a continuing cascade of questions.
Thank you again for your help.
HUMMM- there were a number of arrests at JPJ the night of the concert? I wonder how one would go about figuring out who was actually arrested and for what? I think one occurred just before 8 PM and another just after 9 PM. Wonder where the officers parked their cars for these incidents and if their cars were equipped with dash cams and if so,what they show. Clearly UVA police were at JPJ around the time Morgan was on the outside of the facility and trying to get back inside, weren’t they?
The purse found doesn’t mention a cell phone does it? Wonder if that was inside? I also noticed there was a purse apparently stolen from a car around THE PARK area around 5:38.
These reports are as VAGUE as everything else with this case!
Sorry all, one more thing to add after looking at the UVA POLICE LOG. Every day the log goes in chronological order, except on Oct. 18th there appears to be an error. The first entry shows a simple assault at JPJ reported at 0018 AM(just after midnight) but the occurence time stamp is for 9:43 PM? How is that possible?
the police dont owe the public the level of detail many of you are asking for. the police owe the harringtons and this investigation a serious level of detail, but not to any of us.
I am not from around that area and had a question for you locals.
Is abductions and murders common to Virginia? I know every place has their share of violence, but I have noticed over the course of many years there seems to be a lot of abductions in VA. Is it b/c is so close to DC? Or is it b/c VA is more in mainstream media than the past. I understand that other cities or states probably have more volume but wanting to know if Virgina has more than usual lately or if it has been a common occurance.
Sorry for sounding so naive but I come from a small town and have lived in large cities and I have never heard of so many abductions sexual predators and murders coming from a single state than I have heard about Virginia.
I don’t mean to belittle VA either, just wanting to know what is “normal”? It may be even b/c its not as advertised around here as much as it is there…just a thought.
Veracity-I just want to clarify one point of your post. I do not believe there was a game at the baseball facility on the 17th, therefore it would have been very dark. Perhaps that is not what you are asking, but rather would trash receptacles have been emptied between the 16th, the date of game 5, and Monday, the 19th, the date of game 6? Even though I’ve been to several baseball games, many, many basketball games and concerts at U-Hall and several basketball games and concerts at U-Hall, I did not realize until this story broke that there was such a lot as RV parking. From the maps posted it seems to me people might actually walk through that lot on the way to Davenport field.
from VirginiaSports
Game 5: Orange 3, Blue 2, 8 inn.(this game was played Friday 10/16 and reported on 10/17)
Game 6: Monday, October 19, 3 p.m.(rescheduled because of rain on 15th)
Game 7: Tuesday, October 20, 6 p.m.
notations in () are my own comments.
one small change to the above in the interest of clarity, I meant to write, several basketball games and concerts at JPJA, not at U-Hall (as most already know, John Paul Jones Arena replaced U-Hall as the basketball arena for the University in, I think 2006.)
Lauren—I moved to Charlottesville a few years ago. It’s a beautiful town, progressive and energized, and I absolutely love it here. However, the longer I’ve lived here, the more I do start to pick up on a real thread of violence woven under the fabric of bucolic Central Virginia. There are numerous unsolved murders in the state and around the Virginia area. Many have been high profile cases—in 1996, two female hikers were murdered along the Appalachian Trail around the same time other women either disappeared or were nearly kidnapped along Route 29—and many cases have involved women or children. However, I’m not sure this accurately represents Central Virginia so much as the country as a whole. Statistically speaking, in cases of violence, women and children are often targeted. There have also been many cases involving UVA students over the years, and there seems to be a perception (which I think has credibility) that Charlottesville, UVA, or both want to sweep this issues under the rug. It doesn’t help that many of these students came from affluent homes and could afford the best legal team money could buy—just search for the case of a UVA student who murdered a volunteer fireman. But I am certain most universities and their towns are exactly like this, and of course money often rules when it comes to justice. The media certainly plays a part in this, but I think the Harrington family has done everything correctly. From all that I know, you absolutely must keep the case in the news and pray that it will trigger some kind of memory or tip.
Thanks NotALocal for your observation!
When I went to the VSPD website it just seems so many wanted people or adbuction cases.
I am sure that is the driving force behind the media. For where I live…its fatal car accidents. Seems to be so many, but maybe the media covers it more b/c that is what is thrived on.
It’s appalling to see so many missing person cases.
If only we lived in a violent free world.
Ok, so i had the opportunity to read about the UVA student and the fireman. OMG. Now I see it all! 3 years for killing someone!???? This is why so many violent crimes in that area…b/c people can get away with it!!
I hate to say it but the LE there sounds like a disgrace.
If thats the same people working on the MH case…sorry to say but it doesn’t look too promising.
What an embarrassment and outrage!!
I do not think we have more abductions, murders, etc. here than other places. But, I do think that we are a little slack on actions and protocol. Being a University City makes it seem like we have more crimes, I think. Of course, the University has had a lot happening in the last few years and it is very sad.
People can just be very mean. And, that is people everywhere. Our world is not a safe place. Unfortunately, I do not see a change for the better coming. I am afraid things are only going to get worse. It is very heartbreaking when we cannot protect our children. The kids cannot go anywhere and be totally safe because there are perps lurking everywhere. We have to find a way of punishment for these perps that makes a huge statement that they will suffer for their crimes. Not just slap their hands and throw them in prison for a short time. Being in prison is no punishment. They have a roof over their heads, heat, air, food, television, computers, etc. I have read many times where someone killed an innocent person and served less than two years. This is not justice and this is not appropriate punishment. They know this. And, this is very, very sad. Now, of course, all of this is only my opinion.
I am praying for Morgan, her family, and friends daily. The rain really upsets me because I think about her being in the rain. After a month I tend to think that she is dead. But, I hope that she is alive.
I have such a hard time understanding how nobody can find anything. It just drives me crazy!
I will be lighting a candle on Saturday at nine for her.
God Bless Everyone.
about your last statement, lauren…you have to remember that when someone is charged for a crime, they go to court, where they are sentenced by a judge. the fact that that man only got three years for killing someone (which is not right, i agree!) is not up to LE.
and veracity, you said, “So police had her purse around 8 AM on SUNDAY MORNING and it took her parents filing a missing person report after Morgan didn’t show around NOON in Roanoke?” missing things are turned in all the time. receiving a missing purse is NOT a sign of someone missing. i’ve lost my purse at wal-mart before, that didn’t alert anyone that i was “missing.” the only thing sketch about her missing purse that i can see is that her cell phone battery was missing. perhaps LE thought the owner had dropped the phone on the ground earlier in the evening, picked it up and not noticed the battery had fallen out, put the phone back inside the purse, and continued walking…that is, if they even went through the bag (which i’m sure they didn’t until the missing person report was filed). it’s simple as that. there is nothing phishy about a purse being turned in to lost and found.
About Morgan’s purse, has it been confirmed whether or not there was any identification in the purse? I thought I had read, maybe just rumor, that her wallet was in the purse but no identification.
STEPH A. I would really like to hear your thoughts.. Please email me at beanbugd@yahoo.com This is a tempory email I set up so as to not be giving out personal info to everyone on this blog. I will from there exchange information with you so we can have a discussion without anyone judging or threating anyone based on their opinions. I hope to hear from you :)
From Roanoke:
LE/Judge/system/jury–regardless of who sentenced him–its seems to be not working. 20 times of stabbing someone and now that man is free? ouch!
Here where I live a kid accidently shot his brother–he got 20 yrs.
Points need to be proven.
Sounds like politics play a very important role there.
hmmm…the purse finding and missing person report does sound strange. perhaps the friends told the parents that made them suspicous?
Steph A,
I, too, would like to hear your thoughts. I am sorry that others have made you feel wrong for just trying to help. I do not have the gift, but believe that some do. People who do not believe that there is such a thing are egocentric, as they believe that if they can’t understand it or have it, it must not exist. They also do not realize that info does not present itself as a movie, but as snippets that have to be put into context, which is not that easy. Do not feel badly for trying to do what you believe is the right thing. We are all just trying to help find Morgan.
lauren, i agree with you. points DO need to be made. i guess it has everything to do with whether you can afford a good lawyer or not. with this man being a student at UVA, i have no doubt that his parents could afford a good lawyer. which is why he was only sentenced to three years. it isn’t right by any means, but it’s life and life isn’t fair. bad people get away with bad things, while small accidents are punished too harshly.
and lannie, i believe her ID was found in the purse.
Roanoke,
If you are referring to the firefighter/UVA student, the students parents were/are wealthy. They managed to get prior incidents of rage suppressed, so the sentence was passed without all of the info needed to assess the situation. It was a blow for most of us in C-ville. But, let’s get back to helping find Morgan.
Mr/Mrs/Miss From Roanoke (and others, that blade cuts both ways. A lot of innocent people receive justice because they have the funds to hire a good attorney.
Peanut, it makes me wonder what will happen to the person who has morgan if he is a UVA student and has parents who can afford to hire a good lawyer. that’s why it was brought up, i believe.
Roanoke,
You make a good point, but the situations are very different. I hope that Morgan and the perp are found soon.
gasbag, you’re right. sometimes it’s difficult to see it that way, though. and it would be miss, by the way.
and peanut, yes, the situations are different…but it can have a similar outcome. i just feel strongly about this case because i went to high school with morgan harrington, and although i didn’t know her very well personally (i only met her a few times), we share mutual friends and i hate to see some of my friends going through what they are because of this. i don’t want whoever did this to her to get away with a mere 3 years in jail if he’s done something terrible to her.
No one wants the perp to get away with anything, except the perp. C-ville is very invested in this emotionally and want this to end (and to end well). It torments many of us who do not know her, I can’t imagine how family and friends feel. It must just be days of putting one foot in front of the other…
Lannie, during the second news conference I believe Lt. Rader explained Morgan would not have her id with her. He said this in response to someone from the media who asked about her purse.
From Roanoke - I see where you are coming from. Obviously I agree NOT every missing purse turned in means there is a missing person on the other end. However, how does anyone know? I am not simply looking back with greater awareness. I have followed missing person cases for over two decades.
I am truly curious what UVA’s policy/procedure is for good reason. Since the item was NOT found IN JPJ it would not have been turned into the Arena, right? But there was a concert the night before, right? So lots of folks from out of town in the city.
When a person goes missing, time is the enemy. Please try to understand this. IT IS SO CRITICAL. So someone turns in a purse at 8 AM Sunday morning - the report does not mention a cell phone by the way and the specifics as to the phone could be important and its condition, as well as the possible condition of the purse itself, raises the bar in my opinion.
Do the campus police id the person who found the item? Does whoever found the item have to sign something to attest to where they found the item and when? At the time this item was turned in there were how many missing purses at UVA? There had been a purse snatched from a car the very day of the concert right?
So, when someone turns in a purse with ID to UVA police - exactly who and where at UVA received this info I think is important- but also important what are police supposed to do? Did they do it? Do they normally look inside to see if any id and contact info is there and attempt to reach the person? If I found a purse that is exactly what I would do before I turned it in and I would tell the person who and where to go to get it back. Before the police even had this purse, did this happen?
If LE did try to reach Morgan around 8 AM and tell her the purse had been found and could be picked up whereever, whom did they reach? Begs the question, did they reach her roomie, her parents, or Va Tech? If they had taken that step, it could have potentially shortened the window from when Morgan was last seen to when the report was done, right? IF the person who found the purse tried to reach her, that could have shortened the window even more possibly.
Think about that for a minute - that would be at the very least allowed folks who came in for the concert to know before they checked out of their hotels, right? Looking at it from UVA police perspective, that track could have opened up the opportunity to get Morgan’s purse back to her before she left town or determine if there was something more to this than carelessness.
Or does UVA have a policy/practice whereby they just stuff the items in a box with a wait if-they-want-it-bad-enough-they-will-find-us attitude? With what we know now, and from where I am sitting it is not simply what we know only about Morgan’s case, it is very important for LE to do specific things when a purse especially one with id, etc, turns up. I am just wondering if they did it.
The missing person case was opened according to UVA police log at 1:40 PM. That is over 5 and a half hours later. I think we can do better. I am not resigned to just dismiss the way UVA handled the purse. Not only are there the questions about the specific effort made when they first received the item BUT there is the fact they had it from 8 AM, opened a missing person case at 1:40 PM (where?), wrote a missing person release and COMPLETELY neglected to inform the public of the purse receipt, where it was claimed to have been found, who found it, its condition, etc.
I think it mattered THEN. I think it matters NOW.
I think that purse if included in the original published missing person release would have sent out RED FLAGS to the general public. Even men understand women do not walk away from their purses. The attitude of the community would have been WAIT a MINUTE, SOMETHING is WRONG!
If the information had been included in the press press conference,days later, it would have sent out red flags too. In both of these cases it also would have allowed independent collaboration and possibly helped police during a critical phase create a correct timeline and secure good leads. Instead, we listened while Lt. Rader asked from the podium for her friends to “take an interest”!
The actions of the UVA police is clearly relevant specific to Morgan’s purse. And looking forward (which many University campuses have already done because there are students missings whose wallets or purses were discovered), I find UVA’s actions very confusing,disjointed, and still murky.
I would also add one thing. There is a scene in an old movie abour perspective - if one closes one eye and holds a quarter close to the open eye, their view is skewed. If the quarter is moved back, then the view is greater. I would argue when a person goes missing, it is critical to have the greatest view possible and not to subscribe to the skewed view out of loyalty, stubbornness, apathy, or fear.
My heart continues to wish for a good result with this case.
veracity, i see what you are saying. but as someone who has witnessed first hand the effects this has on some of her friends, i have to have faith in the UVA police, the state police, and everyone else involved in finding her. perhaps they’re not answering your questions because that’s what they think is best for the case, and i have to respect that as they know more about finding missing people than i do. but i do agree that someone (whether it be the person who found the purse or LE) should have tried to contact her and let her know that her purse was missing. however, if i found someone’s purse, i would not go through it. when i lost my purse in wal-mart, i got it back, but my camera was missing. i don’t like for people in know to go through my purse, let alone a total stranger. so i will respect the privacy of the owner of any purse i ever find.
and about the last thing you said (about perspective and whatnot), i agree there. if the friends she was with at the concert, or anybody for that matter, know something they’re not telling, they need to get over it and fess up. morgan’s life could be endanger, or she could already be dead. they owe her parents closure, whether she’s alive or dead, they would want to know.
I hate to make this observation, but is it just a coincidence that the Harrington’s turned over Morgan’s dental records to the police. Then at the same time the burned body of a person is found in Monongahela Forest in West Virginia, and dental records are needed to identify the person. Prayers for all.
We need to consider the fact that the state police won’t publish case facts for every nutjob to restate. I find it interesting that all of the sightings can clearly describe Harrington, but fail to give anything about others! That might help people! Irregardless, if anybody feels they have information, give it to the investigators. No detail is ever unwanted.It’s why we pay a professional when needed.
Faith and peace for the Harringtons.
kat, they may think the body found in west virginia is morgan, which is why the harringtons have turned over the dental records. i guess we’ll find out.
To Kat
I was wondering about them bringing the dental records. I do not know if that is normal or if it is just asked after an unidentifiable body is found. I was not aware of the burned body in West Virginia.
I hope and pray they find Morgan soon and some closure comes for the family and friends.
From Roanoke
You mention meeting Morgan a few times . Would you have any incite on Morgan’s “person” . Looking at the erratic behavior it appears Morgan chose for whatever reason . Does Morgan’s movements on the evening of the Metallica concert fit with the Morgan you met . I am going to be bold and say no it doesn’t . I also understand this could be difficult to answer , if so ;don’t.
MY feeling are something was WRONG and it started inside that arena causing Morgan to move away from what ever was wrong .Something , anything to shed some light on WHY Morgan did the things she did . I those “friends” would reveal Morgan’s exact condition , state of mind and motives or theories to WHY Morgan’s ended up outside of JPJA .
I am leaning away from a pied piper ( long term/online ) as today’s technology would have uncovered a trail of some sort of activity of Morgan and a possible POI after this much time has passed .
What are we hiding and why ?
Dakota
A psychic is no more than a normal person giving credence to imagination, or dreams.
They don’t help, then ‘hinder’. They cause families to follow leads “that never lead anywhere” Wasting precious time and resources.
Their images of pain and suffering that are given to the family as ‘clues’ or a special message from God, are downright evil in nature.
In the Christian faith..God/Jesus dwells within, it does not take a special permit to have hope, faith or to be intuitive.
If their is a God, and ‘if’ he were to give answers, he would speak clearly and precisely, he would NOT use a psychic as a messenger, and use such inadequate information.
He clearly states ‘do not’ use those who proclaim to be mediums, why would he then ‘use them’, that “would make him a hypocrite”.
Science does NOT support the validity of psychics, visit the James Randi foundation!
dakota, i only met morgan a few times at school. because it was in a school setting, her behavior at the concert does not match her behavior when i met her. this was some years ago, though. she was a junior in high school, so it was about four years ago. however, i always got the impression that she was a smart girl with her head on straight. i knew she was into a few things that some people might consider “bad,” but nothing that would cause her to act the way she did at the concert. i agree with you. i also think that her behavior may have been caused by some date rape drug.
Stephanie Almaguer:
Reading your blurb…caused more questions than answers. It is totally inaccurate so far against known facts.
Your description of what happened after the fact is cruel. Most of us know what happens to some that go missing..
Your post is ‘exactly’ what I am trying to relay in my post.
If you feel your imagination is accurate..put on your boots and go follow your own leads. Please stop leading people through your imagined pain of someone else.
She may very well ‘be alive’ Now go dream about that.
I agree that whatever happened started inside the arena. And, there are people that know what happened. Just my opinion.
From Roanoke
Thank you for your reply . I agree , I feel something was out of the ordinary inside that arena . I can’t say I would agree on “date rape drug” , too fast acting and I feel she would not of moved away from the safety of friends with a sudden onset of effects caused by a date rape drug . I feel a sudden stressful situation would have moved Morgan to the comfort of a friend . UNLESS the stress was the friends or a friend .
You mention the word “bad” in Morgan’s behavior . I can think of little that would be “bad” in the behavior of a 20 something free spirited girl attending college . If I am guessing, your idea of bad may be recreational drug use . I don’t find this behavior a leap into the criminal world at all . Though some would .
But it would make better sense of possibilities of Morgan’s behavior/movement on the evening in question . Speaking of incite , FROM ROANOKE would you have any incite as to why Morgan Changed schools in her senior year .
Thanks
Dakota
I don’t get it… if a female friend that I knew had been drinking, were to call me an say I can’t get back in, and that I will find my own way home, which by the way is in Blacksburg!, and I had the keys to her car that we all drove in… I am pretty sure I would have to go try to find them even if it meant that I too would not be able to get back into the concert. That is something I can’t figure out! Not that they had anything to do with her disappearance, but I would say they didn’t help her not disappear!
Stephanie, I will email you ASAP and Peanut, I would be glad to include you as well, if you would like to set up an email for that purpose. Thanks
dakota, i have no clue why morgan changed schools her senior year. a friend told me that she did it because she didn’t live in the correct school district, and her parents were paying tuition for her to go to a roanoke county school. but the news has mentioned “the harrington’s ROANOKE COUNTY home.” so what my friend told me can’t be the actual reason. some say it was because she got in trouble with alcohol or something of that sort. but i don’t believe this to be true either. she was an education major at tech. i’m also majoring in education and it’s foolish to major in education if you have possesion or underage drinking charges because it makes finding a job next to impossible after graduating college.
Kathy - below is the news article about the burned body. It doesn’t prove anything of course. The person could be anyone. It might not even be a crime. It could be someone’s car caught on fire and the person could not get out. Tragic, regardless.
http://www.wvmetronews.com/index.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=33563
You may have already found it. Just trying to help.
Oh yeah, a more recent article, 11/18, said that they still have not identified the body. I left that out.
There was another body found more recently:
http://www.thestate.com/breaking/story/1032153.html
Also a picture of her tatoo for identification.
Peace
I think this needs to be said. There is a federal law (Suzanne’s Law) which requires local authorities to enter Morgan’s information into the National Crime Information Center because Morgan is under 21. Her dental records are part of what the file requires.
Just the facts,
You are being mean and that is uncalled for.
I didn’t intend on being mean. My intent was to get her to stop posting ‘mean hurtful’ imagined scenarios.
My apologies.
I looked up Ms. Officer after reading her post’s, and also viewed her photo, I believe she is wearing a weapon in it. I wonder the school she works for, do they know that she ‘while awake’ hears voices..and thinks she is communicating with the dead? She is protecting children at her employment?
Interesting… ya think?
twoforks, i don’t think morgan had a tattoo. if she did, it probably would have been mentioned in the description. tattoos are a good way to identify someone. sooo i don’t think the body you’re talking about is her.
Just The Facts,
People have asked for prayer or said they will pray for Morgan. No one has opposed the writing of this. Some find prayer effective and powerful, others think that prayer just gives false hope and is a waste of time (it “hinders”, in your vernacular).
Please show some respect for differing viewpoints. There are obviously some reading this blog that appreciate the thoughts of a psychic.
just the facts, that’s none of your concern and it doesn’t relate to morgan. to quote the yellow box under the comment box, “People say the darndest things, but if they use language stronger than ‘darn,’ if they use ethnically or racially disparaging language, or start comparing people to Hitler, they may find that we’ve deleted the comment. Ditto for most unverified information, potentially libelous statements, AND ANYTHING OFF THE TOPIC. To avoid spam, all comments containing more than one URL/weblink are placed into a holding tank for administrator approval.”
i believe whether or not pyschics are a reliable source of evidence in an investigation is not directly related to the topic, which is morgan harrington. i believe your statements are quite “libelous,” as well.
I do believe posting that one claims that a child has been murdered because of what one imagines is libelous as well. I do not think that Morgans friends and family ‘enjoy’ reading about how their loved one found death in such a horrific manner.
Her descriptive manner of speaking is offensive to most readers, including me.
It is my business, and it does relate to Morgan’s case. I will not step down from stopping those who hurt the families of victims..they are hurting enough.
okay, that’s cool. i’ll take your point. but no, stephanie’s job and personal life are NOT any of your business. but i’m not going to argue. i’m willing to discuss morgan, because that’s what this topic is about. but i’m not going to speak of things that are off topic on this thread.
Just The Facts,
People have asked for prayer or said they will pray for Morgan. No one has opposed the writing of this. Some find prayer effective and powerful, others think that prayer just gives false hope and is a waste of time (it “hinders”, in your vernacular).
Please show some respect for differing viewpoints. There are obviously some reading this blog that appreciate the thoughts of a psychic.
***
Prayer, even if ineffectual, probably provides some emotional benefit for the participant, along the lines of meditation.
“Psychics” are quacks. They make claims that are demonstrably false and have been continually disproven. It is a “differing viewpoint” in the same way that belief in astrology or a flat earth are “differing viewpoints.”
Hey folks, did you miss Courteney’s warning above? Stay focused and keep personal junk out of it.This is about helping a family resolve its tragedy, not you or your beliefs. Cool it.
The girl in the burned car is not in West Virginia. It is in Kings Mountain, North Carolina. This is close to South Carolina, also. I am originally from near that area.
Just thought you would like to know if you do not know already.
Kathy
Your right..Her life is not the topic here..remembering however, she herself posted her own information for the public to read.
Has it been determined if Morgan is in fact the young lady that.. had a flask and prescription drugs in her purse..and a door person removed the flask from her.. I read it somewhere and cannot find an update, or anything that verifies that account.
I think that the fabulous Courteney Stuart should write a piece about those who watch Dateline/Nancy Grace type programs and become excessively connected emotionally to high-profile cases involving attractive and personable young white women.
Then again, that type of piece has been done so often in publications that it’s almost a cliche.
THTGUY
u are so right the silence of the “friends” speaks volumes
y did they act so not like friends
Steph A,
You can e-mail me at pistachiogreen57@yahoo.com It is also a temp site that I just set up. I know that you are doing your best to help find Morgan in the way that you know how.
I have discontinued posting, therefore, really shouldn’t even be commented on any longer. I am just keeping up with the post and leads in hopes that she is found soon. However, JUST THE FACTS- Yes, my Employer knows and even believe in my “so called” psychic abilities and because of many,many times I have helped to solve things and done things specifically for them, as individuals, they (who were very much the skeptic) Now believe in me, 100%. They know that I don’t go around advertising, and in fact warn me against posting here. They know me probably as well as my own family and they know my character and heart and know that I was only trying to be helpful. They have no problem with, for I am top notch on the job. I do agree I was too graphic, which is why I wanted to edit my positing, but couldn’t. I don’t want to argue or get off topic - so I will end it here. No one has to believe one word I said, just please stay on topic and forget I even posted…..I do have something very interesting for your guys to read though on another discussion board. A Criminal Profiler, profiled the criminal who would have done such a thing….and it matches EXACTLY what and who I believe Morgan got in the car with….There are also some very other interesting subjects on it worth reading….
http://findmorgan.com/forums/index.php?board=1.0
That is all I will say about That….Now, please- just you guys stay on topic and help the Family find their daughter. And again, my personal life, job and Family have zero to do with this board or finding Morgan. Thanks
Peanut, I will ASAP- I just got home from work and have dinner, and my own family to take care of right now….As soon as I can, I will get with you…Thanks for everything.
Steph
You do go around advertising, as I have found you on the internet all over the place!..and also posted your ‘graphic’ hurtful opinion on other pages ‘within’ this same blog! So it’s bologna you tried to edit it.. it is in fact an ‘exact’ copy and paste, of what you wrote here. And you wrote it twice on here..once it was removed!
I will make sure that it is okay with your employer, I would not want to hear about a security guard with a gun.. shooting ‘voices’ in a school where there are children.
I will copy your post and forward..no worries though right? They promote your psycho babble? We will see…
Would someone please prove to me that she ever ARRIVED at the concert?
Cop 101 says begin at the last verifiable known location of the victim. Doesn’t appear to me they have verified anything. Just taken the word of her so-called friends and a lot of mistaken sightings.
Is there any interest at all in Harrisonburg?
Just the Facts…..First, As far as advertising, I mean….like advertisement as a “professional psychic”. I copied and pasted the same readings to a couple of boards all within a few mins. of each other…..Then AFTER THE FACT, wanted to remove the graphics, but couldn’t. Furthermore, you are arguing over something that was asked not to do anymore on this board. And lastly, I will personally give you my bosses email. But if not, you can go to the school website below- I have no problem at all. You are unbelievable. I don’t walk around “hearing voices” or seeing dead people! This is something I do in private upon concentration. Why do you feel the need to put me down because I believe in something and you don’t? I did nothing wrong by giving my opinion, other than being to graphic….and if you will read several post up, I even asked for others advise on how to edit the postings. Never the less, do what you must…..I am sure you’re mindless efforts to contact my boss will help find Morgan and comfort everyone else also. Why can’t you people leave me alone? I quit posting, except to reply to simple request made by two people on this board for my email…..I just don’t understand the vindictiveness and extreme hatefulness of some. I copied and pasted your couple of postings regarding my employment and this posting and went ahead and sent it to my bosses…. I’m am sure that they are going to question your motives as well, seeing as though my personal life and work life are two separate entities.
http://ninthgrade.wisd.org/admin1.html
…I’m with you cookie. I’m really disappointed in LE.
What about the UVA basketball players? What did they see? Why have several left the team? The community deserves an answer.
This is circulating on Facebook. Charlottesville’s candle lighting will take place on the sidewalk across from the Econo Lodge on Emmet St. in Charlottesville this Saturday at 9pm.
This posted today on Virginia Tech website…..Lighting The World With Candles for Morgan Harrington From: Kenny Jarels, Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering Lighting The World With Candles for Morgan Harrington On Saturday, November 21st, 2009 at 9:00 PM EST - Let’s Light a Candle to Bring Morgan Home Ple…ase spread this to as many people in your email lists and your personal networking sites!!!!! Saturday, November 21st 2009 at 9:00 PM EST - people all over the country and as far as we can spread this message will be lighting a candle - thinking of Morgan - Praying for Morgan and her family.
I THINK I MUST HAVE MISSED SOMETHING. WAS SHE DRINKING AS SO MANY ARE SUGGESTING? SHE IS 20, NOT OF LEGAL AGE. IF ALCOHOL WAS BEING SOLD AT THE ARENA, I AM SURE SHE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SOLD ANY, AS SECURITY IS TIGHT AT THE CONCERTS FOR FEAR OF HAVING THEIR LIQUOR LICENSE PULLED IF THEY EVEN HAD LIQUOR THERE. SO I THINK THAT IS UNLIKELY. COULD IT BE SHE WAS JUST SCARED AND UNSURE OF WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO HER BECAUSE SHE COULDN’T GET BACK IN? I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE QUITE UPSET IF THEY SPENT $50 ON A TICKET AND WOULDN’T LET YOU REENTER. COULD SHE HAVE BEEN JUST ANGRY NO ONE WOULD HELP HER, NOT EVEN THE ADULT MAN. I THINK THEY SHOULD FOCUS ON WHY SHE WAS OUTSIDE THE ARENA IN THE FIRST PLACE, NOT ON HOW SHE WAS ACTING. PRAY TO GOD SHE IS ALRIGHT.
Prayers to the Harrington’s and their extended family and friends. I believe that I have followed this case because I am a metal head and a mother. I remember how excited I was, how many overly intoxicated patrons I encountered and how high the energy was leading up to, during and after the concert.
I have no information regarding this case and I have no insights but I do have a question or 2 and wonder if anyone would comment.
1.) No video of Morgan anywhere, at the arena or anywhere in the surrounding area.
2.) There is at least one other female going to the concert that dresses up just as Morgan did.
Are the police positive she entered the arena at all? Are they sure that all sightings of Morgan was actually her?
All information regarding witnesses state ’someone fitting Morgan’s description’ ~ is it possible that she was not even there from the start?
I consider these questions only because the stories from the ‘friends’ and the eye witness accounts creep me out.
Being in a large arena ~ I would NOT leave my friends without having someone with me…I would be too nervous of losing them.
Maybe I am too naive.
Heavy Metal band and the color black go hand and hand. I can only imagine how many younger blond girls were there with black shirts, black minis and black boots.
Morgan’s pictures definitely show a lovely girl but in a large crowd ~ she would be just another face. There are many beautiful faces in the younger crowd.
I just wonder if she ever made it into the arena. I do not believe it is that easy to mistake a bathroom door and an exit door.
I post because I used to work with predators and had to get inside their heads so I could protect the innocent from their evil.
I have noticed that just about everyone has labeled the potential monster that has taken Morgan as “HE”. I have felt from the beginning the if there was foul play, females were involved…I fear for her because I have seen first hand the incredible brutality that can suddenly appear in females that only moments ago seemed perfectly harmless.
God Bless the Harringtons and Morgan. If she is alive, I hope she is surrounded in white light and found soon.
Peace to everyone here.
To Steph A
I’m sorry you feel so attacked. I wish people would stick to the subject on here. Psychic ability must be very intimidating to them.
Personally I believe in the power of prayer. If you are lending your prayers to the safe return of Morgan Harrington and sharing the common thread of unease and pain that I believe most parents feel with this case…you have every right to be here.
I hope you can find it within yourself to ignore individuals that have fallen from the true nature of this blog in order to bash you personally. They may feel that they are doing everyone else a favor but honestly…it’s old and has nothing to do with the horror of Morgan’s current situation.
Peace and Light.
Thanks, Rob. Here is a link to the event:
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=210655710428
Since this event happened with the Morgan disappearance it has been my greatest desire that she be brought home safe to her family. I began to visualize about this and felt that I saw these events happen and most of all hope my nightmare would not be truth. I regret that I posted my visions, but I feel comfortable to know that all visions or nightmares are not real and the truth is revealed in daylight. I hope this did not upset others and wanted to delete my posting.
I was unable to delete….and then received this reply on this site:
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Just The Facts- November 19th, 2009 | 5:17 pm
I looked up Ms. Officer after reading her post’s, and also viewed her photo, I believe she is wearing a weapon in it. I wonder the school she works for, do they know that she ‘while awake’ hears voices..and thinks she is communicating with the dead? She is protecting children at her employment?
Interesting… ya think?………
……..I will make sure that it is okay with your employer, I would not want to hear about a security guard with a gun.. shooting ‘voices’ in a school where there are children.
I will copy your post and forward..no worries though right? They promote your psycho babble? We will see…
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(First- No weapon….not sure where he saw that)
This is a threat and I don’t deal with sick creeps. You think you can send responses that threatens my job and my livelihood…bring it on, you coward. I am a valued member of my school staff and have worked in my job going on 2 years. Terrorism is not permitted on this site and I will see you are removed if you send me another post.
Stop the hatred- the arguing- the pitiful belittleing crap! Psychics vs non-psychics. Anything and everything is wanted- needed- yearned for. We all need to be 1 with this!! ONE!!! Its all for Morgan- period! Stick to the basics. BRING HER HOME!!
That was a threat, and you shouldn’t wait to request his removal, Steph A. So, I’m right behind Branwen up there, but I am asking you to pls stop encouraging them. I can tell you’re a kind lady and I’m sorry to see you get beat on like this but you just can’t let yourself be emotionally provoked on discussion boards, because you are always going to lose against self righteous emotional vampires like Just The Facts. You can’t win, b/c you can’t change their minds or affect them, and when you feed them, you encourage them to escalate their attacks. I hope you stay, Steph. Just no more feeding the blood suckers, okay? And you HAVE to ask admin to get your full name and other info off these boards so creepos can’t cyberstalk you home- which is, I’m sure you’ll agree, pretty disturbing behavior given the subject of the board we’re on. I am going to write admin about removing that info myself, but I’m sure they won’t do it until you confirm it’s what you want.
The Bible strongly warns people not to consult mediums and spiritists for the truth, but to inquire of God (Isaiah 8:19). Clearly, if those who practiced these arts have any power (beyond being great deceivers), it is not a gift from God (as some falsely claim). The Bible condemns and forbids these practices several times (Deuteronomy 18:9-14; Isaiah 44:25; Jeremiah 27:9; 2 Kings 21:6; 23:24). Divination and Spiritism were despised practices of the heathens (Ezekiel 21:21; Isaiah 19:3; 1 Samuel 28). Scripture says that one of the reasons King Saul died was “because he consulted a medium for guidance” rather than God (1 Chronicles 10:13-14).
i too wonder if she ever made it to the concert
look at the friends………….girls know everything their friends are doing
brother T.K, not everyone believes the same things you do. i for one am atheist, and i do believe in visions and whatnot. when the short girl’s (i can’t remember her first name, and i’m almost positive that her last name was short) body was found near a pond? a lake? some body of water a few years back, a friend of mine had had a dream that a girl’s body would be found near a body of water just days before she was found. she didn’t know who the girl was or where she was, but she had that dream and other similar dreams as well. you don’t have to believe in the power of psychics if that goes against your religion, but don’t argue about their powers on here as it does not relate to morgan harrington. same goes for the psychics. this isn’t the place to discuss views on religion, psychics, mediums, etc. and this isn’t supposed to be a war between psychics and those who don’t believe in them, we’re here to talk about morgan harrington, what happened to her, and other things related to her. let’s all do our part to keep the focus of this thread on her, and not whether or not psychics are real. no, steph should not have made her post so graphic, but she realizes her mistake and that’s what matters. so let’s get back to morgan, okay?
Interesting read . Note the conflict of interest the writer is referring to is an employee of “the Hook” and is also one of the witnesses in this case . Now ,delivery person does not meet STAFF requirements in my book , but I understand the concern .
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/11/19/morgan-harrington-case-separating-fact-from-fiction-part-i/#more-2821
Good Morning All, I see we still have the little verbal wars going on. What a shame! I just do not understand why people cannot resist making comments on others posts. And, I cannot understand why The Hook allows this.
I have not seen any updated news on Morgan. Have any of you?
I have emailed all my contacts asking that they light a candle tomorrow at nine. Most of my contacts are in NC and SC, but I have plenty in VA. So, I am hoping that we will have lots of candles burning from my part of this world.
I pray today and everyday for Morgan, her family, and her friends. I carry them close in my heart and my prayers.
God’s Blessings To Everyone!
Kathy
Anyone notice Miss Steph tried to get everyone to click into hack site?
Don’t click on that link she left!
K Here is your Genie.. Steph..
Motive $$$
Taken from: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:PaMbRyuAczUJ:spiritandtarotreadings.com/photos.html+%22Stephanie+Almaguer%22&cd=21&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
The page has been taken down..but if you cache it.. the page that used be says this:
My name is Stephanie Almaguer and I am a wife and mother of 3 children. I have been doing readings “non professionally” for many years - (In other words, free of charge to family, friends, and the friends of my friends) working full-time as an Officer for the School District. I still work for the School District, but have decided to take my gift “public” and do some good for everyone I could. Because each reading can take up a lot of spare time, I have decided to charge a fee, but it is NO WHERE near the cost of the fees some Psychic / Mediums may charge.
Oct 5, 2009 12:43:16 GMT.
I truely enjoy doing this and each time I contact someone who has “passed over”, it still amazes me and gives me such a good feeling when I am able to help someone get the answers the have been looking for or to just simply help to heal their grieving heart.
Not every reading will result in the connection that the client may be hoping for and if ever I perform a reading that a client feels was insufficient, Their fee will be 100% refundable. I do not “say” what I think someone wants to hear or simply “make-up” information. I am true to my work and my word and wish that each person claiming to perform was as honest.
Not only do I make Spiritual Connections, but I read the Tarot Cards as well. I find these very interesting and a wonderful tool to help a client in decision making. REFERENCES AVAILABLE
Spiritual Connection / Medium Fees:
(IN PERSON OR OVER THE TELEPHONE)
30 Minute Session $60.00
(1) One Hour $75.00
(BY EMAIL) - Flat fee of $50.00
Tarot Card Fees:
(IN PERSON,OVER THE TELEPHONE
OR BY EMAIL, ALL THE SAME PRICE)
One question or “specific” Advise $35
General “all around” Reading $50
quit feeding the trolls
Heads Up, I clicked and I did not see that it was a Hack Site.
Kaching, Do you really think your posting a copy of Stephanie’s Personal Page was necessary?
Why don’t you people leave her alone? It seems that you are more interested in arguing with her than in Morgan Harrington.
This site is open to everyone and their thoughts and opinions. Why bash others? You do not have to agree with them. But, good grief, you sure do not have to take up time and space trying to disprove them. People on here are mature enough to make their own decisions and do their own investigations on another person if that is what they want to do.
And, do not smart mouth me because I really do not care. I am just sick of this ongoing crap.
It’s not personal..it’s an advertisement on the internet.
I am not bashing… I am exposing.
The space here is limitless..until the 15th, skip my post’s if you don’t like them. I will NOT turn away from posting the truth about those that attempt victimize the families of the missing.
I will stop now, As you wish.. I have made my point.
(and btw) it “IS” a hacking site, I am sorry your pc didn’t recognize it.
Bravo, Kaching!
Interesting read . Note the conflict of interest the writer is referring to is an employee of “the Hook” and is also one of the witnesses in this case . Now ,delivery person does not meet STAFF requirements in my book , but I understand the concern .
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Doesn’t it say that the delivery person has a relative on staff at the Hook? That doesn’t seem to be much of a conflict of interest to me. Sometimes it seems as though half of Central Virginia is related to one another. I’m assuming that a newspaper delivery person on U.Va.’s grounds at 4 am is delivering the Washington Post.
MORGAN HARRINGTON
WHERE IS MORGAN HARRINGTON
SOMEBODY OUT THERE KNOWS
DID SOME COWARD DO HER HARM
HER CASE HOW COLD IT GROWS
WENT TO A CONCERT AT UVA
DURING THE SHOW SHE WENT OUTSIDE
SHE COULDN’T GET BACK IN
HER ACCESS WAS DENIED
SHE’S ONLY TWENTY YEARS OF AGE
BLONDE HAIR AND EYES OF BLUE
SHE IS FIVE FOOT SIX IN HEIGHT
SOME ONE MUST HOLD THE CLUE
MORGANS FAMILY WANT HER HOME
WHAT IF IT WERE A CHILD OF YOURS
WHERE IS YOUR CONSCIENCE NOW
YOU MUST OPEN UP SOME DOORS
IT SURELY MUST TEAR AT YOUR HEART
YOU MUST CONFESS YOUR CRIME
WHAT MADE YOU HARM THIS GIRL
CALL THE POLICE ITS NOW THE TIME
LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE DONE
HER FAMILY NEED TO KNOW
THEY HAVE SUFFERED LONG ENOUGH
FOR THEIR HEARTS MUST BE HOLLOW
SO NOW THEY AWAIT YOUR CALL
IT’S THE RIGHT THING FOR YOU TO DO
TURN YOUR SELF IN RIGHT AWAY
ITS ALL NOW UP TO YOU
IF SHE’S ALIVE PLEASE LET HER GO
WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS WRONG
WE ALL PRAY THAT SHE IS SAFE
SHE HAS BEEN GONE FAR TO LONG
POEM BY RITA C BENSON
PASS IT ON KEEP IT GOING TILL SHE IS FOUND
NOV 17TH 2009
YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES….I am Steph A’s sister. I have read these bloggs and kept quiet, but I sat up with her lastnight while she was in tears. She regrets that she ever posted on ANY blogg. The “Internet Advertisment” You posted above wasn’t even created by her, personally. Our Family has encouraged her to use, what WE believe is a gift - publically - and she has always denied. I FOUND THE WEB PAGE that allowed you to set up a FREE website trial for 30 days, and tried creating one for her… When I showed the page to her, she was furious with me….For one, she said she absolutely no time with her F/T job and Family to devote or commit herself to the public AND Secondly, that’s not what it’s about….making money. She has always maintained and believed that if she had something of value she could give away for free, that would or could help someone else, she would do it…and not just in doing readings, but she applies this standard to all aspects of her life. I convinced her to just leave the site up for the free 30 day trial. Whether she did or deleted it before then, I don’t know….I just know that she deleted it pretty quickly after I created it.
You - NONE OF YOU - have a clue as to her true motives here - only speculation as to YOUR beliefs. There was no motive, other than to try and present her view on the events surrounding Morgan Harrington, with hopes that maybe someone reading it would regognize something familular in it…..Nothing more, nothing less. We (her family) encouraged her to post, and wish we hadn’t. This entire “missing person’s” situation, and her desire to help has so, so much more to do with her own personal experiences than you have a clue to. Her husbands brother’s (two of them) have been missing now, for 4 years. It has torn his Family apart. He also encouraged her to try and help other’s - so that they will not suffer as he and his family continue to suffer today. She has spent many sleepless nights over posting her comments and has even asked the Admins of the site to remove all of her postings, with out luck.
She will overcome this - She is strong and has overcome much tougher situations, including Cancer….I know she can and will get through this. She just wants Morgan found and for her Family to be at peace. That’s all. I ask you all, please - please, leave her alone. And if the admin. to this site are reading, she really just wants her name, postings, etc..etc..removed and to be free from the harrassment, name calling, and threats she has and continues to receive. Thank you
Why are the four Virginia basketball players getting a free pass? They were possibly the last to be seen with her, and it’s like everyone skips over that. I’ve had a bad feeling about them from the start. If they are free to talk, why dont’t they.
Anyway, my families prayers are with the Harringtons.
John
Good to hear from Steph A.’s “sister.” spiritandtarotreadings.com was registered in the name of Stephanie Almaguer on August 5, 2009. Cached views of webpages from the site are available from October 2 and 5, 2009.
Yes, a long 30 days… lol
K.. Most know the truth here..
Clean-up! isle 7*
john - why are you assuming they have something to hide? if they were suspicious or their stories did not check out, the police would be all over them. nobody cares that they play ball; the uva team is not kentucky and there is little chance someone is withholding info to protect uva players. Im sure they have been checked out, including the 12 hours after their interaction with MH. quite frankly, the players are not that important and i doubt casteen is going to cover up anything, he hates sports.
John - I feel the same. They should be treated as any other witness. Some witnesses answered questions for hours. Why is “up to them” to go and answer police questions. By their actions so far, I think they should be hooked up to a lie detector.
Also Steph A and Steph A’s sister. Not everyone is against her/you. You need to know that it is just not is some people’s nature to trust anything but what seems more logical or tangible. If you think you have a gift then use it. I know you were just trying to help, and you seem to have a good heart.
just saying, it seems quite odd, four guys (last to be seen with her), and they have nothing to say to anyone. Has any one heard them make a statement about that night. Were they with Morgan, and if they were, what did they do? Where did they leave her?
I’m sure the police know these answers, I just wish we did..
Each potential witness, I am certain will be interviewed.. that is faith speaking :)
If you feel you must share..Send your images to the police.. don’t post them on boards where the family/friends can read them… please!
Steph A -
You said the letter “A” rings a bell…I think one of the girls there that night was named Amy.
Kat and John, what makes you say that the basketball players have not spoken to the police? The UVa spokeswoman said “we leave it to them whether they want to speak publicly,” but that quote followed a sentence suggesting that the Hook was sending emails to the players to ask them questions — thus it’s pretty clear Carol Wood meant that “speak publicly” means “make statements to the public via the Hook.”
It seems you’re just assuming that the players have not spoken to the police, with no evidence that they have not.
Are you also complaining that Morgan’s friends have not made public statements?
I did not say the basketball players didn’t speak with police. I’m sure they have. What I am saying is……… if it were four random guys last seen with a missing girl, their pictures would be all over town, with people wanting to know their every turn that night. It seems to me the public is giving them a pass. I just want to know their every move that night. I want them to tell me what kind of condition they left Morgan in. And I want to know why they left her to fend for herself. And yes, Hoolarious, I would like her friends to say something also.
Just frustrated
“if it were four random guys last seen with a missing girl, their pictures would be all over town, with people wanting to know their every turn that night. It seems to me the public is giving them a pass. I just want to know their every move that night. I want them to tell me what kind of condition they left Morgan in. And I want to know why they left her to fend for herself.”
and why would it be AT ALL appropriate for four (I don’t know what you mean by “random”) presumably innocent guys to have their pictures plastered all over town and to be interrogated by total strangers as to “their every turn”? what on earth would make that kind of invasion of privacy appropriate?
imagine your son was among a group of people who were apparently the last to see a person who later turned up missing. your son tells the police everything he knows. the police decline to call him a suspect and treat him like any other witness. would you support plastering your son’s picture all over town/the internet as “random guy who was the last to see so-and-so alive” and would you welcome the public’s interrogation of him (”what was your every move? etc.)?
I never said it was appropriate to plaster their pictures all over town. What I did say was, ” if it were four random guys last seen with a missing girl, their pictures would be all over town, with people wanting to know their every turn that night.” Appropriate, no. But it happens time and time again. These guys last seen with Morgan, no one even knows their name.. Just seems odd to me. It’s obviously a bigger issue for me than you Hoolarious, no big deal. I just cant get over the fact, that if she was with them, why did they let her go on her own, what kind of condition did they leave her in? Is there any accountability?
but where did you read that she was “with” them? all I’ve read is that they were the last to *see* her. and honestly, I think that’s all you’ve actually read too–but the difference is that you are reading more into it. it’s just like Frank (above) asking about their “involvement.” people are assuming that if four basketball players were the last to see her, then they were “with” her and “involved.” I think this kind of slippage is coming disturbingly easy to some people.
also, so you feel it would not be appropriate to have them all over the public eye, yet you seem to lament that this inappropriate invasion of privacy is NOT happening.
Actually what I have read from the Charlottesville newspaper was “the last people to speak with her from 9:10 PM – 9:20 PM have been identified as University of Virginia basketball players. Not “see”, but “talk” to. So no “slippage” here. If they indeed “talked”, how was she? Thats all I want to know….. Like I siad earlier, obviously a more important factor for me than you…..No big deal..
We are all worried about Morgan and her family. As a father of five I want to know every and anything about my kids. And to me, as a father, the last people to “talk” to my kid, I would want to know every detail..
I completely agree with WhiteRaven’s post. Is there any PROOF Morgan actually was in Charlottesville that day, let alone the venue?
I am having a hard time understanding why absolutely no pictures, either still shots taken by her friends, or a random shot taken by other concert goers, or any video has surfaced?
I am having a hard time believing none of her friends took any group shots or road trip pictures on the way to the concert, and even more of a hard time believing that she wasn’t captured on any video cameras at the venue. If this brand new $131 million dollar JPJ arena doesn’t have video cameras recording each and every exit, as well as all the ticket windows during events, they would be setting themselves up for a major heist.
There are only three possibilities that I can think of to explain this:
1) There is something in the pictures that positively id the subject as Morgan, and LE is keeping them from the public to use that to verify sightings from tipsters, as they did with the necklace at first. I know JPJ allows cameras for all UVA events; does anyone know if Metalica allowed cameras at their shows?
Or
2) Morgan never was actually at the venue.
Or
3) Morgan is a ninja and was able to dodge all the cameras.
why is everyone questioning LE just because they aren’t making everything public? guys, if LE made all evidence and every answer to every question public, there would be no way to tell the difference between real testimonies and false ones. we all have questions that we want answered, but sometimes unanswered questions are what’s best for the case. they are trained to handle things like this.
they have talked to the basketball players and the friends morgan was with. just because it’s not public doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. these people are students in college! i don’t know how many of you go/have been to college, but it’s very time consuming. the basketball players are probably disturbed that they were the last to see a missing girl, and morgan’s friends are grieving because they don’t know where their friend is. these things are probably already taking a toll on their school work alone. i see WHY they don’t want to go public with their testimonies.
Ross
I asked these same questions (well, not the ninja one…LOL) in the beginning. To date I have received no answers. I cannot imagine a bunch of girls going to a concert, dressed out of their norm, did not take pics of each other, and/or a group pic. I also cannot believe that the arena does not have cameras all over (I will check the next time I go)and that there was not just one with Morgan in it. One more thing that I find strange is that every time I have been there cops have been all over the place, inside and outside. I cannot imagine if something was going on with Morgan that someone did not see something. Especially if she went outside and was trying to re-enter. Of course, I have not been to a concert of this kind. I am sure that the security was much heavier at this concert than the ones that I have been to.
“And to me, as a father, the last people to “talk” to my kid, I would want to know every detail..”
Of course you would. But you’re not Morgan’s father (as far as I know). And you’re lamenting, you’re frustrated, that you personally as well as the rest of the public do not know “their every move that night.”
I would be interested in seeing a link to the issue of the Charlottesville newspaper that said “speak,” not “see.” I’ve only seen “speak” in headlines on sites like scaredmonkeys.com, which is not a news source.
Morgan Harrington’s disappearance is frightening and sad. But I’m very suspicious when interest seems to settle so persistently on young black men, especially when those young men appear (in the accounts I’ve read) not to have done anything more than see her. That includes Frank, above, asking “Did the UVA basketball players do something to Morgan Harrington?”, some idiot woman on another thread concluding that the players must have raped and murdered her, “it’s the only logical conclusion,” and you lamenting the fact that these guys aren’t upon a podium being grilled publicly.
“I asked these same questions (well, not the ninja one…LOL) in the beginning. To date I have received no answers.”
Kathy,the thing is no one is obliged to answer your questions. You like everyone else here are a random voice on the internet, not someone who has anything what so ever to do with this investigation.
The people who DO have something to do with the investigation most likely have their reasons for proceeding as they have done. You are certainly free to apply for one of those jobs if you think you are qualified. I suspect you will need some training before they take you seriously no matter what.
Well, let me see………….No, I did not say a thing about getting any answers from the people on here.
Why are you being such a smart talking jerk to me? And, I was not even talking to you.
If you are looking for another person to attack since Stephanie is not here, you are looking in the wrong place.
Have A Blessed Day!
Props to The Hook (I don’t say that often) for printing details of that night that somehow have avoided the attention of the Cavalier Daily and C-Ville weekly. I challenged the Cav Daily Ombudsman to explain this in a comment I left on their website that I’ll copy below. Lets all keep praying that Morgan will be found alive and well asap, and keep our eyes and ears open.
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It’s really remarkable how many people there are around here that leave insulting remarks about someone, yet somehow forget to attach their own name to their own words, isn’t it?
I’ve just read my two comments here again, and I stand by them. I wasn’t insulting Lauren by pointing out a few facts that she obviously was not aware of. Nor was I attacking her by challenging a few of the things she wrote. She’s an adult now, and I daresay she can handle a little debate. At least I hope so. Reminding people that nobody is more important than anyone else does not make me the bad guy. And reminding her that she should play well with others and not apply group guilt to her entire surroundings doesn’t make me anything other than someone taking on prejudice and elitism.
I don’t hate UVA. I’m actually quite thankful it’s here. I have dozens of good friends who now or in the recent past have attended or worked at UVA. I have assisted a few UVA organizations with a few projects. I have spilled my blood defending a UVA professor - a close friend - from an attacker on the downtown mall. I share a tiny 2 bedroom apartment with a female UVA undergraduate student. I coach a city Little League team with a UVA professor. I have shared a bed with three female UVA students who were all way over my head in the body, mind, and soul departments. I love the AFC, the JPJ, and all the libraries. I have volunteered hundreds of hours with a UVA fellowship. I attend UVA soccer, hoops, and football games and sing the good ole song with my alumni tailgate buddies. I am not the one being defensive here, folks!
But this is not about me, or Lauren, or some dude saying nasty stuff from his wheelchair. This is about a very nasty cover up that the Cavalier Daily is actively playing a part in. The coverage of this “story” and others is a diversion away from the really big, breaking story of how details of Morgan Harrington’s last few sightings the night she vanished have been hushed up so as to not cast “The University” in a bad light. And if I am the only one who finds it revolting, than so be it.
Yes, Mr. anonymous poster above, I DO you think the Cavalier Daily has some sort of agenda in not publishing details about Morgan Harrington because they feel it would damage the University. It isn’t a preposterous suggestion, it is a direct accusation. I have challenged the ombudsman to comment on why these details printed in The Hook (props to them) somehow never made it onto the pages of the Cav Daily. He doesn’t seem to be as eager to respond to those questions as he was to defend Lauren, now is he?
There is a well established policy at UVA to promote the “The University” as a happy, serene, and elegant place of higher learning. Fair enough. But when that includes covering up things, especially when the cover up involves details of a missing woman’s last whereabouts, then I simply say that it is unacceptable. It’s not that this is new, of course. A UVA police officer can be assaulted by a drunk student facing multiple felony charges. Not a word of it was printed in the CD. That’s bad for UVA’s image. A male student committed suicide last semester, but that story was buried in a little blurb article on page 3 or 4. Get it?
Now we have the saturation coverage of a missing woman that somehow has avoided any whisper of the facts that some people clearly do not want others to know:
1. Morgan Harrington was reported by multiple witnesses to have been in the company of UVA basketball players near U-Hall the night she vanished. Since then, one of the players has taken an “indefinite leave of absence,” and another has been suspended for three games for “conduct detrimental to the team.”
2. A woman who delivers papers on the Lawn has reported seeing Harrington in the company of three men at 3:45 am. Students who live in the area have decided to remain anonymous and not speak publicly about it. None of the three men (nor the woman) spotted that night have come forward to explain anything.
Now then, do I know if these sightings are accurate - or if there is any connection to any of it to Morgan’s disappearance? Of course I don’t. But what I DO know is this. It took nearly a MONTH for these details to be printed in The Hook, and they have never appeared in the Cav Daily at all - in spite of the great number of articles and OTHER details that they have printed at length that, curiously, did NOT suggest that she interacted with UVA folks that night.
WHY?
If this isn’t a cover up protecting “The University,” then what exactly is the reason these very important details were hushed up until now? How on earth could these details ever have been considered “not news” by anyone, anywhere!?
Who wants to bet that this cover up did not emanate from the basement of newcomb? Who wants to bet that the guy up on Carr’s Hill has been rather active in keeping things from view? And what the hell are these folks on the Lawn and in the athletics department using for an excuse for not coming forward publicly and explaining every detail they can remember from that night? I don’t care what coke and sex party was happening, or whatever else. Nobody will care. THAT is the stuff going on all over the place that is NOT NEWS. All that matters right now is getting every imaginable detail out and about in the hope that one shred of it might help find this poor girl.
TO HELL with keeping a good face on “The University,” and to hell with those who are just protecting themselves.
So lets hear it, Mr. Ombudsman. Do your job. Explain to all of us why NONE of this has appeared in the Cavalier Daily in the past month.
Who are you protecting?
On behalf of who?
Has anyone approached the editors and told them not to print these details? Who?
Why?
Maybe we need a refresher course here:
“This institution will be based on the illimitable freedom of the human mind. For here we are not afraid to follow truth wherever it may lead, nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is left free to combat it.” Thomas Jefferson.
There. Anybody have any questions? I answer questions. We’ll see if the Ombudsman does soon enough. I may be the most defensive, aggressive, contemptuous, acerbic (I had to look that one up, Aaron), uneducated, bitter jerk in Virginia - but I’m still the one asking the questions that need to be answered. And it’s long overdue.
Sean Cannan.
Kudos, Sean. The Cav Daily is a worthless rag, and only makes candidness a priority when it allows racist cartoons onto its funnies page. It is simply a PR apparatus for the University leadership. Same goes for the Daily Progress (note the gigantic UVA banner ads on its front page). Have you noticed that their coverage has also been lacking?
UVA is a fantastic school, no doubt. But its leadership are a bunch of wimps too scared to address important issues head-on. Casteen is transitioning out of his role as president, but he is STILL the president. What say you, John?
When will UVA give a statement about Harrington’s disappearance, the flawed policies of JPJ arena, the connection between the UVA basketball players and Harrington’s disappearance, and the curious fact that several have left the team?
Why is it that UVA’s athletic entertainers do whatever they want around here?
The student body and the community of Charlottesville are demanding answers, and we will not rest until they are forthcoming.
“Well, let me see………….No, I did not say a thing about getting any answers from the people on here.
Why are you being such a smart talking jerk to me? And, I was not even talking to you.
If you are looking for another person to attack since Stephanie is not here, you are looking in the wrong place.
Have A Blessed Day!”
Did you miss NO ONE? No one owes you an answer to anything about this case. That means no police, no family, no basketball players or other witnesses, no one. BTW, when you post on a blog, you are”talking” to anyone with eyes and a computer who wishes to look.
Have a blessed day.
First Hoolarious, I never even remotely mentioned race. I could care less, what I want and obviously alot of other people do to is the basketball players, whom ever they are (we dont know because we have never been told) to be accoutable. Like I have said a couple of times already, not a big factor for you. To me it leaves alot of questions to be asked. I still feel like they are getting a pass from the public.
Good night all……..God Bless
John
Per dad, Morgan left home around noon and called him around 2PM from Harrisonburg with a safe arrival call. What did these supposed friends do for the next 5 hours or so until the concert started?
No police comment that says Morgan was IDENTIFIED outside of JPJ. Only someone matching her description. Big difference.
hmmmmmm
@Hoolarious — I am asking very reasonable questions that stem from the statements of our law enforcement professionals. These questions are logical to ask, given how incomplete the information is. Tell us, Hoolarious, why are you so disinterested in what interaction the basketball players had with Morgan Harrington? Why do you insist that they only saw her but did not speak to her? Official word from law enforcement was that they “interacted.” You must know something that we don’t, for you to be so vehement in their defense. What is YOUR connection to UVA basketball, anyway? Are you on the team?
John, YOU want the basketball players to be ACCOUNTABLE? Accountable for what? Have they been charged? I don’t believe so. From what we know some players (have heard 2, 3 or 4) saw/talked to/interacted with someone who looked like Morgan. We do not know whether or not they are the people who reported seeing someone who looked like Morgan on the bridge. Which of the 16 do you want to be accountable? There are 16 young men on the roster for 2009-2010. Two are currently not participating, one for personal reasons, another is suspended for 3 games for violating team rules. Having lived in this college town all my life, I know that this happens every year, both in men and women’s sports. A spokesperson for the team has said that the two players currently not participating are not the ones who were in the parking lot. If, and I can’t say that strongly enough, if any member of the team or anyone else connected with the UVa community had anything to do with the disappearance of this young woman, I want him/her brought to justice. But to say you want someone held accountable is at the least assuming a connection and at the worst insinuating guilt where none, for now, exists. And we wonder why people hesitate to become involved when something like this happens.
April, you said:
“A spokesperson for the team has said that the two players currently not participating are not the ones who were in the parking lot.”
Can you provide a link to this statement, and give us the name of the team spokesperson?
Sorry, I try to be accurate, it was a UVa spokesperson as quoted from the Newsplex website. “However, UVa’s spokesperson, Carol Wood, confirms that the suspension and leave of absense of two players on the basketball team has nothing to do with the Morgan Harrington case saying in an email, “These actions are in no way connected to Morgan’s disappearance.”
Kathy, thanks for your esponse to my questions. Do not let the negativity of CC get to you.
As far as my post, CC, I realize that LE has reasons to keep information hidden, and stated that in my post. This being said, I still find it unfathomable there has been NO, ZERO, ABSOLUTELY NO evidence that Morgan was in Charlottesville. I have had some experience working with LE as a consultant, and am pretty sure that if they had photographic evidence, they would make public the information that such eveidence existed, even if they didn’t release the evidence itself to the public.
I am not saying that Morgan did not “involuntarily” vanish, just I don’t beleive Charlottesville had anything to do with it.
Well, I do wish you would be more accurate. Carol Wood used the word “disappearance” not the word “case”. Naturally, the players have nothing to do with Harrington’s disappearance (at least we hope), but she did not speak to the question of whether the suspensions are related, generally, to the Harrington case. Perhaps Carol Wood should clarify the difference?