Brick-a-brac: City to sell old Mall skin to public
published 4:33pm Monday Feb 2, 2009
Old Mall bricks being stacked on pallets to be sold at the City’s monthly surplus property sale.PHOTO BY DAVE MCNAIR
Update 2/5/09: The City has made a decision on what to charge for the bricks at the surplus property sale tomorrow: $5 each and you can buy up to 10 bricks.
“Only a small portion of the bricks will be sold in this manner,” says Luchard. “The majority of the bricks will be sold either by Invitation for Bids or by online auction.”
Luchard also says that one local citizen has expressed interest in buying 10,000 bricks.Â
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City planners have finally made a definitive decision about what to do with the Downtown Mall’s old bricks. While most of the damaged ones will be ground up and used for trail cover, says planning chief Jim Tolbert, thousands of intact bricks will be sold to the public online and at the City’s monthly surplus property sale, which is held on the first Friday of every month from 12pm to 3pm.
According to Jennifer Luchard, the City’s procurement manager, demo crews have been stacking intact bricks on pallets and will haul them down to the City Yard on 4th Street tomorrow. Luchard says they hope to have some ‘unclean’ bricks–bricks with mortar still attached to them–available for sale this Friday, with pallets of clean bricks available beginning next month.
Luchard says there has been considerable interest in the bricks, from individuals who simply want a single brick, to contractors wanting several pallets to use for their projects. Luchard says they are still debating how much to charge for the bricks.
“We want to try to sell them in small amounts, for people who just want a piece of history or add to their patios, “says Luchard, “but we’re also going to sell them in larger lots.”
The larger lots, says Luchard, will be sold on the government surplus auction website Govdeals.com. There is also a plan to invite bids on sections of the brick that have yet to be removed, selling the spoils to the highest bidder.
Luchard says the city has already salvaged an estimated 8,000 clean bricks, but did not have a count yet on the unclean bricks, many of which have yet to be removed. There are an estimated 375,000 bricks on the Mall, and as city planners said before the project began, 80 percent of them appeared to be in good shape.
Indeed, some felt that the bricks were in such good shape that they should have been re-used for the $7.5 million project itself, including City Councilor Satyendra Huja.
“First, we need to use the bricks we have,” Huja said last June, before eventually approving the project, “clean them up, and reuse them. This will save money and preserve the character of the Mall.”
At a packed public meeting on the project last July (Tolbert said it was the biggest crowd that had ever assembled at City Space), most felt that the exiting Mall bricks simply needed to be repaired.
The biggest applause of the evening, along with a few hoots and hollers, went to City resident David RePass, who questioned the basic rationale of the project.
“We have been told that the Mall renovation, quote, ‘will preserve the original design.’ Well, that’s not true,” he said. “A fundamental part of the design has been discarded: the mortar between the bricks.”
The new bricks are being laid in sand, without mortar, which city planners have said will make them easier to install and maintain.
“It scares me that you didn’t think of reusing the existing brick,” said another speaker at the July public meeting, his voice rising in indignation as he pointed out that most of the bricks, according to the city’s own planners, were in good condition.
As Tolbert predicted, many of the old bricks are being destroyed or damaged by the removal process, which, in the interest of keeping the 5-month project on schedule, has involved scraping them up with a small back hoe and piling them into a dump truck with a front-end loader. But now that the decision to sell them has been made, crews appear to be handling their removal more carefully.







What a débâcle. Does the sale price (including all commission, and administrative and related costs) of a still-good brick approach the cost of buying a new one?
This seems like what I would call a tax on stupid people? The public, a/k/a taxpayers, has already paid for the bricks once. Now they are going to pay for them again? IMHO, the bricks should be given to city residents FREE, on a first come, first serve basis.
So, the city isn’t doing any work to the concrete underlayment, and 80% of the bricks are fine, but this is costing taxpayers upwards of $7,000,000?!?!??
Looks to me like time for some real investigative journalism.
Looks to me like time for some good old fashioned tarring and feathering.
Remember that 100% of the speakers during the City Council public hearing on the Mall redevelopment supported the project. The downtown businesses pushed strongly for this project because they know the Mall needed a major overhaul, not just the bricks. And they know better than anyone. In many cases they have their life savings invested in their businesses and we all need to trust that they understand and appreciate the necessity of good infrastructure for maintaining a good business environment. Which unfortunately costs money but it will last for many years to come and will be much easier and cheaper to maintain. This is a good long-term investment of city funds.
Maybe the wealthy guy out in Keswick who bought the Mall kiosk to use as a pool house will buy the PERFECTLY GOOD bricks and build a patio with them. This is incredibly wasteful on the part of the city. Those bricks have many potential uses– perhaps as a path in one of our parks.
Does anyone know anything about the infrastructure repairs that are supposedly taking place?
It sure sounds good, but I just don’t buy it! I can’t imagine any person investing their entire life savings into a business on the downtown mall in Charlottesville. IMHO, they need some serious investment counseling.
Think for a minute folks. How are you going to lay used, mortar-encrusted brick in sand? The whole point of sand is that the bricks must be tight up against each other. I haven’t gone to any meetings, and even I can figure that out by looking at the sections that have been done.
“Remember that 100% of the speakers during the City Council public hearing on the Mall redevelopment supported the project.” How many speakers were and how does that number compare with the number who called, wrote or emailed Council in opposition. As for the downtown merchants, they’re always asking for welfare and now many of them are complaining about their loss of customers during the construction. Too bad the merchants didn’t listen to Oliver Kuttner’s advice to just repair the mortar between the bricks and save millions and retain thousands of shoppers. It’s a shame that people now are so eager to receive tax payers’ money that they don’t think. Now some of them are asking for a new parking garage when shoppers are telling them that they don’t want to pay for parking.
Colfer– I’m referring to the clean bricks referenced in the article above, and assume others are as well.
I see no reason why the City can’t use them in another project, or to enhance a park so that they can be enjoyed by all. They’re lovely, an unusual size and shape, and somewhat historic in that they were purchased as part of the original Halprin mall design. Re-adapt, reuse, recycle. Selling them off piece meal, or to the highest bidder, seems stupid.
So, More Than One Side, just what “major overhaul” do you think the Mall needed and why? Something other than new brick? What do you think the citizens are getting other than that anyway? I’d also be very interested in any figures you have that might suggest that maintaing the mall as it should have been maintained would cost anything even close to what this bs costs.
Colfer’s point about laying mortar encrusted brick in sand completely misses the point. All that needed to happen was to repoint. It is done to brick work the world over on a regular basis. A small crew could have done that with little disruption and significantly less cost, even in the long run.
The city officials that let the Mall fall into disrepair should be fired for their negligence and wastefulness. They’ll probably follow the lead of the banking industry though and give themselves bonuses for their failures.
Stop your whining and vote these idiots out of office. If they can’t do the job to your satisfaction then replace them. What could be simpler?
It’s not that easy, Horace. All of the voters in Charlottesville will vote for whatever Democrat is on the ballot. It doesn’t matter if the Democrats nominate Bonnie and Clyde as their candidates of choice, the sheepel will flock to the polls and vote Democratic.
And yes, I am just as guilty as those I speak of. :)
I’m not quite seeing the problem with selling the bricks. City Council decided to spend $7 million on the rebricking project. Not too many people are happy about that, but they made that decision and the project is now underway. So now they’re selling the old bricks. Presumably, this will bring in a little money that will help defray the costs of the project. I’m not dumb enough to think it’ll bring in enough money to make a huge difference, but if somebody wants to pay for a souvenir brick, I think that’s a good thing for the taxpayers who are footing the $7 million.
[...] The Hook reported that the city will sell the bricks that are being removed from the Downtown Mall. Â The price of the bricks is still undecided but the sale will begin this month at the city’s surplus property sale and they will also be available online. Â How much do you think they will charge? Â What would you be willing to pay for a brick? Â Â Â [...]