Woodson gets 5 more charges

The 19-year-old charged in the shootings that shut down I-64 for more than six hours last week picked up five additional charges for discharging a firearm. Batesville resident Slade A. Woodson appeared in Albemarle General District Court this morning via video hookup, his second court appearance in two days. He currently faces 15 felony charges in Albemarle stemming from firing into occupied vehicles on I-64, and two felony charges in Waynesboro for shooting into a house and at a bank.

A gasp was heard in court when Commonwealth's Attorney Denise Lunsford announced the five additional charges for discharging a weapon. Three are for firing from a vehicle so as to endanger people, and two are for firing into an occupied dwelling.

The Newsplex and NBC29 both filed motions to have cameras in the court to tape Woodson on the monitor. Retired Judge Paul Peatross agreed to allow one TV camera, one tape recorder, and one still photographer.

The hearing today was to provide Woodson with counsel. When Peatross asked him if he'd like to hire an attorney, Woodson replied, "No sir, I would like a court-appointed lawyer." The teen listed his assets as $100 to $200, and several vehicles. "They're old," he told the judge, mentioning a Dodge, an Isuzu Rodeo and a car. He estimated the vehicles were worth less than $1,500.

Woodson allegedly was driving a 1974 orange AMC Gremlin in the Waynesboro shootings. That vehicle was found abandoned on U.S. 29 just south of the Greene County line, and police found .22 bullet casings that matched ballistics from the March 27 shootings.

In further developments, NBC29 identified the man shot at Yonder Hill Farm during the March 28 arrest of Woodson as farm manager Edgar Dawson. Dawson's attorney, John Zwerling, says his client is in serious, but stable condition, with a tube coming out of his stomach, and his hands and chest are bandaged.

According to Zwerling, Dawson had a gun and was defending his home when police came in at 4:48am March 28. At this time, Albemarle police have not released the name of the officer, now on paid leave, who shot Dawson, but they are expected to release more details later today.

A 16-year-old arrested in the shootings continues to be detained after a closed hearing in Charlottesville Albemarle Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court yesterday.
–PHOTOS COURTESY WINA

41 comments

quote: "Albemarle police have not released the name of the officer..."

Just another rookie, with 6 years under his belt.

AND UMM HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

6 years in law enforcement doesn't make you a rookie

Most certainly does, in my book. A cop isn't a seasoned veteran officer until at least their 10th year.

I guess you think a cop is a seasoned veteran as soon as he gets cut loose from FTO training and rookie probation? HAHAHA!

Janet, it's common knowledge.

I see even the media knows now as well. Somebody must have let it leak.

He's a nice young man, he should get probation or an ankle bracelet.

APRIL FOOLS FRY HIS ASS!

I want to know more about the upbringing-background for both of the boys. Mark my word, there is USUALLY a huge tie in with this sort of behavior. I heard the clip of Woodson in court. He didn't sound remorseful, concerned, or afraid. You know how you can hear fear in a person's voice...STRANGE

So how many years did you have on the job before you started impersonating officers. I know you had some time with the Greene County sheriffs office, then you were arrested in Albemarle or Charlottesville for impersonation. Then there was the impersonation incident in Alexandria. I'm not saying your guilty of anything. I'm just saying someone with a record like that should look in the mirror a little harder before he says things to other people. A police officer in a major city will be an experienced officer a lot faster than an officer in a very small town where nothing ever happens.

I also find it hypocritical that you constantly post a link to badcopnews.com when you were the subject of an article in badcopnews.com.

The article you post from www.badcopnews.com is about a cop suing other cops. I guess www.badcopnews.com finds this newsworthy. The Daily Progress and local Channel 19 also found it newsworthy. Cops being forced to sue other cops, who would have thunk it?

Personally, I think www.badcopnews.com should be required daily reading for any American who has a computer and internet access. If I am ever elected president www.badcopnews.com will be required daily reading. I will appoint a "secretary of www.badcopnews.com ." Failing to read www.badcopnews.com on a daily basis will become a federal crime for any person over the age of 18 and will be punishable by a fine. The www.badcopnews.com link will be printed on all tax return checks. It will also be printed on Social Security checks. And the www.badcopnews.com link will appear in a national public information message on television channel.

Face it buddy, the amount of cops being arrested nationwide for preying on children is at an epidemic proportion. Those stealing, committing fraud, wrecking their police cars while driving under the influence and using drugs is at epidemic proportions too. If you don't believe me, just read www.badcopnews.com on a daily basis. :)

quote: "A police officer in a major city will be an experienced officer a lot faster than an officer in a very small town where nothing ever happens."

I certainly agree with you on this. But even in a major city 6 years does not necessarily make a seasoned experienced veteran officer. It totally depends on what sector of the major city the cop is assigned to.

If you have to undergo triple bypass coronary surgery, do you want a surgeon with 6 years experience? Or do you want a surgeon with 25 years of hands on experience? Interesting question, huh? I wonder if people can request a seasoned veteran officer with 15 years service when calling 911 for assitance? Damn shame they can't.

Furthermore, answering car crash calls, domestic calls, trespassing calls, rabid raccon calls, shoplifting calls, suspicious person calls, a man in the front yard in his underwear call, a car blocking a driveway call, etc... does not make a seasoned experienced veteran officer. And these types of calls are just about all that ever happens in Charlottesville and Albemarle County, with an occasional murder or rape tossed in.

Mr. Rambo,
What would make or be classified as a good experienced officer in this area? Your point of view is interesting to me, but all officers start as unexperienced. It's a must, so should it be held against them. What is the level of experience of most of the officers around here? If the rampages against officers continue, will officers leave their jobs causing us to have a large number of officers with less experience? I pose this question to anyone, not just Mr. Rambo. I have to wonder why they do their job....is it worth the constant verbal attack. I will have to say my contact has been postive in the short time I have lived here.

quote: "...will officers leave their jobs causing us to have a large number of officers with less experience?"

This particular area has already arrived at this point, IMHO. Most of the remaining "seasoned veteran officers" I talk to are counting their days until retirement. Some could tell you how many years, months, days and hours they have left to go. Some could tell you they have debated early retirment and considered the penalties involved in such. And those who are in the position to debate me on this point know I am speaking the truth whether they admit it publicly or not.

And on the other side of the coin, there's a few who hope to make it to retirement because they are afraid their past might catch up to them before they are able to sign their retirement papers. One had this conversation with a bail bondsman at the local magistrate's office about this very thing not long ago.

quote: "What would make or be classified as a good experienced officer in this area?"

You are asking for an opinion. My opinion is that an officer is experienced after 10 to 15 years on the job. There's no debate that rookie officers with 4, 5 or 6 years on the job think they are seasoned veteran officers. Of course they think they are seasoned veteran officers after they finish the academy, FTO training and probationary period. They're going to wipe out all crime in 24 hours.

Ask 99 other people and you will probably receive answers ranging from 1 year to 10 years.

There's almost nothing in the world worse than meeting a cop who doesn't know the law trying to enforce the law. Wasn't too long ago that a local cop accused a local man of forging a Virginia State Police document. It took the Virginia State Police a split second to authenicate the document and put this cop with 5 or 6 years experience right back into the "rookie" status he deserved and needed to be in. This rookie's "us vs them" mentality also got him into a lot worse trouble at the same time.

What's the bottom line here? Do I think a rookie with 6 years should be on the front line of a search warrant entry team with a full automatic machine gun? No, I don't.

quote: "...all officers start as unexperienced. It's a must, so should it be held against them."

Of course it shouldn't. The debate only arises when somebody says a rookie with 6 years police experience isn't a rookie.

quote: "What is the level of experience of most of the officers around here?"

Interesting question. If you are asking for an average, I think you might be surprised. Take 200 local cops, add each of their collective years of service up for a total, and divide by 200. I would be totally shocked if you came up with an average of 4 or 5 years. An average length of service of 4 to 5 years is pretty pathetic in any profession. Would you want an HVAC repairman with 5 years of service working on your home's $10,000 HVAC system? I know I wouldn't.

I was asking your opinion and thank you for your prompt reply. What can be done to increase the level of experience in this area. Why do these officers want to retire early? I'm not aware of some of the issues you spoke about. I'm just asking in general.

What can be done to increase the level of experience in this area.

I honestly don't know.

Why do these officers want to retire early?

I get the impression they are just fed up with this new breed of rookie out on the streets nowadays. They are also fed up with veteran officers who should know how to behave themselves and not make the entire profession look stupid. This video shows what I think is going on....

Video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8TcUc

Here's another example. Read the entire thread. You'll see how these rookie cops talk to law abiding citizens.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87148

This one is way too good to pass on..... a must see!

This is why decent honest cops want out of the profession!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4EeCrCD9bGQ

I don't think I am getting you point here Sick. I read the posts from that link and I don't see any references to those posting being "rookies" as you refer to them. Are you assuming they are rookies?

Tell me something, what is your beef with law enforcement? Is it just local law enforcement or law enforcement in general?

Did something happen to you at some point in your life that made you have this hate for cops? Your post above talks about the veteran cops too, so you obviously don't like anyone no matter how many years they have on a force.

So what's your deal? Seriously, you are always on here blasting cops but I must be missing the posts where you explain why. Maybe if you explained to the readers they could come to understand you and maybe see it from your position. From what I have seen up until now, you appear to be an internet troll, visiting quite a few chat boards, news sites, etc. stirring things up. Hey, that is your right. But also, you don't reveal your identity. Why is that? You also have a right to remain anonymous online, but why do you choose to? Instead, I am left scratching my head thinking "who broke one off in this guy?" Maybe if you opened up a little bit you wouldn't catch so much crap, unless of course that is what you are trolling for.

Sick Rambo-and boys-What is this all about? Let's stick to the point. (boys!!!!)
I think the cops will be cleared, So tell me, do you defend or excuse, the bad boyz, in this case????

quote: "From what I have seen up until now, you appear to be an internet troll, visiting quite a few chat boards, news sites, etc. stirring things up."

Ohh, really? Post a few links to the boards and news sites where I stir things up.

And Teach9, boys will be boys! And cops will always be cleared... until they're invited into civil court. Kinda like O J Simpson come to think of it! :)

SICK--Go for for it! You don't own the world. And yes, stir it up, You're not the only one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA
FOOLY FOOLY FOOLY

quote: "I read the posts from that link and I don't see any references to those posting being ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??rookies¢Ã¢â??¬ as you refer to them. Are you assuming they are rookies?"

You can't read one thread out of an entire forum and determine who is who, how old they are, or how many years of police service they have under their belt. You pick up these little bits and pieces in many threads over a long period of time.

If you read the one thread completely, you saw real cops telling other real cops they are ashamed of their attitudes and arrogance in talking to the public. I loved what the Army father of two cops said.... and I quote.... "some of the English in this thread, written by supposed professionals, is nothing short of horrible. If you can't write a coherent paragraph, how do you complete a report and get it past your sergeant?" I laughed so hard I had tears running down my face. But he was right on target! It's the end result of hiring standards being lowered so much.

quote: "SICK¢Ã¢â??‰â?¬Å?Go for for it! You don't own the world. And yes, stir it up, You're not the only one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA HA FOOLY FOOLY FOOLY"

Don't egg me on, Teach9! :)

My only intent in this subject was originally to point out that perhaps a cop with just 6 years experience shouldn't be on the entry team handling a full automatic assault weapon. Just one little slip on the trigger will send 10+ bullets flying around in very short order! I am not saying that is what happened in this case, but it has crossed my mind. Somebody told my brother that Mr. Dawson was hit with 6 bullets, but that is simply unsubstantiated hearsay at this point in time.

Sick-YOU don't know what you are talking about, in the view of many. Sure, they may try to sue-but they will most probably lose.
The police had a perfect right to do what they did.
Teachers know a lot-Just you wait and see!!!!!

quote: "The police had a perfect right to do what they did."

I wasn't there. I have never said they didn't.

Everybody will simply have to wait and see what Mr. Dawson and John Zwerling say. It could take as long as a year to hear what they have to say.

Ok Sick, now we're talking :--))))))) Teachey

teacher #9 I thank you for your support, but please don't ever think an officer doing the right thing has anything to do with winning or losing a civil case. There is no way to predict what a jury will do. Sick thank you for admitting you were not there and you'll have to wait and see. I do disagree about why these cops want to retire. There are some great rookie cops, they just need time to learn. The best way to sum it up is this. Police work.....physically is a young persons job, mentally it is an old persons job. The two collide somewhere around 8-12 years. Older cops like me want to retire... but it's not because of my co workers. I'm tired of the constant badgering from people like you sick...I don't mean that as an insult. I truely believe you and all others should question authority, but dude, it never ends with you and many others. It doesn't bother me that you say what you say as much as the fact that even less people defend us. People in general don't care unless it directly effects them.

It's time to wake up. Sick has some good points. Standards are lower. Since 1992 the starting pay for a police officer in the area has increased about 60%, the cost of a town home has increase 300% not to mention food, cars, gas, child care. In the next ten years this country is looking at a serious break down in police services. If you people think you can operate without the police your completly crazy. You will not be able to leave your home and your kids will not be going to school. This country is at a real turning point for law enforcement and citizens better wake up. I love my job, and most people are very nice to me, but when we're facing these wacko suits...we need you.....we need your help. Just remember... when there is some new case law that says we can't do something, it means it's now ten times harder to solve the crime your a victim of.

Yes, I feel sorry for the police. Most of them are the cream of the crop. Every profession has a few bad apples. This is not the fault of the good ones. Maybe the good ones can file compaints to the supervisor, if the bad apples are giving them a bad name. My best to the good police folk.

quote: "Sick has some good points."

Has there ever been any doubt? :)

quote: "Since 1992 the starting pay for a police officer in the area has increased about 60%, the cost of a town home has increase 300%..."

So? Whose fault is this? Don't blame the taxpayers. What cops have to realize is the fact this is a catch-22 situation. The taxpayers can't afford more taxes to give the cops a raise because they themselves are struggling to stay in their own homes right now. Do you realize the monthly tax on some people's home is now much higher than the last mortgage payment they made when paying off their home? For years people kept saying, "I sure will be glad when our home is paid off, honey!" Little did they know their monthly tax bill would be higher than their last mortgage payment when they kept saying this.

quote: "...when there is some new case law that says we can't do something, it means it's now ten times harder to solve the crime your a victim of."

Whose fault is this? If some cops weren't out on the streets walking all over people's constitutional rights there wouldn't have to be lawsuits and new case law. You know this as well as I do.

Combined with the fact that you failed to metion that more case law is ruled in favor of law enforcement than not. :)

quote: "If you people think you can operate without the police you're completly crazy. You will not be able to leave your home and your kids will not be going to school."

I think you really believe this. If every cop in the nation walks off the job tonight, people will defend their homes and families. Don't ever assume you sell something the public can't do without.

Well, I have to say we are pretty lucky around this area and don't have many problems. Everyone makes mistakes, but even the police around here feel the blunt if one bad apple makes the news in California. It's unique to the profession. Overall I've been happy here, I have been able to meet very intersting and wonderful people. Some have become life long friends. For every one thing that makes the news there are 1,000 good deeds that didn't. I feel sorry for the new people, they deserve to be more than $16 an hour workers. Some of these new officer come out of college and start at $32,000 a year and their college friends are starting jobs at $40,000 to $50,000. On year later thay are making $34,000 a year and their friends are already at $60,000. They see the writing on the wall and leave within three years. I know a few officer that have left for doing stupid things at work.....they were making more money the next month at a new job.

Look at teachers though..after being a social worker, parent, and care giver, you might get to teach something with the remaining time. I'm glad you do it because I never would.

Wow sick, you really have a way of turning an issue. I never blamed anyone for the housing problem or said the taxpayer should pay more. I offered one reason officers wanted to retire early and move on. You shouldn't get so stressed the early in the morning. I pay those taxes too. Taxes, that are much cheaper here than other areas of the country. I'm getting ready to pay taxes for a new $100,000,000 high school that my children aren't going to be in. But if they need it they need it.

Court cases do go both ways...but are you telling if me if a man commits a robbery, runs from the police on a motorcycle, and wrecks, the officer's jurisdiction should be liable for his injuries. We didn't make him commit a crime or make him run.

later dude, catch your answer tonight.

quote: "...but when we're facing these wacko suits..."

They are called "frivolous lawsuits"" Let's discuss the recent Greene County incident where the family was paid $85,000 in damages by the Sheriff's Office (Risk Management actually). Do you think it was a frivolous lawsuit? Don't give me the argument they were acting in good faith and relying on bad advice from other judicial figures, that dog don't hunt! You don't take a child out of a court ordered home UNTIL you have a new court order superseding the other! This was a no-brainer, no college education required.

quote: "...even the police around here feel the blunt if one bad apple makes the news in California. It's unique to the profession...."

It most certainly is not unique to the profession. If a mortician is accused of necrophilia, people scratch their heads and wonder what goes on in their local funeral homes. If an airline pilot is wrestled off a plane under the influence, the entire profession comes under close scrutiny. Nothing is unique to police work. Stop making this stuff up as you go along.

quote: "...deserve to be more than $16 an hour workers. Some of these new officer come out of college and start at $32,000 a year and their college friends are starting jobs at $40,000 to $50,000. On year later thay are making $34,000 a year and their friends are already at $60,000."

Your figures, as usual, are very misleading. A $32,000 starting salary doesn't even take into account the benefits package. Add the life insurance, health insurance, dental, retirement package and take home car into the formula please. You can easily be up to $50,000 real quick.

Now add in the abundant off-duty overtime available to sworn officers since 9-11. And add in the abundant off-duty overtime from John Paul Jones for both city annd county officers. Add in the abundant off-duty overtime from the many local merchants who hire cops for security in their places of business.

Now add in a spouse's income, let's say $30,000 just for the sport of it. This brings us up to at least $100,000 total income for the family. This is WELL over the average median income for this area. WELL ABOVE!

The old "working for peanuts" whine is well aged.

quote: "Wow sick... You shouldn't get so stressed the early in the morning."

You actually believe that too? If you can't determine by now that I enjoy a good debate you will never make detective! :)

I'm loving it. Every second of it!

quote: "you telling if me if a man commits a robbery, runs from the police on a motorcycle, and wrecks, the officer's jurisdiction should be liable for his injuries. We didn't make him commit a crime or make him run."

See? You make this way too enjoyable!

Let's expand on your scenario. The robbery just took place at the local 7-Eleven. You as a well trained and informed police officer should know there probably wasn't a great deal of money involved. This fact alone should dictate what pursuit policies you will adhire to during this chase. But anyhow, moving on.... you pursue this motorcycle and cause him to hit a tree and kill himself. I will admit, any award is up to the jury that hears the case. I don't have an opinion one way or the other. But let's say you wreck your patrol car during this pursuit and kill an innocent mother and her two children in a mini-van. Hell yes, you and your agency are RESPONSIBLE! You've killed three people over a $300 robbery. You would have been better off to let the motorcycle get away!

Ya see, things are never quite as simple as you think when a cop offers up what they consider to be a reasonable scenario for discussion.

What's that county cop's name who on a call ran a stop sign and hit a husband and wife in their Toyota truck a while back? I recall the Chevrolet Caprice on the front page of the newspaper demolished. I would hate to have seen the truck. He's damn lucky he didn't kill one of both of them! Would I rule in the husband and wife's favor in a civil claim? Damn right I would! I don't care what kind of call he was responding to! If you can't drive a police car safely and responsibly, you have no business behind the steering wheel. Which of course brings us right back to both recent pedestrain crosswalk cases locally. :)

Dude, you completly changed this. I'm speaking of a particular case where to motorcyclist wrecked on his own and it is a matter of case law. I'm sorry I don't have the case name I'd have to look it up. It was a California case. You completly added worse case senario. Just forget it.

quote: "You completly added worse case scenario."

I bet to differ. A worst case scenario would be the officer crashing and killing himself during this or any other pursuit. Which if you follow the news is happening more and more every year. Any source that lists officer fatilites for any given year usually fails to mention that many of the officer deaths are a direct result of their own sloppy and haphazard driving.

And as I have said before, more and more officers are driving their patrol cars on duty, under the influence and killing innocent citizens out on the highway. This is becoming an alarming trend lately. MADD needs to take a serious look at this issue instead of concentrating all their efforts on John Q. Public.

And since I am on a roll again, I recall one officer death statistic last year being that of a police officer electrocuting himself around his home. Even though this is not a duty related death, it was still included in the statistics. What does performing electrical repairs around the home have to do with the profession being so dangerous?

Check this out. In this particular Virginia case, the cop is lucky he didn't kill some innocent citizen!

March 29, 2008

ROANOKE, VIRGINIA - The Roanoke City Police Department now says it fired an officer who pleaded guilty to a DUI crash, while driving a police cruiser.

Police say Officer Andrew Page was terminated on March 6th. The firing happened a little more than three weeks after the original crash on Interstate 81 in Pulaski County, in the middle of February. State Police say Page crashed into a guardrail near the Dublin exit on I-81, while driving drunk in a Roanoke City Police cruiser. A breathalizer test taken at the jail showed Page's blood alcohol level was 0.16, which is twice the legal limit.

Shortly after the crash, Roanoke Police suspended Page, and began an internal investigation.

Back on March 26th, Channel 10 On Your Side learned that Page was no longer with the Police department, but at that time Captain Chris Perkins would not say whether Page was fired or if Page resigned.

The firing was expected, but the release of the information by the Police Department is unusual, because it does not usually release personnel decisions. The department cited the unique situation for the decision.

Page's driver's license has been suspended for a year. In order for Page to get a restricted license that would allow him to drive to and from work, he must pay a $250 fine, and attend alcohol meetings.

Sheep Dog, here's an example that fits into your scenario somewhat. You see what happened to the officer? Was his little pursuit worth it?

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0208/495839.html

February 14, 2008

UPPER MARLBORO, Md. -- Authorities have charged a Prince George's County police officer with two counts of motor vehicle manslaughter in the deaths of two people on the Beltway last May.

Investigators say the officer was chasing a motorcyclists along the northbound lane of 495 at Ritchie Marlboro Road when he hit another vehicle. Sidney Clanton from Buffalo, N.Y. and 40-year-old Kevin McCarter, of Fort Washington died as a result of the crash.

Collision units ruled the officer was travelling at least 125 mph during the May 31 accident. They said the officer apparently had turned off his police issued lights prior to the accident and activated a secondary set of police lights that were not connected to the dash cam.

Prince George's County Police Chief Melvin High said the department is also conducting a concurrent administrative investigation. The report will not be concluded until the State's Attorney's Office makes a determination in the criminal investigation.

The officer involved is on administrative leave.

Can we move on to some discussion of the case-circumstances, and separate from all of this coverage-police issues. I think people have had enough. Actually, they are a little bored.

I don't think I would call people bored when they sit here and keep on asking questions.

Steve, I have read you rants and have no idea what you point is. You appear to be at the dangerous intersection of Cop Envy and Obsessive compulsive disorder.