Calls for Obama-Webb ticket grow louder

This morning, longtime national political reporter Al Hunt joined the growing chorus of speculation that Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) is on the short list of potential vice presidential nominees for a ticket headed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). Citing Webb's tenure as Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration, Hunt writes for Bloomberg.com, "Obama needs a running mate with national security experience. The inexperience card, which [Sen. John] McCain [R-AZ] will stress repeatedly, isn't about tax policy or health care; it's about foreign policy."

Just last week, Salon.com readers picked Webb as their choice to be Obama's VP; he garnered 28 percent of the vote, trouncing Gen. Wesley Clark (20 percent), Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (16 percent), and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson (10 percent), among others. Last month Politico's Ben Smith wrote that Webb would be "perfect on paper" for the Obama ticket, given his background as a war hero and former Republican from a red state that could go blue. The only downside, according to Smith, is that Webb is "blunt and unpredictable, he might be a reluctant campaigner."

The junior senator from the Commonwealth is currently downplaying such talk. On Meet the Press yesterday, while defending Obama's position that the United States should have open diplomacy with enemy nations, Webb said he wouldn't be his own first choice for the ticket. "I would highly discourage [the Obama campaign] is probably the best way to say it," Webb said. "At this point, no one's asking, no one's talking, and I'm not that interested."

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This is problematic. If Webb runs and they win, who takes his place? Does the governor appoint for the remainder of the term, or is there a special election? If there's a special election, I'd be very concerned - there really doesn't seem to be a top tier Democrat to run for this office. Then again, Webb wasn't on any body's radar in 2005.

Dear MusicLover,

Great question. There would be both an appointment and a special election. The Seventeenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says that the governor appoints someone to serve until a special election can be held. Typically, the special election coincides with the next round of congressional elections, and then whomever wins that election would serve out the remainder of the original term.

So, should Senator Webb become Vice President Webb, Gov. Kaine would appoint someone to fill the vacancy, beginning January 3, 2009, with a special election taking place in 2010. Then the winner of that race would be up for re-election in another two years in 2012.

Should all this come to pass, it would be the first time the governor has had to appoint a U.S. Senator's replacement since Gov. Albertis Harrison appointed Harry Byrd Jr. to succeed his retiring father, Harry Byrd Sr., in 1965.

Thanks for reading.

Sincerely,
Lindsay Barnes

Senator Webb would make an excellent Vice President.

Webb is a jerk.

"Webb is a jerk," Well, at least he isn't a Macaca.

This ticket would be a nightmare ! Neither has any experience although they claim they do. Their supporters would claim it's time for a change..
Be careful what you ask for ...you might get what you wish and then wish you could take it back.
On Sen.Webb he it so partisan, so self serving that I wouldn't vote for his re-election no less voting for him as VP with a President with a tainted past !!!!

In response to Music Lover...what a lame reponse. He isn't a macaca but he is a snob !

Are we sure he's not a macaca? Let's consult George Allen for the definitive take. I'm pretty sure he's not busy these days. Heh.

and I should learn to spell- what a lame response!

Allen might not be busy now but he will be back. I will agree he should never had said what he did. I was offended myself. But we aren't taking about Allen are we ? The subject was Webb was it not?
You might want to play this little game of yours but you give us reasons why he would be a good VP.
Is it because he will be Obama's lap boy ??

No, a lame "reponse" is to call Senator Webb a snob and a jerk when he's one of the only men on Capitol Hill working to better the lives of our soldiers by getting them better educational benefits through the reintroduction of the GI Bill - a bill that phony patriots like the president oppose on the grounds that it's too generous. After you learn to spell, perhaps you should bone up on what's really going on in Washington as opposed to parroting the drivel spewn by Mssrs. Rove, Limbaugh, and O'Reilly.

Now, Now Josephus. Why can't we leave other people out of this. What does Rowe, Limbaugh and O'Reilly have to do with this ? Did they call him a macaca? Do we have issues you need to vent out or can we stick to Sen.Webb ???
Webb has only held his office for less than one year. Hardly enough experience to be VP. I never said he was a jerk . Do you remember
his encounter with Bush and later said he should have punched him ??
This man has is a snob and I for one will be glad when he will be voted out of office.

Webb is far from inexperienced, particularly in matters of defense. Not only is he a decorated veteran (Navy Cross, a Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, two Purple Hearts), for five years starting in 77 he was on the staff of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs. He also represented veterans pro-bono. He also served under Ray-Gun as Asst. Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs and as Secretary of the Navy. Plus, he has the distinction of recognizing in 2004 that Bush had "committed the greatest strategic blunder in modern memory" with the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

So I'm not sure where the inexperience comes into play. And I guess there's really no need to compare Obama and Webb's experience to that of the greatest Republican president of all, Lincoln - a one-term Congressman with very little military experience (a short stint in the militia). I'm not saying Obama or Webb are the next Lincoln, merely pointing out that there are many flaws in any campaign founded on the experience of the candidate.

And as for his encounter with Bush, half the country applauded his actions. The other half was still in love with Bush and didn't know any better. Those numbers shrink by the day, you know.

Webb won't be voted out of office. There isn't a Republican in the state worthy of state-wide office right now - certainly not Gilmore or Allen (there will be no comeback, my friend: Virginia is turning BLUE quick, fast, and in a hurry).

Also worth noting: McCain does not support the new GI Bill.

Excuse me but the majority of the country polled didn't approve of Webb's encounter with Bush. That's a fact. You might think Virgina is turning Blue but give them enough reason and it will be short lived. And my friend ( we might disagree but you can still be my friend) will happen !

McCain does not support it because it's full of PORK.

If the lame ass congress would simply write a GI bill without all the BS attatched it would be signed that day. You can say what you want about Bush but SOMEBODY has to reign in congress and Blackmailing the president with a pork filled GI bill is heresy.

It will always be politics as usual and Webb is not only a jerk he is an arrogant jerk.

Well, you can spin it any way you want to, and I'm sure you will but the event is well documented:

"How's your boy?" Bush asked.

"I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President," Webb responded.

"That's not what I asked you," Bush said. "How's your boy?"

"That's between me and my boy, Mr. President," Webb said.

Now how in hell is this response disrespectful: "I'd like to get them out of Iraq, Mr. President?" The disrespect arrived with Bush's retort. Seems an adult might have replied with "So would I and we'll get them out of there as soon as we can." Bush says that, the exchange is pleasant and it's all good. But no, Bush, because he just freaking can't help himself and because his Mama just didn't raise him right (remember, she's the one who made those inhuman remarks about Katrina refugees who were stuck in Houston because the government sent and abandoned them there) acted like a petulant child who thinks if he keeps asking if he can borrow the car enough times finally somebody will say "Yes."

As for "pork," I challenge you to cite it - and don't confuse it with the war funding authorization that is laden with pork added by BOTH parties. A fairly thorough Google search found only this, from the VIrginian-Pilot:

Bush and some House Republicans also objected Thursday to the House's plan to cover the estimated 10-year, $51 billion cost for Webb's GI Bill with a surtax to be imposed on those earning more than $500,000 annually.

"If the bill presented to the president contains a tax increase," the White House said in a statement, "he will veto it."

So Bush is willing to throw veterans under the bus in an effort to prevent any burden from falling on "his peeps," those who earn over a half-million dollars a year. Thelma Drake, a GOP congressperson completely aligned with the White House (and who is probably going to lose her seat this year because of it - and she's in Military Heaven in Hampton Roads) voted against it and mentioned nothing about pork - not one word. She voted against it, saying she "would not support legislation that President Bush has promised to veto." What a spineless excuse for a Congressperson - even a Republican!

But of course, the Bush Administration hasn't actually done anything to help members of the military or veterans in 7 years - it wouldn't make any sense for them to start doing so now. It's easier to just extend their stay in the desert and keep handing out stop-loss orders.

As for Virginia turning Blue, maybe you're new here but Virginia has historically been Blue, shifting Red only recently. That experiment just hasn't worked out for us like everybody had hoped. It's not likely you'll be seeing Red in Virginia anytime in the foreseeable future.

What he said later was what was disrepectful and that was he should have slugged him.(the President) Don't just write parts of the story and give a full account. If that is not disrepectful tell me what is ??????

And I lived in Virgina all my life (54 years) and don't give me your BS
about it's history. It's been back and forth in recent years. Most areas
in VA are red but it's Northern VA who votes democratic.

The pork didn't come from Webb of course it is coming from both side of the isle. See I will be truthful and not just hide behind half truths. .

I see why you like Webb. You both have the same type personality !
You are disrepectful for not telling the truth ,bringing Bush's mother into this. Bush is a good and decent person regardless rather you agree with him or not. You sir, are like the press by not commenting on both sides of the story.

I'm all for Webb but being that he is also a junior I'd like to see some experience with O's run for the white house. I am sure the future has great things for Webb since he seems to have potential...more so than the bigot he beat. I'd also like to hear what O's policies are so I can make an educated decision in November. Mccain seems to offer the same old, same old though he is a step up from bush and i have ALOT more respect for Mccain than the arrogant-reckless-loonie we have now.

Since 1900, of the 28 governors in Virginia all but 5 terms have been held by Democrats, and all 5 of those have been since 1970. Since 1900 of the 15 Senators from Virginia all but 4 have been Democrats, and all 4 of those have been since 1973 (one of those, John Warner, has served almost 30 years - and he's the ONLY Republican Senator from Virginia to have EVER served more than a single term! No other Republican Senator has ever won reelection in Virginia). In a few months, both Senators will be Democrats.

Virginia historically has been considerably more Blue than Red. Since 68 it has been reliably Red in presidential elections, but that may very well change this year. One thing's for sure - if the GOP wants to hold the state they'll need to spend a boatload of cash here (and obtaining cash seems to be something of a problem for them these days)! As for Northern Virginia being the only Blue part of the state, that is also changing thanks in large part to the current administration's abandonment of just about every issue that concerns active and retired military. McCain's being joined at the hip to Bush on all of those issues will hurt him mightily in November. The veterans constituency was always very reliably Republican but that is changing fast. All of those groups also support the new GI Bill. Many veterans of the Iraqi war have run for national office, and I'm aware of just one who ran as a Republican (and if I recall correctly, he lost). All the rest are Democrats. What constituency is left for the GOP, anyway? There aren't enough billionaire votes to win anything, racism is dying, and soccer moms are soooooooo over being associated with the Republican party.

What a ass**** you are. Racism ? How dare you say the GOP is racist. There are racist people regardless of party. BUT the most people are not.
The GOP has had more Blacks in there adminstrations than the democrats !!

McCain is not joined at the hip of Bush . He has voted against him a number of times . If so Obama is jointed to Rev. Wright ! And don't tell me he had no knowlwdge of what was going on there at his own church.

I am a middle class person as most people in my party are.There are more liberals or should I say socialist who are billionaires than any other party.

I will end my raint with you because you are a condescending fool !

The GOP is racist. So please tell us what happened to Obama in West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, and Pennsylvania?

Without the GOP the Civil Rights Act would never had been passed in the 1960's. Please note that Obama won Virginia and the South. Saying Racism is about party is just stupid and a lie.

"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either." --Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, on Capitol Hill during a 100th birthday celebration for Thurmond, who was retiring after nearly 48 years in the Senate. The comment was broadcast live on C-SPAN.

Thurmond ran as the presidential nominee of the breakaway Dixiecrat Party in the 1948 presidential race against Democrat Harry Truman and Republican Thomas Dewey. He carried Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and his home state of South Carolina, of which he was governor at the time. [Source: CNN]

"And Bush has never disavowed the other key part of the GOP's current Southern strategy: the party's systematic support for efforts to dampen and discourage black voter turnout, mostly but not exclusively in the South. Gone are the days of the poll tax and the literacy test; now the GOP uses "ballot security measures" and voter-fraud crackdowns to keep black turnout low. It was Lott, by the way, who called for the Internal Revenue Service to investigate the NAACP's tax status last year, after its voter education and turnout drives were credited with a massive pro-Democratic black turnout in the 2000 election. And in last month's midterm election, Democrats in dozens of states charged Republicans with using new and old strategies to discourage blacks from going to the polls. Almost 40 years after the Voting Rights Act, the GOP still relies far more than anyone will admit on strategies that pander to white racists and keep blacks away from the polls. "The difference is now they try to do it under the radar," says University of South Carolina history professor Dan Carter, an expert in voting rights history."
[Source: Walsh, Joan. "The Ugly Truth About Republican Racial Politics," Salon. Dec. 14, 2002]

WOW, that "Son of Liberty" guy sure is a babbling fool. Get a clue, Grampa. On second thought, why don't you simply STFU? That's one of them newfangled acronyms that the kids use. It means Shut The Fukc Up.

Don`t pick on whom you term "grampa" until you learn an acronym is usually distinguished from an abbreviation because an acronym is pronounceable as a word, which STFU is not. It`s an abbreviation.

Rod,
WGAS? LOL

really anybody wanna answer my question about the Dems in West Virginia or Kentucky?

Bringing up Trent Lott is as valid as my saying Senator Robert Byrd use to be in the KKK. Strom Thurmond was a 100 years old and ran as a segregationist in the 40's. Dredging up history while ignoring the present is cowardly an unproductive.

It's racist to make sure the right person is voting???I have to show ID to rent a car, write a check, or board an airplane but asking to prove identity at the polls is racist? Are you implying African Americans can't figure out how ID work or less intelligent then whites? You make no sense

Zydeco wasn't busting on 100-year-old Strom Thurmond; he was busting on Trent Lott, modern-day icon of the GOP, who said "yeah Strom, he had the right ideas, we'd a'been a lot better off if he'd won!" So bringing up Trent Lott (not 100 years old) IS more valid than bringing up Byrd (nearly 100 years old).

The "Southern Strategy" is the long-term post-WWII plan to move rural whites away from the Democratic party by scaring them with race-fueled advertising. Nixon, Reagan, and GHW Bush all did it successfully. This explains it better than I can using a direct quote from the influential Republican strategist Lee Atwater...

[Source: Wikipedia article titled "Southern Strategy"]

Although the phrase "Southern strategy" is often attributed to Richard Nixon strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it,[1] but merely popularized it.[2] In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, he touched on its essence:

From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."[3]

[...]

Bob Herbert, a New York Times columnist, reported a 1981 interview with Lee Atwater, published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Prof. Alexander P. Lamis, in which Lee Atwater discussed politics in the South:

You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*****, n*****, n*****." By 1968 you can't say "n*****" ¢Ã¢â??¬”that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me¢Ã¢â??¬”because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*****, n*****.".[12]

Herbert wrote in the same column, "The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks."[13]

All of this is going on the assumption that you all are sincere in your belief that the GOP is not institutionally racist. I do have Republican friends who admit the use of this stuff as a legitimate tool and have no problems with it even though they believe it's not kosher to admit publicly. With regard to Obama's defeat in WV and Kentucky, yes, there are quite frankly rural, uneducated racist registered Democrat voters in those states and obviously in others. The point being made is that the GOP is institutionally racist and has had many successful campaigns run by the likes of Atwater, Haley Barbour, etc. using race-baiting as a tool in the South. Jesse Helms in NC was very successful in using it. After the Civil Rights era and white flight into the suburbs, frankly I think it wasn't that difficult to prey upon the worst fears of white voters. Was it moral? No.

If I wanted to cut and paste articles that would show that in the 60's without the GOP the civil rights movement would have been dead in it's tracks but what's the point. But again let's talk about the present. Helms, Atwater, Lott, and Thurmond are all out of office or dead. But their tactics are being used by Democrats today

Could you talk about the modern day or the fact that Clinton has used race in her own quest for the White House. How Bill Clinton the "first black president" has become the "first self-loathing black president". Race is not

Further could someone tell me how asking for ID is racist. In this modern world of identity theft I would think that people would clammer for it. A good debate isn't one were cut and paste is used to make a somewhat related argument. You said that requesting ID was racist. Tell me why and please try to stay on topic with your own thoughts.

I never said requesting ID at the polls is racist. It must have been another poster. I support it even though Southern Republicans used tactics like this to try to intimidate blacks and suppress their turnout during the Jim Crow era. I don't see a problem with it today. Why is it an issue for you? Do you suspect voter fraud?

Bill Clinton was the first Democrat to use Republican tactics against them, which is why they cry and whine like spoiled children whenever his name is mentioned. He was just as successful with it as they are. Hillary does the same in her current campaign. She tries to scare white Democrats into opposing Senator Obama by intimating that he's unelectable because of his race. I don't support either Clinton because this is the same type of thing used by Karl Rove et al.

As to the GOP and the Civil Rights movement, I recall Republican Barry Goldwater opposing the Civil Rights Act. I recall massive resistance across the South. I recall laughing when I read your post. The GOP does not, and has not, supported civil rights in any capacity.

Did I stay on topic enough for you? The truth is, a large swath of white voters from both parties fear and loath blacks. One party demonizes them for political gain and is very successful at it. In the age of Rove, when anything that wins is justifed, I hold out hope that there is a better way. I hold out hope for some sort of reconciliation, social justice, economic and educational opportunity for all. My candidate is a Harvard-educated lawyer who believes in all of these things and has the will and the guts to try to change the gutter politics of the past and to embrace a future in which each of us can succeed on the basis of our personal strength and effort. My candidate believes that there is a better way and that the old methods embraced by the Clintons AND the Bushes are outdated and destructive for the nation as a whole. I invite you to check him out.

Webb will balance the Obama ticket well.

Those who "shill" support Bush after David Ray Griffin's unassailable scholarship proving his and Cheney's complicity in 9-11, $200/hr homosexual prostitute James Guckert/"Jeff Gannon's "overnights" documented by the Secret Service's logbook at the Social Entrance of the White House, and the betrayal of our military and veterans, are cut from the same "cloth" as the rest of the draft-dodging closet-queens so comfortable in homosexual traitor Bush's "inner circle."

Zydeco you said ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??ballot security measures¢Ã¢â??¬- this was in fact asking for IDs. So yes, you did equate asking for ID with racisim .

I only mention Clinton for what he did in THIS election cycle. He used those tactics against a black democrat- IF his performance in South Carolina wasn't using race then there is very little for us to talk about.

You sense of history is warped. Massive resistance was designed by the Virginia Democrat Harry Byrd. U.S. Senator Everett Dirksen (R) of Illinois, authored and introduced the 1960 Civil Rights Act.
Republican support was absolutely crucial for Senate passage of the 1964 Civil right act and only slightly less so for House passage. As a result of the administration's urging, Democratic and Republican House leaders on the Judiciary Committee worked together to produce a more acceptable piece of legislation. Republicans were able to modify voting registration procedures, the status of the Civil Rights Commission, and enforcement procedures.

Of the 420 members who voted, 290 supported the civil rights bill and 130 opposed it. Republicans favored the bill 138 to 34; Democrats supported it 152-96. A bipartisan coalition of Republicans and northern Democrats was the key to the bill's success. This same arrangement would prove crucial later to the Senate's approval of the bill.

In the Senate, Senator Richard Russell, Democrat from Georgia, led the so-called opposition forces. The group was also known as the "southern bloc." It was composed of eighteen southern Democrats and one Republican, John Tower of Texas.

Still laughing?

just a little bit more:

The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933 to 1964, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes.

and all this without having to bring up Lincoln

As top "Republicans" Nixon and GHWBush were obviously complicit in John Kennedy's assassination, touting GOP "support" for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, leaving aside the egregious "Southern Strategy," is disingenuous if not part and parcel of the Roman Anti-Christ's organized subversion of America.

Yo Willie Jones, it's just straight up rude not to share whatever it is that you are smokin'

You're right. "Ballot security measures" was in the post citing Joan Walsh. I'm not sure why this is an issue really. If people want to suppress voter turnout, I imagine there are more effective ways that requiring a driver's license. I do, for the record, support a national identity card.

I'm impressed with your citations, although nothing can change my mind when I think of the GOP. They live to cut taxes for the rich and transfer those obligations to the poor and future generations. They spend like drunken sailors, particularly this administration. They sleaze it up with corporate welfare bills for their friends and campaign supporters. They lied about the war. They support spying on our own citizens. I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.

I do wish, though, that Republicans cared more about this country. The ones I know seem to have this fatalistic acceptance that everything in this country has gone to hell in a handbasket and, since no one cares, why not get rich? Tax cuts for everybody, right? Let the next generation sort it out. Let me get mine now. Caring, to me, means being willing to find real solutions, investing for the long-term in infrastructure, making education more affordable since we've sent our manufacturing base overseas, paying down our debt, etc. I know this is off-topic. The original topic was Webb. He's a good man, a Marine with combat experience. I don't think he was disrespectful to the president as I don't believe the man holding that position is worthy of our respect. In that sense, he represented this constituent perfectly. We can disagree. I do suspect that the folks who think he was disrespectful won't care when somebody else does that kind of thing to President Obama. Their sense of respect is limited to Bush since they support him. I doubt he would accept the vice presidency, but if that's the case, I support it. I'm looking forward to the changing of the guard in the White House. All of the damage (as I see it) that has been done will be tossed aside: no child left behind, tax cuts for billionaires, war without reason or end. It's a great time to be an optimist, I think.

The fact that "nothing can change my mind" is what is wrong with this country. You can not be an American and have a closed mind if you want real change in this country. Hey don't get me wrong the Republicans have got big problems but calling the whole party racist is in fact racist. Spying-bad, overspending- bad, lobbying-bad. We agree on change just not blanket blame on one party. Fiscal conservatives have no home in US politics where they can exert change perhaps that might change.

Many republicans care deeply about this country and are willing to vote for change in what ever form it is offend. The Democrats would do well to learn the lesson of the "contract with America" and not repeat the same mistakes. Hubris and lobbyist are the real evil.

oops I meant "what ever form it is offered"

Those who have wrought this manifest evil on the People and the Constitution must pay: ad hominem and spurious humor will not suffice when justice demands death for treason and full expropriation and banishment for Misprision of Treason. Given the cited scholarship is openly available, those unwilling to recognize the truth are either traitors or fools, and in no way American.

Rock on, Will Jones. Rock on.

John thanks for your kind words . I am 53 and could kick your clueless a** in a heart beat. But I rather not waste my time with a someone who can only say STFU ! Take you own advice until you come up with something
intelligent to say. Maybe that's not possible.

To Music Lover: Oh, look at today's polls : McCain would beat either
Obama or Clinton. Doesn't that want you to turn "red"faced in a blue state !

And the GOP is not racist . Just because Obama loses in some states that makes them racist ? Some of those voter could be and most were democratics. Go figure ! The real truth is there are racist in both parties but to tag the GOP as racist is far from the truth.

Quinnipiac is a Roman Catholic school. According to Thomas Jefferson, America's Whig Founders, and any patriotic and reasonable American, Rome is the Anti-Christ.

Should any be surprised that Roman Catholics' "polling" "tells" us Obama won't do well against one whose family has been fighting for Roman Catholic causes for many centuries? Read "Faith of My Fathers." McCain, married to the Mob in a Roman Catholic/Organized Crime state, is working for Rome and Rome supports him. Hillary is no better.

Pennsylvania is majority Roman Catholic. West Virginia has a Roman Catholic governor and powerful Roman Catholic interests.

Obama will win in November because he sings the Song of America. The People will make him Elect because he speaks the truth. We all know evil is upon us. Only shills of fascist plutocracy trying to effect its "endgame," to complete the destruction of Individual Sovereignty and the American Dream, say otherwise.

Novus Ordo Seclorem: The New Secular Order...no king and no pope, only,

Annuit Coeptis

Death for Treason

Bush and his coterie of draft-dodging homosexuals is accursed whether in Texas, D.C., or speaking "Richmondese."

Hey Will did you ever read that Johnson killed Kennedy ? You seem to believe in everything you read why is it the Republicans get the rap?
I feel very confortable in YOU making a prediction of a Obama victory as you apparently are from another planet. Obama can't sing a song that has no other lyrics than "Change you can believe in". When the public see he is just a facade of a man with no real solutions.
And what's with this ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??overnights¢Ã¢â??¬ documented by the Secret Service's logbook at the Social Entrance crap. Man you are a sicko !

Sounds like we need to repopulate planet Earth with a new crop of humans of one color, one religion and one culture.
Imagine the creativity and diversity that would manifest!

Is the article about Webb as VP or racism??? Is racism what we have to debate this coming election instead of REAL issues? ie. gov't waste, war, military waste, energy, deficit, taxes, corrupt politicians, global warming/cooling.

The freedom to be mad is still freedom of a sort, I suppose. I like to think we harbor so many freedoms that madness is but a part of the whole: aliens, conspiracies, and the new old order.

The "New World Order" is the reformulated Old Sectarian Order - caesaropapism's Ancien Regime - resurrected through Rome's American Fifth Column (W's proclaimed "base" at the 2000 Al Smith Dinner) and Vatican-banker Rockefellers' Roman Catholic BIG OIL and their Bush-front finance of Hitler, the Holocaust, and commission of the Kennedy and King assassinations to replace the French catspaw in Vietnam, IranContra to bolster the same Latifundium's Latin component in Central America, and 9-11 for oil, heroin, Rome/Rockefellers' Saudi allies and a corrupt faction of false Jews in the State of Israel who knew who committed the Holocaust and hid the Dead Sea Scrolls for fifty years, yet said and did nothing.

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America's Founder and Prophet to John Adams:

"How then has it happened that these nations, France especially and England, so great, so dignified, so distinguished by science and the arts, plunged at once into all the depths of human enormity, threw off suddenly and openly all the restraints of morality, all sensation to character, and unblushingly avowed and acted on the principle that power was right? Can this sudden apostacy from national rectitude be accounted for? The treaty of Pilnitz seems to have begun it, suggested perhaps by the baneful precedent of Poland.

Was it from the terror of monarchs, alarmed at the light returning on them from the West, and kindling a Volcano under their thrones?

Was it a combination to extinguish that light, and to bring back, as their best auxiliaries, those enumerated by you, the Sorbonne, the Inquisition, the Index expurgatorius, and the knights of Loyola?

Whatever it was, the close of the century saw the moral world thrown back again to the age of the Borgias, to the point from which it had departed 300. years before. France, after crushing and punishing the conspiracy of Pilnitz, went herself deeper and deeper into the crimes she had been chastising. I say France, and not Bonaparte; for altho' he was the head and mouth, the nation furnished the hands which executed his enormities. England, altho' in opposition, kept full pace with France, not indeed by the manly force of her own arms, but by oppressing the weak, and bribing the strong. At length the whole choir joined and divided the weaker nations among them. Your prophecies to Dr. Price proved truer than mine; and yet fell short of the fact, for instead of a million, the destruction of 8. or 10. millions of human beings has probably been the effect of these convulsions. I did not, in 89. believe they would have lasted so long, nor have cost so much blood. But altho' your prophecy has proved true so far, I hope it does not preclude a better final result. That same light from our West seems to have spread and illuminated the very engines employed to extinguish it. It has given them a glimmering of their rights and their power. The idea of representative government has taken root and growth among them. Their masters feel it, and are saving themselves by timely offers of this modification of their own powers. Belguim, Prussia, Poland, Lombardy etc. are now offered a representative organization: illusive probably at first, but it will grow into power in the end. Opinion is power, and that opinion will come."

...and to Major Cartwright:

"What a conspiracy this, between Church and State! Sing Tantarara, rogues all, rogues all, Sing Tantarara, rogues all!"

America's Oracle, Thomas Jefferson, spoke and created Our Nation. Awake now. A war is being waged whether you sleep or fight. Follow Jefferson and the Black and White Whigs who won your freedom once. It is our turn now to destroy the Tory Anti-Christ again.

Obama/Webb '08

Death for Treason
Annuit Coeptis

Oy veh.

Amen.

To Will and Zydeco

Have you two considered counseling ? This article was on Webb, not your far fetched opinion on
untruths. I feel sorry for people like you who
makes things a lot more complicated than it is.
Seek the truth and the truth will set you free.

"Those who ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??shill¢Ã¢â??¬ support Bush after David Ray Griffin's unassailable scholarship proving his and Cheney's complicity in 9-11, $200/hr homosexual prostitute James Guckert/¢Ã¢â??¬Jeff Gannon's ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??overnights¢Ã¢â??¬ documented by the Secret Service's logbook at the Social Entrance of the White House, and the betrayal of our military and veterans, are cut from the same ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??cloth¢Ã¢â??¬ as the rest of the draft-dodging closet-queens so comfortable in homosexual traitor Bush's ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??inner circle.¢Ã¢â??¬"

"SOL" - You are cut from the same Bushite cloth as poser Allen, speaking Ephraimite Castillian "Richmondese," no doubt.

Our Whig Founders took Tories, too dull to flee, to "the Oak." Fascist plutocracy will end the same way.