President Bush coming to Monticello for July 4

And you thought Sam Waterston was a big name. In the past, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation has managed to snag big names like the Law & Order star, architect I.M. Pei, and Secretary of State Colin Powell for its annual July 4 naturalization ceremony for new U.S. citizens. But this year, the folks who run the home of the third president will host the 43rd, as President George W. Bush will be this year's featured speaker at the Independence Day celebration.

"We are truly honored to have President Bush as our featured speaker on July 4," says foundation president Daniel Jordan in a press release, "and regard it as a great compliment that he has chosen to spend part of the last Independence Day of his presidency at Monticello."

Bush is the fourth commander-in-chief to participate in the annual July 4 festivities at Jefferson's house. President Franklin D. Roosevelt was the first in 1936, followed by Harry Truman in 1947, and Gerald Ford, who chose to celebrate America's 1976 bicentennial at the home of the Declaration of Independence's author on July 5.

The last time a president visited Charlottesville was in 2006, when former president Bill Clinton came to town to raise money for Jim Webb's U.S. Senate bid. He also visited Monticello in 1993, just prior to his first inaugural.

Clinton was also in town in 1989 as Governor of Arkansas along with President George H.W. Bush and the other 49 governors for an education summit held at the University of Virginia.

The July 4 festivities are scheduled to begin at 10am, and, as always, they are free and open to the public.

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"I'd like to congratulate you on your Amerification."

Never heard of him.

What happened? On February 25th, Monticello announced that "Acclaimed documentary filmmaker, producer, and writer Ken Burns will be the featured speaker July 4 at Monticello's 46th annual Independence Day Celebration and Naturalization Ceremony." Has he been bumped? Is he the co-featured co-speaker? Who was the decider on this one?

In related news, Reuters reports that the collective IQ of the Charlottesville area is expected to see a temporary drop of approximately 25 points on July 4th. According to a White House spokesperson, this is not related to any of the President's travelation plans.

Oh, the protests he will attract - this could be a real boon for the local hotel industry.

Excellent question, Kate.

A Monticello spokesperson tells the Hook that Ken Burns "deferred to Mr. Bush, and will be invited to speak at a later date."

Thanks for reading,
Lindsay Barnes

UGH!!!

Kate, think you answer lies in the wording here:

"he has chosen to spend part of the last Independence Day of his presidency at Monticello.¢Ã¢â??¬

If they already had a speaker lined-up, this prob wasn't their call...

Could I have email address for Hook news blog.
Thank you!

Make plans to unwelcome him now!

Dress Republican.

Bring your vocal chords.

Get there early.

http://charlottesvillepeace.org/node/1615

There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure. - America's Founder

Bush committed 9-11. Viz. Emeritus Professor David Ray Griffin, PhD. His scholarship is irrefutable. If American, read it yourself.

Death for Treason or Mr. Jefferson shall have lived in vain.

This fine not-commonwealth has voted Republican every year for the last 40 or so, and that includes our respected Prez Bushy, so clearly you'all like him, or you are powerless people who have no say in state level politics.

Go Bush. Go Guns. Go Cigs. Go Virginia. The South will rise again.

Those who want to go to the ceremony to protest Bush should think again. There is a time and place for everything. This naturalization ceremony is not the place. These people worked long and hard to become citizens, they are proud of this, and it would be incredibly disrespectful to THEM to make this all about Bush.

Protest him elsewhere, let these people have their moment.

your concern has been expected, heard, appreciated, and noted

it does not rise to the level of outweighing the need to stand up to fascism while we can

many a good german obligingly shut up out of respect for many a solemn ceremony, often for quite touching reasons that did not measure up to the gravity of the moment

Yeah. Fornicating in the Oval Office, passifying dictators who would love to topple what Independence Day stood for, raising our taxes, not taking out Bin Laden when he was practically given to us on a silver platter, and allowing the domestic policy circumstances that would eventually lead to 9/11...yeah, who worse to speak at the co-writer's home of our celebration of our Declaration of Independence from a tyrant king who gave us taxation without representation? Oh, wait...wrong president.

BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) knows no bounds, even for an honorable event such as this. For once, just STFU and leave this very special event alone nutjobs.

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.

THE CONSTITUTION'S CHIEF DOMESTIC ENEMY IS BUSH
JEFFERSON GAVE US THE DEFENSE
IT'S CALLED IMPEACHMENT

DEFENDING THE CONSTITION
MEANS IMPEACHING BUSH

HERE'S WHY:
http://afterdowningstreet.org/bush

OH WAIT: HE HASN'T FORNICATED
NEVER MIND

Get a real job, hippie.

OTD - I agree, it is really a shame for these new citizens.

protests or not - just his being there ruins it. Why on earth he would be interested in welcoming new citizens when he has been so nasty about immigration is beyond me.

Assuming of course that he knows what a naturalization ceremony is...

I hope the protesters will be respectful of the parts of the program that are specific to the new citizens. It is a huge day for them and their families.

Quick, someone grab Jefferson's copy of the Constitution before w tries to destroy it.

Oh, wait a minute, he might not even recognize it, sorry, my bad.

Okay folks, listen up... if you want to really protest, how about holding the Monticello Foundation accountable for inflicting this disruption on the citizenry and environs of Charlottesville? A bonafide patriot, Ken Burns, was scheduled to welcome new Americans on the sacred ground of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. At the last minute, all are informed that instead, a war criminal and scofflaw of our Constitution has "decided" to take Monticello up on their "standing invitation to a sitting president." Our law enforcement, residents, and visitors will all have to pay a price, like they're not paying enough already to GWB's oil baron associates, for this fiasco. Write to Dan Jordan and his Board of Directors and let them know how shameful their actions are to Mr. Jefferson's legacy.

In other news, everyone attending the naturalization ceremony with BDS (as evidenced by their pink shirts, oversized mannequins, or bold rage-against-the-machine-faces covered with scarves) will be issued an official Ralph Nader tinfoil hat and Rush Limbaugh Club Gitmo survival kits for the inevitable Secret Service police visit to their home later that night to swift them away to Area 51 where they will undergo alien brain transplants so as to convert them to be subservient serfs of the Bush Administration¢Ã¢â??¬Š.

Jokes. On. Stilts.

I already wrote to the Foundation and you all should too. They aren't answering the phone over there. There is no e-mail address for Jordan, the bigwig, but there is for the VP and CFO, Victoria Jones. It is vjones@monticello.org.

Boycott the Foundation and let them know it!

A Letter to the Charlottesville Daily Progress
By Ray McGovern, http://afterdowningstreet.org

I write as a Virginian, the father of four graduates of Mr. Jefferson's university and of another who is an alumnus of the university Mr. Jefferson himself attended.

I have just spoken with Emily of the Thomas Jefferson Foundation to register our family's dismay that President George W. Bush has been invited to speak at Monticello on July 4th. I cannot imagine a greater insult to Mr. Jefferson, who played such a huge role in securing for us the freedoms we enjoy as citizens of this great Commonwealth and country. George W. Bush at Monticello? Desecration of what until now has been hallowed ground.

Emily explained that the Foundation had decided that it could invite the office of the president, without appearing to invite the present incumbent. That distinction is one worthy of the lawyers whom the Bush administration hired to justify torture, ignoring the dictum of another Virginian, Patrick Henry, that practices like the rack and screw must be left behind in the Old World.

Those who invited the president to Charlottesville to help celebrate the Declaration of Independence, which asserted basic freedoms that Mr. Bush has now curtailed, dishonor Mr. Jefferson in a most offensive way, scandalize our children and grandchildren, and desecrate Monticello itself.

A shameful day for the Commonwealth.

Raymond L. McGovern
Arlington, Virginia

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Ray McGovern, Co-Founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, spent 27 years in the CIA with duties including presentation of presidential daily brief.

Thank you for speaking up. I contacted them as well. Shameful day is right.

It's utterly incomprehensible this whole "curtailing of freedoms" bit by the perpetually-perturbed of our left wing. I challenge you to present one law-abiding American who's been whisked away to the gulag of the Bush Administration never to be heard from again. Go read Gulag Archipelago for a true rendition of abridged rights and injustice against a citizenry. One would think we were living in the early 1860's with the suspension of habeas corpus (that's the United States Civil War era for those of you attending an Ivy League college). Instead, it's all ad hominem, hyperbole, and just plain nonsense.

In short, it's an embarrassment to the United States of America, the liberty for which its government was founded upon to protect its citizens from all enemies foreign and domestic, and a testimony to the failure of our education (now indoctrination) system.

Incidentally, how does one boycott a foundation? Have you been contributing time and money up to now? Yeah, I'll bet...

Thought experiment: The smoke and airplane debris had come from The Rotunda instead of the Pentagon as I saw it.

...disruption on the citizenry....facisim...destruction of the Constitution...yeah, uh huh...

Have you forgotten? Clearly so.

This is why your arguments ring so incredibly hollow with those who don't listen to Phish or have two brain cells left.

Protesting is great and all, but I want the bastard arrested and pilloried! And you too, RtofCville. You Ditto-head clods have had 30 years sodomizing America - privatizing the profits, socializing the losses - get the hell off and let's see if we can resuscitate liberty. Or should we all just turn into gun-toting NASCAR racists and join you at the book burning? Rah Rah!

Hey crispy duck,
Jefferson's corpse finally just started to smile.
Is it possible rebellion is not dead in his land?

Now really! No one will be permitted to protest on site-Monticello-July 4. Just try and you will be dragged off kicking and screaming. You'll then be thrown in the slammer. Sure you can e-mail the foundation. They'll just push the delete button. The security on the mountain will be tight for days to come. Forget mouthing off in any way on the hill-July 4.

Indeed, Mr. Swanson, as long as there are a few of us out here who don't cringe at the words "liberal" or "hippie."

¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.¢Ã¢â??¬

¢Ã¢â??¬” George Washington

Is the the same Jefferson who arranged for his slaves to be sold off after he died to help pay his debts?

Spare me.

Is he going to apologize for being the WORST president and ruining our country? Probably not I'd guess.
Finally the MISSION is almost ACCOMPLISHED of getting his dumb ass outta office!

Ah, an honest leftie! A genuine ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??thank you¢Ã¢â??¬ crispy duck for revealing your true colors. I'm sure a few others of your ilk would agree with your sentiments. Seeing those not spouting the party-line of the ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??enlightened¢Ã¢â??¬ and ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??aware¢Ã¢â??¬ carted off to some ¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??camp¢Ã¢â??¬ for necessary disposal would not please you more, I'm sure. I'm sure President Washington would be proud.

And those on the right are the brownshirts....

Is this the fault of the TJ Foundation? The White House called and told them Bush wanted to be there. What are they to say, No he can't come? As far as I know, the Foundation steers clear of taking political sides. They have allowed any and all Presidents to visit, as far as I know.

I like it. We could turn Gitmo into a "playground" for the bloodlust set - you know: strength through overwhelming displays of inadequacy, like in Iraq - lock Limbaugh and O'Reilly in a cage with razors taped to their fingers, toss in some falafel and Vicodin, and let 'em go at it. The survivor gets to eat a welfare child. Awesome.

Ok, RtofCville...here's your story....

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-07-23-bush-protesters_x.htm

You asked for "one law-abiding American who's been whisked away to the gulag of the Bush Administration never to be heard from again." Here's a few who have been heard from. As for the rest, if they are never heard from again, how would we know about it? Very poor argument.

You wrote, "Go read Gulag Archipelago for a true rendition of abridged rights and injustice against a citizenry."

Sure, there's no "gulag" in America because people have the right to speak out when a leader is doing more harm than good, and we must continue to exercise that right to keep the "gulag" at bay.

The comparison is offensive, actually. Of course we don't have it that bad. You choose such inflations of the truth becuase you are desperate to justify your point of view.

Don't try to distract yourself from the issues today with an argument that "it could be much worse, look what they had to go through."

Very weak.

The core mission of Monticello is education. GWB is one person who could benefit greatly from a visit to the mountain. 8 years late is better than never.

Susan,
You point to a story about some folks bent on disturbing the peace in one line, state the possibility of being swept away to an actual gulag (only we don't know because they wouldn't be heard from again) in another, and a couple sentences later you say "in America people have the right to speak out when a leader is doing more harm than good."

So which is it?

As for the story, a) consider the source and the story's tone (hardly the objective just-the-facts distribution of a series of events) and b) note that all presidents have had their share of kooks taken off to the pokey from public events to cool off in the interest of safety, peace, and a host of other reasons that have nothing to do with abridgement of our freedom of speech. Personally speaking, I wouldn't give a flip if some John Birch Society member next to me were carted off at a Bill Clinton speech I happened to be attending (even though I think he's lent to worse constitutional infractions then anything Bush ever has); it's just plain bad manners for one and for another who knows if the guy was going to fly off the deep end and do something worse.

My admittedly hyperbolic example of the old soviet gulags was only in accordance with the literal hyperbolic notices of the state of the nation as expressed by the likes of Messrs. Swanson and duck. The weakness of the hard left's view is displayed by the weakness of the hyperbole. Don't blame me for the lack of logic on your side of the fence.

Nice try though.

I'll bow out of this discussion. I have to go watch my DVR'd NASCAR race, drink a beer with Billy Joe Bob, and set my spring traps around the compound lest Mr. Duck come after me later tonight. Last word is yours if you like.

Re Gulags...

Article XVII
ILLEGAL DETENTION: DETAINING INDEFINITELY AND WITHOUT CHARGE PERSONS BOTH U.S. CITIZENS AND FOREIGN CAPTIVES

In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution "to take care that the laws be faithfully executed", has both personally and acting through his agents and subordinates, together with the Vice President, violated United States and International Law and the US Constitution by illegally detaining indefinitely and without charge persons both US citizens and foreign captives.

In a statement on Feb. 7, 2002, President Bush declared that in the US fight against Al Qaeda, "none of the provisions of Geneva apply," thus rejecting the Geneva Conventions that protect captives in wars and other conflicts. By that time, the administration was already transporting captives from the war in Afghanistan, both alleged Al Qaeda members and supporters, and also Afghans accused of being fighters in the army of the Taliban government, to US-run prisons in Afghanistan and to the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The round-up and detention without charge of Muslim non-citizens inside the US began almost immediately after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, with some being held as long as nine months. The US, on orders of the president, began capturing and detaining without charge alleged terror suspects in other countries and detaining them abroad and at the US Naval base in Guantanamo.

Many of these detainees have been subjected to systematic abuse, including beatings, which have been subsequently documented by news reports, photographic evidence, testimony in Congress, lawsuits, and in the case of detainees in the US, by an investigation conducted by the Justice Department's Office of the Inspector General.

In violation of US law and the Geneva Conventions, the Bush Administration instructed the Department of Justice and the US Department of Defense to refuse to provide the identities or locations of these detainees, despite requests from Congress and from attorneys for the detainees. The president even declared the right to detain US citizens indefinitely, without charge and without providing them access to counsel or the courts, thus depriving them of their constitutional and basic human rights. Several of those US citizens were held in military brigs in solitary confinement for as long as three years before being either released or transferred to civilian detention.

Detainees in US custody in Iraq and Guantanamo have, in violation of the Geneva Conventions, been hidden from and denied visits by the International Red Cross organization, while thousands of others in Iraq, Guantanamo, Afghanistan, ships in foreign off-shore sites, and an unknown number of so-called "black sites" around the world have been denied any opportunity to challenge their detentions. The president, acting on his own claimed authority, has declared the hundreds of detainees at Guantanamo Bay to be "enemy combatants" not subject to US law and not even subject to military law, but nonetheless potentially liable to the death penalty.

The detention of individuals without due process violates the 5th Amendment. While the Bush administration has been rebuked in several court cases, most recently that of Ali al-Marri, it continues to attempt to exceed constitutional limits.

In all of these actions violating US and International law, President George W. Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and Commander in Chief, and subversive of constitutional government, to the prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore, President George W. Bush, by such conduct, is guilty of an impeachable offense warranting removal from office.

A Gulag Tale:

The guards at Guantanamo are terrified. Even a man with no legs (amputated after being intentionally exposed to extreme cold by American guards in Afghanistan) is treated as a horrifying threat:

Here's a quote. "The bandages wrapped around Abdul's stumps were never changed. When he took them off himself, they were full of blood and pus. He showed the bandage to the guards and pointed to his open wounds. The guards ignored him. Later I saw how he tried to wash the bandages in his bucket of drinking water. But he could hardly move his hands, so he wasn't able to. And even if he had, where would he have hung them up to dry? He wasn't allowed to touch the fence. He wrapped his stumps back up in the dirty bandages.

"When the guards came to take him to be interrogated, they ordered him to sit with his back to the door and put his hands on his head. When they opened the door, they stormed in as they did with every other prisoner. They hit him on the back and pushed him to the ground. Then they handcuffed and bound him so he could no longer move. Abdul howled in pain." End quote.

A man with no legs? No, a terrorist with no legs, a mythical evildoing creature with no legs. Hatred? Yes. Bigotry? Yes. But driven by fear instilled through training in the U.S. military, fear of monsters with superhuman powers, fear strong enough to make a team of armored storm troopers fear a legless man in a cage.

The passage I quoted is from "Five Years of My Life: An Innocent Man in Guantanamo," by Murat Kurnaz, and reading his account might begin to make the reader, too, view the caged prisoners as less than human, were it not for the skillful way in which Kurnaz intersperses descriptions of his pre-Guantanamo life in Germany.

Kurnaz made the mistake of traveling from Germany to Pakistan shortly after September 11, 2001. He has never been to Afghanistan, except in the custody of American guards who took him there from Pakistan on the way to Cuba. The Americans never alleged any particular crime, but simply declared him an enemy combatant and took away five years of his life. A U.S. military kangaroo-court commission convicted him on two counts. The first was having once been friends with a man who supposedly committed a suicide bombing long after Kurnaz was in Guantanamo and about which Kurnaz knew nothing. The strangest part about that first count is that the alleged suicide bomber is alive and well back in Germany, has never been involved in anything of the sort, and has not himself been charged with anything. The second count was of having accepted free food from a humanitarian group with which Kurnaz was working in Pakistan. How that act made Kurnaz "the worst of the worst" is not clear. While the United States always knew that they'd paid $3,000 to someone to turn Kurnaz in, in Pakistan, on the basis of no suspicion of anything, the tribunal concluded that he'd been arrested as an al Qaeda fighter in Afghanistan. At least that was the conclusion up until the moment the United States set him free, or the moment three years earlier when the United States decided he was innocent but allowed him to be tortured daily for three more years prior to release.

At Kandahar air base in Afghanistan, Kurnaz was deprived of food and sleep, routinely beaten, electro-shocked through his feet, threatened with drowning and his head held under water, and hung from the ceiling by his wrists until he lost consciousness. Kurnaz was in very good physical shape prior to this ordeal, and survived it. He saw others die from these procedures. Kurnaz did not know at the time that the worst still lay ahead for him on a Caribbean island, and he had no idea where he was being taken when they loaded him on the plane for Guantanamo:

"They chained us together and herded us onto a plane. We were bound so tightly we couldn't move a millimeter. Again, I thought they were taking us to an American military base in Turkey. What else was I supposed to think?

"Sleep would have been the only consolation in such a situation. But the soldiers kept hitting us to keep us awake. I thought about the American movies I had seen in Bremen. Action flicks and war movies. I used to admire the Americans. Now I was getting to know their true nature.

"I say that without anger. It's simply the truth, as I saw and experienced it. I don't want to insult anyone, and I'm not talking about all Americans. But the ones I encountered are terrified of pain. They're afraid of every little scratch, bacteria, and illness. They're like little girls, I'd say. If you examine Americans closely, you realize this - no matter how big or powerful they are. But in movies, they're always the heroes."

Brought to the New World in a transport reminiscent of slave ships, Kurnaz was placed in a small metal cage (six by seven feet) exposed to the sun, rain, spiders, snakes, and soldiers, on a lawless military base in Cuba. And he was better off than most of those around him.

"I know of a prisoner," he wrote, "who complained of a toothache. He was brought to a dentist, who pulled out his healthy teeth as well as the rotten one. I knew a man from Morocco who used to be a ship captain. He couldn't move one of his little fingers because of frostbite. The rest of his fingers were all right. They told him they would amputate the little finger. They brought him to the doctor, and when he came back he had no fingers left. They had amputated everything but his thumbs."

Even in Cuba, one of the torture techniques employed is subjection to extreme cold inside a chilled metal box. Kurnaz provides us an inside account of these experiences, and of the day-to-day life of solitary confinement, beatings, interrogations, and denial of adequate nutrition. Kurnaz was once kept awake for three weeks. He was given extensive stays in solitary. He was subjected to extremes of cold and heat. He was denied oxygen almost to the point of suffocation.

When guards trampled a Koran, the prisoners began a hunger strike and discovered that the General in charge did not want them to die. They discovered that they had some power, and they got organized. In the end, Kurnaz and others were force-fed, and the commander of Guantanamo was replaced with another (General Geoffrey Miller) who seemed not to care at all who lived or died. Prisoners once mixed feces and water and threw it on Miller's face, and from that point on called him "Mr. Toilet."

In this environment, Kurnaz found humanity among the prisoners, who shared the little food they were given and cared for each other. And in very rare instances he found humanity in a couple of guards who spoke of their disagreement with what they were engaged in. One can only hope that every man and woman who has served as a guard at Guantanamo reads Kurnaz's book and adds their voice to the growing chorus speaking truth to unspeakable power.

In Guantanamo, prisoners are sometimes told they are being released, given clothes, placed on airplanes, and then thrown back in their cages. So, Kurnaz was inclined to be skeptical when told of his impending release:

"I was brought to an interrogation room and chained to the floor. But no one came to ask me any questions. Hours later, two soldiers appeared and placed a telephone on the table.

"'You'll be getting a call,' they told me.

"That made me curious. I didn't know who the caller would be. An interrogator? My lawyer? Maybe the judge?

"More hours passed. What was going on here? Suddenly the phone rang, but no one came to help me.

"I couldn't pick up the receiver with my hands and feet shackled, but the telephone kept ringing. I threw myself to the floor and tried to drag the table toward me with my feet. Kicking one of the table legs, I managed to dislodge the receiver and knock it down to the floor. I squirmed to get my head as close as possible to the handset. I could just hear a voice on the other end of the line.

"'Hello? Hello?'

"'Yes...'

"It's me, Baher. You're going to be released!'

"'I know. How are you doing?'

"'Murat, are you listening? You're going to be released.'

"'I know,' I said. 'They're playing a nasty trick on you. How is your daughter doing?'

Yet he was released. And yet we do not all know his name. For five year our tax dollars paid guards to ask him his name and other basic questions endlessly, between beatings. And yet we do not all know his story or feel the shame of it.

All across the United States of America there are university departments that claim to teach philosophy and others that claim to teach politics, and yet there are not a million students and professors in Washington, D.C., every day demanding impeachment. How can this be? Can a German victim of our apathy shake us out of our Good-Germanism?

Should I post hundreds of similar accounts from our gulags? Would that be appropriate netiquette? Or would it make more sense to allow people to just use Google or a library card? Or start here:
http://afterdowningstreet.org/busharticleXIX

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David, you are right on. ROC, you are foolish; you can't win this, man. The duck does not mess around.
And it's "cripsy" not crispy - where've you been?!

Swanson, you are a badass.
RtofCVille, I don't really want you locked in a camp. I know we've got to co-exist with the cavemen who LET 9/11 HAPPEN, brought us the War on Drugs, the Contract With Bill Clinton's Sex Life, $5 a gallon gas, an endless and unwinnable fantasy "war" against a strategy, and who have traded our country's soul for cheap Chinese goods, but since you guys have been wrong about EVERYTHING YOU'VE SUPPOSEDLY STOOD FOR these long decades, I don't think your opinion is worth much anymore.
Your arguments are feeble and soon, gods willing, your insidious movement will be seen for what it really is: a racket. I can't wait.

If you really wanna get ticked off, feel free to read and comment on
Why Conservatives Hate America

For those who have questioned the "appropriateness" of protesting Mr. Bush's visit, perhaps you might consider that the people who will become US citizens on Friday have become refugees, to some extent, because they disagree with the governments of the countries from which they come and they lack the freedom to express their opposition. What more fitting demonstration, especially on this occasion, of what being an American really means could you imagine than expressing your opposition to George Bush?

cripsy duck - "If you really wanna get ticked off, feel free to read"...

any of Emeritus Professor David Ray Griffin's scholarship on 9/11: Bush and Cheney didn't "let it happen," they committed it.

Wishing to remain in denial is certainly understandable, psychologically and economically. The truth of the matter, however, is, through reason, fully knowable.

"Never fear to follow Truth wherever it may lead." TJ

Death for Treason

P.S. A vast protest around Monticello Mountain is the best welcoming gift possible for our new countrymen. This is America, yet, by G-d.

By Laurie Dobson

Generally Bush tries to come to Kennebunkport on July 4th. It's Bush family tradition. This year, however, we have a large assemblage coming to Kennebunkport with keynote speaker Bob Bowman. Also speaking will be Harold Burbank, Kurt Daims, and myself, Laurie Dobson, with open discussions planned regarding the current state of the world and including updates on the Bush Indictment Resolution going forward in Kennebunkport. So I don't think he wants to be here this year...

Laurie Dobson is Maine's Independent for US Senate
http://www.dobsonforsenate.com

RtofCville,
I didn't mention the possibility of a "gulag"- You did.

Learn reading comprehension and critical thinking, then come back to the forum. You are too pitiful to argue with.

Why all the inflammatory remarks? July 4th is a great day for our Nation, it is our 'birth' day and without it, none of us would have the freedoms we have (left, right or middle). There is a time and place for protests, no matter what anyone says and the more reasonable we are, the more we will be heard in the long run. Otherwise we just look like fools. This is an opportunity for all of us on all sides to show our respect for each other and to welcome our new citizens.

God Bless us all and our Nation.

Can someone let me know when Bush will be scheduling a public appearance to hear public dissent about his terrible job as prez? Sure this is not the time to protest or be heard...maybe i'll just stand in front of the Whitehouse and protest to the fence instead. LOL

Declaration of Impeachment

Issued by Veterans for Peace for July 4

Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and are instituted to secure the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But

¢Ã¢â??¬Ã?â??¢Ã¢â??¬Šwhenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

¢Ã¢â??¬Šall experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations¢Ã¢â??¬Šdesign(s) to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

¢Ã¢â??¬ŠThe history of the present King (George) of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny¢Ã¢â??¬ŠTo prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
Ã?â??§ He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
Ã?â??§ He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
Ã?â??§ He has¢Ã¢â??¬Šdeprive(ed) us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury¢Ã¢â??¬Štransport(ed) us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
Ã?â??§ He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us¢Ã¢â??¬Š
Ã?â??§ He is at this time transporting large Armies¢Ã¢â??¬Što compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
Ã?â??§ He has constrained our fellow Citizens¢Ã¢â??¬Što become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

A (President) whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
We, therefore¢Ã¢â??¬Šdo, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People¢Ã¢â??¬Šsolemnly publish and declare, That these¢Ã¢â??¬ŠFree and Independent (People)¢Ã¢â??¬Šare Absolved from all Allegiance to the (Bush Administration), and that all political connection between them and (this Administration), is and ought to be totally dissolved¢Ã¢â??¬ŠAnd for the support of this Declaration¢Ã¢â??¬Šwe mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.¢Ã¢â??¬

(Note: Except for the first two lines above and words in parentheses, this Declaration is quoted directly from the original Declaration of Independence.) www.veteransforpeace.org

Celebrating Independence in the Era of Empire
By Medea Benjamin, July 3, 2005 -- updated July 3, 2007

This Fourth of July, while Americans are marching in parades and oohing and aahing at the fireworks, it would be a patriotic gesture to also spend some time thinking about what independence means today.

Our nation was founded on a determination to be free of domination by the British empire. The US Declaration of Independence proclaimed the need to fight the War of Independence against Britain because King George III had 'kept among us standing armies' that committed intolerable 'abuses and usurpations.' Today it is our government whose standing army is committing abuses and usurpations in foreign lands. Today it is our government that is in the business of empire-building. Even before 9/11, the US military maintained over 700 foreign military bases and installations and almost 250,000 troops in 130 countries.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison all warned that the invasion and occupation of other lands would turn America into precisely the sort of empire against which they had so recently rebelled. "We should have nothing to do with conquest," asserted Jefferson in 1791.

READ THE REST.

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps
From Hitler to Pinochet and beyond, history shows there are certain steps that any would-be dictator must take to destroy constitutional freedoms. And, argues Naomi Wolf, George Bush and his administration seem to be taking them all.
By Naomi Wolf, The Guardian, Tuesday April 24, 2007

Last autumn, there was a military coup in Thailand. The leaders of the coup took a number of steps, rather systematically, as if they had a shopping list. In a sense, they did. Within a matter of days, democracy had been closed down: the coup leaders declared martial law, sent armed soldiers into residential areas, took over radio and TV stations, issued restrictions on the press, tightened some limits on travel, and took certain activists into custody.

They were not figuring these things out as they went along. If you look at history, you can see that there is essentially a blueprint for turning an open society into a dictatorship. That blueprint has been used again and again in more and less bloody, more and less terrifying ways. But it is always effective. It is very difficult and arduous to create and sustain a democracy - but history shows that closing one down is much simpler. You simply have to be willing to take the 10 steps.

READ THE REST.

Hey, Swanson cut and paste is such a waste.
Have you nothing of your own to say or are your tired from calling everyone who disagrees with you a nazi over on cvillenews.com

Dave Swanson,

Just admit you don't like Bush an stop saying he is violating the
Constitution .Totally butch of BS as if that is true then a number of
Presidents would have been in violation..including FDR of the detention
of Japanese in WWI.I

As far as the drop in IQ...I think he will increase it over you liberal idiots on this blog....Did YOU graduate from Yale and Harvard. ANd yes he had better grades than Kerry and Gore but then again that is not saying
much !!

I don't think IQ is very important for a president and I've never met Bush and FDR did indeed violate the Constitution - most presidents have in some way or other. But none of them have come close to this record until now:
http://afterdowningstreet.org/busharticles

FYI:

Cheney to Join Bush in Celebrating Constitution (R.I.P.) on Fourth of July

While George Dubya will desecrate Monticello with some dishonest remarks from a podium on Friday as new citizens swear to defend the Constitution he has destroyed, this AP story has the plans of the man in charge. Dick Cheney will make his remarks on a ship named the Constitution and talk about fighting pirates rather than being one:

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Dick Cheney to visit Boston on July Fourth
By Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney will be in Boston on July Fourth to attend a ceremony aboard the USS Constitution.

Cheney spokeswoman Megan Mitchell said today that Cheney will attend Friday's military reenlistment ceremony on the historic warship, known as "Old Ironsides."

The Constitution was commissioned in 1797 and is docked at Boston's historic Charlestown Naval Yard, a national park. The ship never lost a battle, from fighting pirates in the Caribbean to British in the War of 1812.

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While only a small minority anywhere in the United States actually supports Bush or Cheney, it will be interesting to see which setting serves as better protection for them from protesters cowed by fears of negative PR. Bush will surround himself with new citizens being naturalized, and Cheney with members of the military. While most Americans oppose the policies of their military, many are extremely resistant to saying so in the presence of members of the military. Charlottesville and Boston, birthplaces of the Revolution and of the author of the Declaration of Independence, let the contest begin. Where does the spirit of rebellion still breathe?

Suck a nut, Son of Ludicrousness. You conservative twats have been so wrong for so long, you don't even know you've been had.

While you fools are bickering online, helicopters have been flying over my house for two hours (9-11 am Wed. in Belmont) CPD confirmed it's "in preparation of the president." And my long distance calls have become mysteriously static, the last one just cut out. We've got two more days of this invasion to endure!

Son of Liberty,

The discussion is useless. Government is their religion and those of differing points of view of what it should be used for is their political axe of which they grind. To hash out the true meaning of liberty and freedom as the Founders envisioned and how it is no way being infringed upon by the current Administration (well, it terms of the War on Terror anyway...other areas are very debatable in terms of national sovereignty) is like spitting in the wind. They would be saying zilch if a Democrat were occupying the Oval Office (I wonder where Mr. Swanson was during our stint in Bosnia in the 90's?).

The main goal is to out-write with kook conspiracy articles (ala Mr. Swanson) and crush all dissent with name calling and hyperbole until there is nobody left except those who are "critical thinkers" and are in line with their own utopian worldview of the "betters" and "those who know their place and rely on the betters".

So much for freedom of speech, tolerance, and open-mindedness...the beat rolls on.

wanted clinton impeached over bosnia, although not over sex, and still do, except that some other folks have opened up a huge lead in the contest for who most merits impeachment first

(sorry to but-in on this conversation between you and some guy with my name who holds opinions you invent)

best,
David

Any president who commits such attacks on the constitution (detention of citizens without charge, warrantless surveillance, etc) and shows such disregard for law and genuine justice (torture, rendition, etc), should be protested anywhere and everywhere he goes. That's allowing for the fact that this president (and others before him) have made it effectively illegal to protest nearly anywhere and everywhere a president goes.