Sullivan oustermath: A timeline of UVA in tumult

Some believe that UVA's Rector needs to step down. Late May to early June - In the "why we can't afford to wait" emails later obtained by the Cavalier Daily, Rector Helen Dragas and Vice-Rector Mark Kington swap newspaper and magazine articles as well as a YouTube video to convince each other how important it is to launch online classes and– with a doctor's speech to Williams College– to make sudden directional shifts when they smell a whiff of failure in the air.

6/07 - Thursday – "Mark and I will both be in Charlottesville tomorrow," Dragas emails President Sullivan, "and would appreciate a meeting with you." The President asks if she can prepare anything.

6/08 - Friday – Making representations about Board of Visitors support for their move, Dragas and Kington personally deliver the blow to the President.

Dragas enters the marathon BOV meeting. 6/09 - Saturday – President Teresa Sullivan caves to their demand and agrees to proclaim a "philosophical difference."

6/10 - Sunday – Kington & Dragas recruit Hunter Craig, the sole Charlottesville-based member of the BOV's executive committee, to create a three-person quorum to accept the resignation. Dragas and Kington hold a press conference on the steps of Madison Hall. Later, Kington emails Dragas: "I am proud to serve with you."

6/11 - Monday – After receiving talking points from Dragas the previous day, various deans begin releasing a smattering of we're-surprised-but-we'll-survive emails.

Mark Kington gets a high score of 94 out of 100 on Muckety.com's influence index, which maps the power of the one percent. 6/12 - Tuesday – Like the Rosetta Stone, a leaked email reveals key aspects of "this project." Released by the Richmond Times-Dispatch, the culpabilty-grabbing missive from then Darden Foundation chair Peter Kiernan proclaims that he was recruited by "two important Virginia alums" that the effort has "the support and assent of the Governor." (And the unforgettable line: "Trust me, Helen has things well in hand.")

6/13 - Wednesday – The Hook's first major report connects certain threads including the Darden connection of Kiernan, Dragas, and Kington and their talk of "strategic dynamism" into an article headlined "Cabal Hall."

6/14 - Thursday – Peter Kiernan resigns from the Darden Board via a letter whose reading by the dean at a Darden town hall meeting gets met with applause.

Paul Tudor Jones, shown here with his wife Sonia, has apologized for inappropriate remarks he made at a UVA symposium concerning female traders. 6/15 - Friday – In a candid interview, former UVA president Robert O'Neil criticizes the ouster and explains how smoothly his own 1989 non-renewal went: for him, for UVA, and for the free speech organization he ran until his 2011 retirement.

6/16 - Saturday – Immediate past president John Casteen named as a protestor. The American Association of University Professors launches an investigation of possible governance violations. And, in a Hook exclusive, sources reveal that billionaire hedge fund manager and UVA donor Paul Tudor Jones was involved in the ouster. (Less than a day later, an "elated" Paul Tudor Jones gushes in Sunday morning Daily Progress op/ed: "The spirit of Thomas Jefferson, the first rector of the University of Virginia, is cheering this action by the Board of Visitors.")

Teresa Sullivan sent congratulations to all those appointed to the Board of Visitors, including her former nemesis Helen Dragas. 6/17 - Sunday – The Faculty Senate holds an open meeting to confirm its "no confidence" vote in the Board of Visitors; and the University spokesperson reveals that the President, supposedly on the job until August 15, has been stripped of supervisory roles and that several key employees have been ordered instead to report directly to Rector Dragas.

6/18 - Monday – On the day that Rector Dragas is revealed to have hired Hill & Knowlton to manage information, the Faculty Senate's executive committee calls for the reinstatement of Sullivan, for the resignation of Dragas, and the appointment of a faculty member to the Board. Walking through a crowd of about 3,000 on the Lawn on her way to address the Board, Sullivan evokes cheers and tears.

Dragas declined to heed calls to resign. 6/19 - Tuesday – The day dawns mere hours after an 11-hour Board meeting– at which Hunter Craig now urges reinstatement– taps McIntire School of Commerce Dean Carl Zeithaml as interim president.  A few individuals shouting "shame" and "resign" follow Rector Dragas to her car at 3am. Later in the day, an esteemed computer science professor resigns in protest, Kington resigns, and the man who appointed Dragas, former governor Tim Kaine, begins criticizing the process.

6/20 - Wednesday – Interim President-select Carl Zeithaml denounces both the decision and the process of sacking Sullivan. The Dragas-Kington emails released the previous evening by the Cavalier Daily incite a new wave of outrage.

Zeithaml will take the reins from Sullivan (or Dragas) on August 16. 6/21 - Thursday – The 10 invited deans (McIntire Dean Zeithaml wasn't asked) call for Sullivan's reinstatement, the United4Honor Facebook page tops 12,500 members. And then this jaw-dropper: three members of the BOV call for a Tuesday meeting to vote on reinstating Sullivan.

6/22 - Friday – Citing the groundswell of support for Sullivan and the BOV's call for a reinstatement vote, Interim President-Select Zeithaml returns to the deanship of McIntire. Governor McDonnell says he'll fire the entire Board if they can't close the matter and unify. Five days after Democratic Delegate David Toscano urged reinstatement, Republicans issue similar messages.

Eliazabeth Sweatman found a powerful new use for a Cavalier fan shirt. 6/23 - Saturday – A day so calm that it may have seemed the only thing close to news were the accidental broadcast of a pro-Sullivan video by trapped-in-place University spokesperson Carol Wood (now forced to report to Dragas) and the standing ovation that President Sullivan received at the evening's performance of 1776 at Heritage Theatre Festival. But then the members of UVA's Council of Foundations revealed that they too have joined the near-unanimous reinstatement call.

6/24 - Sunday – Rally for Honor on the UVA Lawn draws Wahoos from across Virginia and the region.

6/25 - Monday – No major developments, other than frantic vote-counting among those handicapping Tuesday's BOV meeting.

6/26 - Tuesday – What will surely be the most Tweeted BOV meeting in UVA history, an event called to reconsider the employment of Teresa A. Sullivan. As this paper went to press, the Board of Visitors voted unanimously to reinstate Sullivan.

–>Folllow http://twitter.com/#!/readthehook/

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Are there more FOIA materials forthcoming?

"It is more honorable to repair a wrong than to persist in it."

- Thomas Jefferson

A Time line of memorable Hook comments (by memory without looking at them again)
-Its about gender was the very first comment, "can't wait to see what white guy they replace her with" by ----
-"Its about Abortion" by Sean
-"Make a law to keep the fat cats off BOV by ---? (if this legally passed, by the letter of the law it would only keep Garfield the cat off the BOV)
-She would be better in reporting rapes was Susan R's take
- Then it was about donor funding, then Darden take over and finally on on line learning and then I come back today and culture wars in general comes up

Today's Washington Post reports that Geoff Allen, a start up internet business guru, states that on line instruction is intended to increase graduation rates, raise GPAs and reduce teaching resources. I wonder if he is related to the Dragon Lady? Reducing faculty at a time in our nation when we need to motivate students is silly. Inflating GPAs is even sillier. There is no creditable research to support any of Mr. Allen's statements. The BOV should watch out what it wishes for, it just might get it!

How about -- ALL the Above? I don't think there was one exact reason, just no love between Dragas and Sullivan. What Dragas didn't anticipate was that Sullivan was respectedby the Staff and Students. (Even the persons you mention who have had public clashes with the school threw their support to Sullivan -- that speaks volumes.)

The bottom line: it IS all about money. About public perception, about salaries, about tuition, about Donors.

IF Sullivan comes back, she should clean house. She needs to be surrounded by a "Community of Trust" if she is going to do her job. She can't be looking over her shoulder, distracted by the thought that she could be sacked at any given point in time.

Sam:

We don't know the motives of the Dragas/Kington cabal. They may have been financial, may have been ideological, or may have been some combination thereof.

We do know, however, that 'statistics' and language from the Koch-funded American Council of Trustees and Alumni have shown up in statements written for Rector Dragas and in the very few other public expressions in defense of Dragas. It is, therefore, quite relevant that the Governor was at the Koch-funded confab over the past weekend.

So, did Tudor Jones really think the university community (excluding athletics) would slink away from this higher ed lynching just because he donated a jillon dollars for JPJ and for a contemplation center?! No way. From now on, I'm going to call that edifice the "John Paul Jerk" building. Add that to the timeline.

Shinealight --

Do you think he ever thought that he would be at the center of this sort of debate? He was hoping to use his donation money to silently influence the university, pulling strings from behind the scenes while people were too busy studying, teaching, or getting drunk and watching football games.

Just follow the money... University of Florida has gone full in for online learning, pulling in $66 million per year

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120619/ARTICLES/120619530/1183?p=1&...

@SimplySaid

You are entirely correct, and everyone should take note.

History is replete with dark conspiracies launched by a cabalistic few, but they rarely succeed in their aims. What is much more common is intersecting priorities and working misunderstandings among a larger group.

Thus many of the theories posited might be "true" for some of the involved parties but can't adequately explain the whole.

I wish Ron Suskind '81 to report:
http://www.virginia.edu/finals/speeches/05valspeech.html

Thanks Karl, I'm sure that once Sullivan is reinstated the subject of online learning will be hotly debated. I have heard others say that there is no business model that makes money, but this article says otherwise. Any online learning experts care to comment ?

And note the last line

“There's a risk here of going too slowly,” he said.

"Are there more FOIA materials forthcoming?"

WR,
Excellent question. And if any not forthcoming, why?

"It is, therefore, quite relevant that the Governor was at the Koch-funded confab over the past weekend"

BleedOandB,
Most interesting, what was and where was said confab? Koch's are Princeton grads I believe.

HS, nice timeline, helpful.

And Karl, I'm sure you noted that the 66 million was gross and not net. One has to wonder how much money actually went into the bank.

I can see both sides of this story. UVA is a big ship. It is an educational institution, not a business. On the other hand, the numbers don't lie! I know that APU has 100,000 online students. Liberty has 50,000 online students. What is the number of people in Virginia that are taking online courses ... probably triple that! UVA has zero, Nada, nothing! Regardless, Dragas went about this wrong and should be removed!

Clifford:

The confab was in San Diego. More information with links to further reporting can be found here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/mcdonnell-att...

The Koch brothers actually went to MIT so don't hate on the other colors in my bloodstream (grin).

I just heard Coy Barefoot report that his sources tell him the votes to reinstate are not confirmed, but they are close, with 2 undecided.

Rick, among online courses at U.Va. that I know of, many are offered both in the Engineering School and in the BIS Program of the SCPS. You will find out something about Larry Richards's experience in this area from this YouTube video of his speech at Sunday's rally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUaXFOa5TGE&feature=relmfu

I took a few online (actually closed circuit TV) grad engineering courses from UVa up here in northern Virginia in the early 90's. The prof was teaching a class at UVa with a camera and mic and we had a classroom here with microphones. UVa has been delivering courses like this since at least then. It was OK, but not a substitute for the University experience. It's not just the physical place that Jefferson created (but it is that in part), it is the close interaction with professors and the interaction with students from all sorts of disciplines and more.

BleedOandB,

Thanks for the info on the guv chez Koch. Guv is in pretty deep it would appear.

Also, thanks for correcting me per their MIT connection. I have fond memories of a wonderful visit to Princeton almost five decades ago for a party weekend. Lovely date, great place, great time.

As for the Kochs, Prof. Juan Cole at Michigan, a leading Middle East scholar, has written incisively on the matter of the culture war on higher education. Article is entitled "The Koch Brothers and the End of State Universities":

"The real scandal around the endowment by the Koch brothers of two chairs at Florida State University is that state universities now have to seek such outside money and accept strings. The reason they have to do so is that many state legislatures have chosen not to have state universities any more. At many ‘state universities’ the state contribution to the general operating fund is less than 20 percent, falling toward 10 percent.

This abandonment of their responsibilities to higher education on the part of the states hurts students in the first instance. Institutions that used to be affordable to students from working and lower middle class backgrounds are now increasingly out of reach for them. State universities are becoming the new Ivies, a good bargain still for the upper middle class and the wealthy, but a distant dream for the daughter or son of a worker in a fast food restaurant.

This development is also scary because it promotes the corruption of academia. In fact, as Charles Ferguson showed in his film, “Inside Job,” some academic economists are already hopelessly corrupt. The barracuda capitalist system in contemporary America provides many incentives for economists to promote laissez-faire, anti-regulatory ideas of the sort that led to the 2008 collapse of our economy. Endowments with strings attached are just one more...."
http://www.juancole.com/2011/05/the-koch-brothers-and-the-end-of-state-u...

So I imagine a reasonable surmise is that the Koch brothers influence is somewhere behind the scenes in the Sullivan matter and the general attack on Mr. Jerfferson's University.

Liberty currently has 83,000 online students, or so I'm told. I have a friend who teaches MBA students online and here are some insights. An MBA course typically has 20 students. Students are assigned a textbook and other coursework. Each class is 8 weeks and there are no lectures. The students read the material and do the assignments in teams on discussion boards. A faculty member's job is to make sure the students do their assignments and then grade whatever is due. In essence, I would describe the process as independent group study. How valuable of an education is this? Who knows.

"When the rector of the Board, Helen Dragas, declared late last week that she was unsatisfied by the fact that she saw the University of Virginia falling behind other major universities in the deployment of digital classroom innovation, we were shocked.

Why didn’t she just ask us? UVa’s innovative digital reputation is one of the reasons I moved here five years ago. I have taught online, and so have many of my colleagues. If she had asked, I would have introduced Dragas to six or seven of my colleagues, including distinguished professors of computer science, English, religious studies, and engineering. I would have taken her to our world-renowned Scholars’ Lab and introduced her to the staff members who guide students and professors through the use of powerful digital platforms and tools."

http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/the-right-way-to-lead-higher-educ...

Kenny,

Having online classes is not the same thing as having online degree programs that focus on continuing education for adults. Charlottesville High school has online classes! Pay attention to that commercial where a woman proudly received her Doctorate online! Phoenix ... that is another school with 100,000 online students and down the road is Grand Canyon with 60,000 online students! The future is here!

UVa, along with Tech, ODU, VCU, and Mason, launched the Commonwealth Graduate Engineering Program in 1983. Without CGEP, it is likely that I would not have gotten my master's in systems engineering because I just did not have the ability at the time to attend classes on site. I remember the TV days! It's all about Internet streaming now, but the core value of providing a solid educational experience remains. Larry Richards makes critical distinctions between CGEP and other online learning programs in the aforementioned video. I KNEW my professors and that they truly cared about all their students - both on and off grounds - mastering the presented concepts and content.

Liberty online you are incorrect ... I just transferred out of Liberty! I have hundreds of hours of lectures delivered through iTunes University. Every one of my courses had either video or audio lectures and other means of delivering information.

@Simply Said June 25th, 2012 | 2:50pm
“IF Sullivan comes back, she should clean house. She needs to be surrounded by a "Community of Trust" if she is going to do her job. She can't be looking over her shoulder, distracted by the thought that she could be sacked at any given point in time.”

Shinealight June 25th, 2012 | 3:04pm
“So, did Tudor Jones really think the university community (excluding athletics) would slink away from this higher ed lynching just because he donated a jillon dollars for JPJ and for a contemplation center?! No way. From now on, I'm going to call that edifice the "John Paul Jerk" building. Add that to the timeline.”

Agree!!! President Sullivan has a pretty good idea of who needs to go. If she needs hints, which I’m sure she doesn’t, read local and national posts. There are glaring missing support statements for Sullivan’s reinstatement. It’s all about money and power!
(Mom would be proud; no multisyllabic words and/or sentences longer than 20 words)

Perhaps on that timeline there should be placed:

04/06/2012

Virginia’s new high school graduation requirement: One online course

By Emma Brown

Gov. Robert F. McDonnell signed into law Thursday a bill that will require Virginia high school students to take at least one virtual course to graduate with a standard or advanced diploma.

The new requirement will apply to students who enter ninth grade in 2013-14, said Charles Pyle, spokesman for the Virginia Department of Education. "

Maybe an article regarding "online courses" is in the air! Comments would be interesting to read and think about but at the moment, my thoughts are on tomorrow's critical meeting. It's not over......

@Rick "I just transferred out of Liberty! I have hundreds of hours of lectures delivered through iTunes University. Every one of my courses had either video or audio lectures and other means of delivering information."

Who grades the assignments? Sweatshop workers overseas?

Good luck getting Paravati in Bangalore or Biêt Thién in Ho Chi Minh City to develop your kid's potential or write them a letter of recommendation for a job.

Naturally, Virginia governors are loathe to give up a big perk of their job, appointing hundreds of wealthy big donors (to them or their political parties) as board directors of the Commonwealth's fifteen state institutions of higher education. Then, as a "practical" double 'hoo (Ph.D.,MBA and retired quarter century long participant in that "filthy money" profession of fundraising at UVA), I would propose a (tongue in cheek?) compromise. Why not make the best of all possible worlds. " Put their money where their hubris is": Require a proportionally very large personal financial commitment to the institution by persons appointed to serving as BOV members. After all, most are believers in the power of money to resolve problems. Two thirds of my estate is going to UVA, which in the scale of things will mean relatively little to the University. But, what if our governors would require such a substantial commitment (a half, a third of any estate over five or ten million dollars?) to the University. Then you'd see who really cares about "serving the University." And this would make the University much more likely to be able to resolve its seemingly largely financially based needs, while the BOV members continue to get their usual privilege of imposing their own personal money governs ideas and success models. So I'll be impressed only when I see the Paul Tudor Jones type billionaires and multi-millionaire "influencers" and BOV members committing a third, a half, or two thirds of their three billion dollar estates to help the University to resolve the problems they like to point out exist for others to resolve. Think, for example, of the salary raise needs that would be met by a University president with four percent annually paid out from such a multi-billion dollar fund!. Until then I'll have to presume many of these persons are politically connected dilletantes enjoying playing God with other people's careers and money, and seeking to impose their personal values (good or bad) that made them successful in acquiring their fortunes (except for those among them with family wealth who were "born on third base believe they hit a triple"). This is a University trapped by some nineteenth century governance concepts/structures overlaid by a concept that having big money confers intellectual superiority and a right to govern the Commonwealth's intelllectual training institutions according to one's particular prejudices and business background. With any luck this current entire sordid example of hubris will lead to a rexamination that results in a twenty-first century institutional governance concept and structure recognizing that its maximum performance (hallowed national rankings) will best arise from the University being a "multi-stakeholder partnership" rather than a political payoff fiefdom.

Did the Sonia Jones McYoga (aka "Contemplative Sciences Center") find its founding director, as advertised?

Will UVa students now taking Yoga for academic credit?
http://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/ContemplationDir/

"At this juncture," Sonia Jones said, "our educational system needs to consider new ideas and practices for the mind and body that can complement its traditional valuation of critical thought and debate. We think contemplative and yogic traditions offer transformative possibilities in this regard, and hope that our gift will enable U.Va. to engage in an extraordinary experiment aimed at reassessing learning and well-being in relationship to these traditions."

What expertise in higher education does Mrs. Jones bring to higher education?

One question here - if they are all concerned about on-line learning and need an investment - why not stop the Yoga Building that Jones is to build and put it into on-line education? Oh, that is right, arrogance.

No one is against on-line learning but there are courses that could not be taught this way - example Nursing and phlebotomy - I'm sure we can all agree we would want a nurse to be trained in person and not with a virtual arm!

The point is Dragas never knew of how much UVA was doing and she and others jumped the gun and manufactured something in their own heads based upon articles they didn't completely read. Mistakes happen. Now it has come out, and perhaps UVa can do more.

Truly on-line courses and degrees came into play - not for high schoolers but for those of us in the workforce who do not have the time (because we work) to go to school in the traditional sense. For that, I think UVA could take what they have and do something amazing which would further revenue. And by no means should it be like "fast food education".

What needs to be done in Virginia is changing how the BoV at every state college/university is chosen, have an equal number of alum, faculty, student leaders (so the Board is informed on the educations received) and perhaps community leaders. It is about time for unification of all those in order to help not just UVA - but the entire area of the universities and colleges.

" But, what if our governors would require such a substantial commitment (a half, a third of any estate over five or ten million dollars?) to the University. Then you'd see who really cares about "serving the University."

Not only that, maybe then they could pay their employees a living wage!

@C'villeNative. Believe it or not - nursing degrees obtained online are very common - and very popular. Seems a little wacky but I have a friend who just received her BSN in this manner. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/education/changing-requirements-send-n...

WAPO News item indicates that the UVA alum Delegates who signed the letter for reinstatement were all Dems. Reps refused to sign it. So it this a partisan issue? Is this a POLITICAL issue?
Why didn't Reps sign? "Philosophy"? or...POLITICS and culture war.

"Legislators who are alumni of the University of Virginia sent a letter to the Board of Visitors about the leadership crisis at the school.

But of the 18 U-Va. graduates in the Virginia General Assembly, only Democrats signed the letter.

Is it partisan politics at work? Democrats say yes. Republicans say no.

The letter, which calls for President Teresa Sullivan to be reinstated, was signed by House Minority Leader David Toscano (Charlottesville) and seven others in the House and Senate.

Republicans, including Speaker William Howell (R-Stafford), did not sign. (But Del. Robert Bell (R-Albemarle), who represents the area, sent his own letter calling for Sullivan to be reinstated.)

Del. Tom Rust (R-Fairfax), who spent years serving on the Virginia Tech and Longwood boards, said party affiliation has nothing to do with it.

"It’s inappropriate for the General Assembly to get involved,’’ he said. “It sets a bad precedent.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/virginia-politics/post/legislators--...

Rust is mouthing patent nonsense. The General Assembly has oversight precisely because that it what Mr. Jefferson and his colleagues Madison and Monroe wanted.
This is a public institution and the General Assembly has responsibility and oversight in the matter.

Said Rust on 3 June 2011, "The incumbent said, if re-elected, he intends to hit the ground running to continue building on plans to beef up Virginia’s higher education system through more accountability. Legislators, he said, are working on a funding package that will be tied to the number of students graduating with science, technology, engineering or mathematics degrees and the percentage of graduating freshmen.

“We’re going to change the way higher ed is done in Virginia,” Rust said."

http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20110603/NEWS/706039816&template=fai...

So given Rust's statement on higher education, one can reasonably conclude that this is most certainly a POLITICAL issue in the state of Virginia. Rust also gives us some of the intentions of the "education reformers."

Perhaps the timeline might want to include Rust's June 2011 statement of intention. Legislative activity is POLITICAL.

Seems to me that there has been an agenda in the works for some time now....

Great find, Dr. Kiracofe!

It seems "accountability" is ACTA's buzz word-in-chief, though they redefine the word for their own purposes:

http://www.goacta.org/publications/downloads/Governor'sBrochure.pdf

http://www.goacta.org/publications/downloads/VirginiaReportFinal.pdf

again, has anyone asked Dr. Sullivan if she is interested in re-instatement?

Rick: I was responding to your original statement: "What is the number of people in Virginia that are taking online courses ... probably triple that! UVA has zero, Nada, nothing!" I suspect I've just learned an important fact about commenting on blogs....

And yet the politicians who defund public education and promote online education continue to send their own kids to brick-and-mortar, human-to-human (with technology enrichment) schools.

Hypocrites.

Is there a Dominion Power connection here? I believe Dragas and Kington are both on the board, as is CEO Thomas Farrell, a former Rector. Farrell apparently was in the same high school class as McDonnell.

Here is a link to a new blog that has laid out just who is who in the matter of the forced resignation of President Sullivan. Strongly urge those interested to take a look, some great information...

http://academical-village.tumblr.com/

BleedOrangeandBlue,

Very good point anent the use of language to include terms of art.

Through content analysis of statements of BOV members and legislators we can analyze their "mindset" to include their ideology. Usually in this sort of profiling and analysis the best indicators are off the cuff remarks and statements by the subject of interest.

My line of work has always involved analysis of foreign affairs, foreign policies, foreign leaders, and the like. Haven't worked on US state pols. But as I am semi-retired, keeping an eye on VA state pols could be interesting sport.

Will give that ACTA document a lookover. Many thanks for that heads up.

As I noted on another thread, ACTA was established by Lynne Cheney, VP Cheney's Neoconized wife, in 1995 with her pal Senator Joe Lieberman, then a Dem and today pal of McCain and that fellow from South Carolina.

@LMcc - there are curtain things that should not be learned on line too - for example do you want a nurse who has only drawn blood from a virtual arm to draw blood from your real one?!!

I'm not negating on-line learning at all. What I am stating is not everything should be learned on line.

If that is the case, lets eliminate all our public schools and start teaching them all on-line too! It would save us tax payers millions of dollars - but we would have children who couldn't socialize and wouldn't be exposed to all sorts of people. Let us all end up just communicating via the Internet - until the power goes out - then what do we do? My mother's answer would be, go read a book, but the kids wouldn't know how to OPEN a book - everything they read is on a computer screen.

I know - sarcasm here but truly there still is need for classrooms and live lectures.

Dr. Kiracofe: I just put you through the Google.

Would you happen to know my good friend and next door neighbor, Dr. J. D. Anthony?

You seem to have a number of interests/ties in common?

Others: Sorry to stray a bit off topic.

According to Governor McDonnell's home page there is a $544.8 million surplus in the State of Virginia. Yet, the most prestigious public University in the state is falling apart at the seams? I don't get it...one might surmise that something is terribly off kilter in terms of funding the problem areas at the university. Problem areas so insurmountable that may result in the firing of its' President.

Question: if President Sullivan had $544.8 at her disposal would she be able to rectify UVA problems with online education, professor pay etc, and implement change more quickly?

President Sullivan's second year in office, and is also the second year the State of Virginia has operated with a surplus. Coincidence?

Follow the money...from Paul and Sonia Jones/Tudor Investments to the BOV to the Governor's Economic Task Force that just returned from overseas.

@Sidney - just to back up your comment - UVA has 5 BILLION in their endowment and it earns an interest rate far above the 5-7% we as average citizens may get from investments.

The few on the BOV and few "donors" and the Governor all were "chomping on the bit", so to say, and truly pulling out things that when you dug a bit deeper you found were not true, including faculty pay - you can't compare the pay by the amount alone when comparing UVA to Harvard - Boston is a much more expensive area to live in.

Any state anything - implement change immediately - it will take a year or more...that is fast for them!

enim evey culus est a modo in

disciplinam

enim omnis culus est a modo in

Don't you understand? The ultra-wealthy can afford to send their kids to college irrespective of the cost. So they couldn't care less how much state support is provided to state universities. This university would have more than adequate financial resources if the state would fulfill its responsibility. Then there would be no reason to set up online classes, unless they met an educational objective.

είναι ελληνικά για μένα!

Ιερά χάλια οι δικηγόροι απόσπαση σλιπ .... σας ευχαριστώ όλους για τα σχόλιά σας ... πολύ εκτίμησα! Μετά από όλα, ο κ. Τζέφερσον κατανοήσει το νόμο .... συμφώνησαν: ..;

Rector Dragas stated that UVA was way behind in terms of online education, and stated that Stanford had an online class of 160,000. Well, no longer - see Udacity company. The class, "Artificial Intelligence" was taught by Sebastian Thrun, born and educated in Germany:

1) Free;
2) no Stanford admission criteria;
3) Professor Sebastian Thrun (inventor of robot car and Google Glass) is no longer teaching at Stanford because of the outcry from paying students;
4) "free course touched off an intense debate behind the scenes at Stanford, where annual tuition is $40,050...certificates of completion were issued" NYT - 4/18/2012, and
5) Udacity, a private online school was created by then Professor Thrun.

There seems to be a lot of 'smoke and mirrors' on the part of Dragas' reason for terminating Sullivan, and few real facts. What outcome was Rector Dragas thinking of...? Seems as if Rector Dragas is all about stategy, no plan for a successful conclusion...

okay let it me put it this way but it will be lost in the translation
sanctus crap orator dispositis Brevia .... gratias omnes pro comments ... valde sensere! Post omnes, Mr Jefferson intelligitur legem .... constat: ..?

@Shinealight

Then the voters of Virginia are to blame? I see that only 10% of UVA funding comes from taxpayers. Maybe taxpayers should have at least a 10% say on the BOV? I don't know. I do know that I disagree with the way Sullivan was removed. I do agree with the fact the higher education should be a funding priority.

@Nancy, that's quite correct that the $66 million being pulled in by the University of Florida is gross, not net. But still, if the gross take is even half of that ($33 million!) then it's no wonder that there would be more of a push for online education. They might use the high-minded rhetoric to talk about Stanford, MIT, and the Ivies, but I think it's really about the Benjamins.

GOOG [ε μεταφραστής είναι εδώ είμαστε επικοινωνία δεν είμαστε, αλλά πού είναι η γνώση .... είναι όλα APS

It appears that the open portions of tomorrow's meeting are going to be live-streamed.

Any way that monitors could be set up on/near the lawn?

BleedOandB,

I will give the ACTA document a close read. Forewarned is forearmed. It may well be that this ACTA document is in fact their game plan and the basis of legislation drawn by the Republicans (and some Dems?). If we obtain some legislative language, then we could compare that with the ACTA document.

The stance of Republican alum in the General Assembly is shocking, frankly. They failed to assimilate the core values of Mr.Jeffersons's University it would seem. Why would they make this such an obvious partisan issue? What hidden agenda do they really have?

Whatever happens tomorrow, there is no question that the Education Committees in the General Assembly must be the focus of attention. Also, the fight for democratic governance and the inclusion of Faculty and Staff on the Board should be undertaken immediately as agenda item number one.

Perhaps as it dawns on A&S alumni that Humanities/A&S is slated for euthanasia, they may step forward in more force.

Pat Buchanan had an interesting piece lately on the takeover of the Republican party by the Neocons...will see if I can locate that as background here. It was something about Bill Kristol boasting to that effect.

Could someone tell us whether Hunter Craig got on BOV before or after the collapse of his multimillion dollar "Biscuit Run" real estate project? I heard he was suing the state of Virginia for millions or some such??? What is up here???

[Give JD my best. An Old School gentleman with deep knowledge.]

Specifics about livestreaming? I need to organize my schedule.

Griechisch ist für mich!

@Sidney - I do agree that a citizen of the Commonwealth should be a member of the BOV (recognizing that some members live in Va). And I do consider it absolutely backward thinking to reduce the Commonwealth's contribution to higher education to its current pittance. That is a different issue than here....I view it as a corporate takeover of a public educational institution.

@lost whoo

could you please speak English? I do not know Latin or Arabic?

@HOOK readers

I am a mom from California who's 'child' just graduated UCSB, and may or may not attend UVA graduate program in the fall. We paid cash for UCSB, and we are very grateful for the State of California's taxpayer contributions.

And, @UVA

We will be watching your live feed tomorrow. Your tarnished image may not be something my 'child' wants on an application...may just go to work at Price Waterhouse and get CPA in 2 years.

@ UVA DONORS

Please stop polarizing public education or just call it PRIVATE!

I would like to know what the Kirakofe brothers think, but I reckon tomorrow brings a complete white wash etch-a-sketch. Everyone gets off; everyone saves face; everyone contributes $$ to good ole UVA again....

@ Shinealight

excellent analogy!

Will the meeting run for hours or will someone make a motion for reinstatement and have a vote taken quickly?

if one must start somewhere let it be the law...n'est pas?

For Dan Friedman

The faculty of the university has made their position clear and the public opinion is clearly in favor of President Sullivan.

Ms. Dragas is reputed to be made of stern stuff and may not back down and may have the votes to hold her own against all comers. And that may be why she is Rector.

Even if President Sullivan is reinstated it is not a sure bet that she will accept, would you?

Even if she is reinstated and accepts the game is not over. The various individuals who worked together to unseat her are not all from Virginia and their agenda is national if not global. Reinstating President Sullivan won't slow them down much, maybe a little here at UVA, but not much and not for long. These people, thanks to the current tax code, have limitless wealth to throw into this and they will stop at nothing to reach their goal.

What seems clear is that the University of Virginia, like state universities everywhere is uder attack by a carefully organized and well funded group who serve an elite interested in taking control of the university, fiscally and intellectually, to privatize it and monetize it and make a profit from it while suborning it curriculum to its long term interests, including the elimination of liberal arts and humanities, and instead devoting all itsinstruction toward turning out well trained techno- drones who are not critical thinkers.

and if you think I may have taken it a little to far here, just spend a few minutes looking over what you will find here:

http://academical-village.tumblr.com/

and start connecting the dots...

I hope Pres Sullivan is reinstated!

@Sydney - actually now only 6% of UVA's funding comes from the good ol' Commonwealth.

State Universities and Colleges should be funded more through the states - example Georgia's lottery - any Georgia child who has a B or above can go to any State school at the cost of the lotto funding for the state. So it funds higher education.

As for UVA donors - well that UVA should control more of - truly. A Yoga Building? Really? As I stated before, why not scholarships in your or a loved one's name - they live forever where a building will eventually fall. UVA can say "no" and should. The university/college can say, "We need scholarships for our students, not a Yoga Building." I'm just sayin' here - loosing one or 10 donors because you are not meeting their "agenda" in order to satisfy the thousands who donate - not for an agenda of having their name on a building but to help the school they love - I think that is a no-brainer.

@Sidney: "According to Governor McDonnell's home page there is a $544.8 million surplus in the State of Virginia"

It's total fiction.

@Cville Native: " A Yoga Building?"

It's not a commitment to fund a new (or renovated) building, but instead a leveraged buy-out of the curriculum, mission, and and institutional history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxmJ6p-ATG8

http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=18032

And our 700 CLUB Governor and backers support **this**?!

Barry, this sounds very scary let's meet for vino at Tempo one evening to discuss at length.
Dan

UGA is cutting programs left and right. The state is finding it hard to go forward when 80+% of your freshman don't pay tuition (fewer upperclassmen, because one loses the Hope Scholarship if GPA drops below B).

Quickest answer for UGA? Recruit more out of staters to pay tuition, and it is doing that. Still, there is talk of shutting down Hope Scholarship program. (Actual terms, any GA high school grad with a B average gets free in-state tuition to state schools or something around $7,000 scholarship at instate privates, including Emory. But, students must go through application process to be admitted. There is no guarantee said student will be admitted to school of choice. Original result was great for Georgia. Many of it's best and brightest started staying instate. Academic profiles of UGA students sky-rocketed. Now, however, the program is starting to fall of its own weight.)

@Rodney

What is fictional about VA's budget?

I can hardly wait to take yoga online!

There is nothing new to this online class idea. It is just the new way to deliver quality education to anyone. It all started with matchbooks and art classes.!

Dr; Kiracofe - you were an icon to the guys at 502 14th street in 1967!!

@ An Observer

Up until June 2012, we were one the of the cash-paying, committed, and 'out-of-staters'. Now we are on the fence. Why should we pay nearly $150,000 over 4 years for a college education at UCSB, University of Bocconi, internship at Barclays in Paris, France; only to have these monies evaporate because UVA is showing very poor judgement. My 'child' deserves better.

sit amor

@Sidney

Cueing another poster here in my own apathy meeting your own laziness in research:

democracy June 23rd, 2012 | 8:12am

Rather than paying for its own services, which it can well afford to do, Bell has tried to help Albemarle take money from its neighbor. Bell claimed that the state under Little Bob McDonnell has achieved a budget “surplus” (wink). What he doesn't say is that the so-called "surplus" was attained because of $2.5 billion in federal stimulus funds, acceleration of state sales tax payments, and the raiding of the state pension fund of $680 million (to be paid back at 7.5% after McDonnell leaves office).

--

Like Gilmore's "No Car Tax" slogan (and then halting implementation), you can't invent new rules of simple math.

Sidney -- I appreciate your child's dilemma, but my comments were about University of Georgia (UGA), in response to a prior poster's contention that the state of Georgia knows how to fund higher education.

As a Californian, you must be familiar with the impact of cash-strapped state budgets on public higher ed. There may be good reasons for your child to work a couple years before attending grad school at UVa (or anyplace else), but the current upheaval over the UVa Presidency, really should not be one of them. In the near term, who sits in a university presidents' office has little impact on current academics and student life. In fact, I'd challenge most graduates to name the president of their schools when they were undergrads and to list the number of interactions they had with him (or her). There may be some small school grads who had face-to-face interactions with their presidents or alums of 50+ years who attended, frankly, different schools than exist today, but for most of us the school president did not directly impact us during our academic years.

@Rodney

My apologies for not researching better. I am clearly wrong, and on a learning curve...not an excuse, just a fact. please accept my apology...

@the Hook

What an epidemic failure of Virginia's higher education system!

Is it okay for the Governor of VA to accept too much funding by way of Federal Stimulus monies with a surplus 2 years in a row?...just how is that serving the greater good of the United States Federal Tax payer?

How does Governor McDonnell call himself a Republican, balance his faux budget on the backs of surplus monies, public education, and the UVA? How? You stopped supporting the Commonwealth education for VA in general? Ironic.

Another reason to have a more balanced Board of Visitors at UVA, including a rep from the Commonwealth that is not affiliated with any 'monies'/donations, and has full voting rights...come on! I cannot believe a State such as Virginia could be so blind. Do you see what I see?

Virginia is making California look good...

...seems as if public education in all states are getting short-shrift...I don't like what I see at all but how do we do better?

An epidemic failure to our children who need an excellent education!

@An Observer

I did not notice the UGA. I was on track to follow posts regarding UVA. I am sorry about that...

Yes, as a life-long Californian, I have observed the State funding deteriorate...very few states have a budget surplus. My hat is off to you.

I said too much about my child. This is her decision, not mine. We shall wait until the end of tomorrow.

Dan,

There is something happening here which is becoming more clear. Postings from democracy, george, bleedorangeandblue, and many others on all these threads taken all together point to a settled design. I have been amazed and heartened by the outpouring of concern over the situation and the information which has been brought to the community's attention.

The visible designing men and women we confront in this UVA crisis appear to have others, visible and invisible, in various places around the US behind them. In turn, the others appear to form part of a well financed network seeking to alter the nature of American higher education as part of a culture war which includes K-12.

Until this crisis, I had not followed the state or national situation regarding the politics of higher education.. The HOOK reporting and the comments by readers got me going. The Rally organized by students was a powerful experience. I stood in the front row area and witnessed professor after professor speaking from the heart with emotion to defend the ideals of our University and its Founder. Those attending from the young folks to those of us with some hair now gray were upbeat and determined.

The Rally in front of the Rotunda brought back memories of the turbulent Vietnam days and our protests against that tragic situation. Stan remembers. At that time, the University was in crisis, as was the case across the county. When it was announced at the Rally that the Library and Archivist were trying to collect things related to the present Sullivan situation, it really hit me that we are indeed in a very significant historical moment in the life of Mr. Jefferson's University, our University.

Anonymoose, with good reason, insists that we maintain caution and prudence given the evident hard ball political nature of this crisis. Should President Sullivan be reinstated, we will need a Plan A directed specifically toward the objective of democratic governance of the University and thus reform of the BOV process. Demands must include permanent voting seats for Faculty and Staff.

Should President Sullivan not be reinstated, we will need a Plan B.

In either outcome, in the immediate near term we will need to focus on the Governor's BOV appointments which are forthcoming. Then, we will need to focus on the General Assembly and committees dealing with legislation pertaining to higher education. There is clearly something afoot there by designing men and women. We need to find out what it is and then to deal with it.

Close attention by A&S alumni is warranted as the attack by the designing men and women seems aimed at the Humanities in particular.

@Faculty Senate calls for vigil on Lawn during Board vote
by C-VILLE Writers, June 25th 12:39pm

"UVA Faculty Senate Chair George Cohen has sent a message the University community calling for another show of support outside the Rotunda during tomorrow's planned meeting of the Board of Visitors, where a vote on the status of President Teresa Sullivan is planned—and a reinstatement is expected by many."

Does that message reach the UVA staff personnel in the Medical Center, Athletics Department, UVA Maintenance & Housekeeping staffs? Anyone know? How about the various foundations? UVA Wise? Just wondering......

This is a link to a live streaming of the BoV meeting that begins at 3 p.m. today:

http://www.virginia.edu/bov/live/

The link will go live close to the start of the meeting, although the board could vote to go into closed session at any time, so the show could be short.

Separately, would someone who is able to attend the meeting please explain to Dragas what RICO stands for.

Wahoo-Wa.

Please don't let the live streaming dissuade you from coming out on the lawn and standing vigil. We can huddle around laptops and Ipads and watch it together. Technology is good but it often atomizes us and thus disrupts public protest.

Come out today 2:30 on the lawn. Please come.

Thanks Cliff & Barry

From today's Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star:

House of Delegates Speaker Bill Howell, R-Stafford--who graduated from UVa. Law in 1967--said he, too, thinks Sullivan should be reinstated.

"I don't think it was handled properly," Howell said. "I do think it would calm things down, and she has three years left on her contract, and see how it goes."

Howell said he doesn't think the legislature needs to step in at this point--particularly because today's meeting could go a long way toward resolving things--but he does think university boards, and other state boards, need to clarify that they can't make big decisions like firing a university president without full meetings.

"It seems to me that basically two people convened an executive committee" to make the decision, Howell said. "That's wrong, and that ought to be in their operating procedures and their bylaws. I don't think it takes the General Assembly to tell them they need to do this."

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2012/062012/06262012/710005/index_htm...

The WP handicaps the possible voting breakdown by the BoV, including potential swing votes:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/u-va-leadership-crisis-s...

@ Citizen Party:

I posted the live streaming link for the benefit of alums and friends who are out-of-state or abroad. UVa will almost certainly monitor the web traffic, so our virtual presence counts at least to some degree.

Obviously, I urge anyone who can be there in person to do so.

Wahoo-Wa.

“Everybody thinks university presidents are hierarchical and top-down,” said Donna E. Shalala, president of the University of Miami, and a former president of the University of Wisconsin and secretary of health and human services. “But we are not corporate chieftains, and we cannot rule from the sky. We are more like tugboat captains, trying to get our ships aligned and pulling them in the right direction.”

The great research universities, she said, have achieved their dominant position in the world through shared faculty governance, and leaving faculty both academic and research freedom.

“It was a lot easier to run a cabinet department than the University of Wisconsin,” Ms. Shalala said. “There are a lot of different constituencies at a university, and the president cannot be successful without buy-in from all of them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/education/public-universities-see-fami...

BleedOandB,

Thanks for the Howell data. Howell knows very well that there is an agenda here, hidden and otherwise. Howell knows very well that there are legislative initiatives on higher education in Virginia.

Howell also knows very well the General Assembly has an oversight role.

The legislature most certainly DOES need to step in contrary to Howell. It needs to step in to assure democratic governance of a STATE PUBLIC university. It needs to ensure that the BOV has a Faculty member and a Staff member both with votes, not with some non-voting observer status.

Howell knows very well this is political. The question is does he want to make it partisan as between the Republican and Democratic parties? There is a difference and a distinction.

How about loyal UVA alums of BOTH parties (and Independents etc) being equally involved for the sake of UVA and not a political party???

We have just seen Republican members refuse to sign a letter offered by UVA grads who happen to be Democrats. The obvious question is: So just why are these Republicans more loyal to their party than to UVA??? Just why? Did they look to Howell for guidance on that? Just what is Howell doing behind the scenes with the Governor and so on???

Republican party alum of UVA in the General Assembly need to step forward on this. Bell, quite obviously, was forced to take the position he did and it was finessed by a side letter so as not to bring in other Repubicans....really now. Couldn't Bell have found a few Republiucan colleagues to sign a separate letter? Why didn't he sign the other letter?

Again, I would ask "ALL":

Does anyone know whether real estate developer Hunter Craig got his appointment before or after the collapse of his multimillion dollar "Biscuit Run" project? Is it true that he is suing the state of Virginia for millions, as some allege? I drove by Morrowdale last weekend and the corn looked beautiful..a sad story.

"the $66 million being pulled in by the University of Florida is gross, not net. But still, if the gross take is even half of that ($33 million!) then it's no wonder that there would be more of a push for online education"

Why should we think they're netting even $1? The article you cited made no mention at all of costs, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. The MIT/Harvard effort that Dragas cited was a $60M investment with zero return.

Cliff,

Craig was appointed to the BOV by McDonnell in 2010. The Biscuit Run sale was finalized in the waning days of the Kaine administration. And yes, he is suing the commonwealth, claiming that they owe him even more tax rebates.

Michael, thanks for the data. I understand also that he is not a UVA alum. It was good to see the corn at Morrowdale looking so well, I can recall happier times there.

ACTA came out publicly with Ann Neal's Washington Post piece on 23 July. ACTA was founded by Lynne Cheney and Joe Lieberman etal as part of the culture wars. Ann Neal has been there at her cauldron since the beginning. I suppose Hill and Knowlton might have thought this a smart move to do some damage control inside the Beltway.

"Neal began her career as an attorney at the firm of Rogers & Wells in New York City, where she specialized in First Amendment law. She also served as an associate at Wiley Rein in Washington, D.C. Neal later served as senior vice president of corporate legal affairs for the Recording Industry Association of America where she was involved in the RIAA's campaign to oppose mandatory lyrics labeling.[6][7][8]

In the early 1990s, Neal served as general counsel and congressional liaison for the National Endowment for the Humanities under Lynne V. Cheney, where she addressed a range of issues including academic freedom, intellectual diversity, and historical literacy.[9] Along with Lynne Cheney, U.S. Senator Joe Lieberman, former Colorado governor Richard Lamm, former University of Colorado at Boulder president and U.S. Senator Hank Brown, Nobel Laureate Saul Bellow, and sociologist David Riesman, Neal co-founded the American Council of Trustees and Alumni (then known as the National Alumni Forum) in 1995.[10] Neal served as vice president and general counsel of the organization from 1995–2003 before succeeding Jerry L. Martin as president in 2003.[11]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_D._Neal

This isn't political????

BleedOandB placed the ACTA war plan for Virginia website on thread above.

Will Republicans reassure Virginia and UVA community that the ACTA war plan is not part of their legislative agenda hidden or otherwise?

Bell is in a position to know perhaps he could tell us in plain American English.

See folks on the Lawn later today.

Thought this article was timely and a reflection of what's going on right now in Charlottesville -- no more comments to make on local events, just waiting to see which direction the white smoke blows later today.

Tech-savvy workers sought across Chattanooga, Tennessee, and the South

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/jun/26/chattanooga-tech-savvy-wo...

"It's better to get a C in chemistry than an A in literature," said one of the speakers at a meeting of the Southern Growth Policies Board in Chattanooga.

out mowing the lawn (at my house) this morning the question of university governance came up in my thought as I marched around my yard... it occurred to me that, in light of the apparent to the core humanities curiculum, it might be wise to include on the BOV not only the head of the faculty Senate but also positions for members of the several colleges, perhaps the core College of Arts and Sciences maintaining a permanent seat, while others might rotate... just a thought...

but the thought of having the core of the university shut down or even diminished in order to provide more funding for "business" oriented curriculum is a terrible thought and we ought do what we can to prevent it.

Decades ago my grandfather attended the University of Mississippi. There he met a young man of slight stature who only attended for one year; indeed this student cut his English classes so much he received a “D” grade. (Definitely not Darden material) Later, after writing several books this man would travel to Virginia.

Once he gave a short speech about writing:

“…He must teach himself that the basest of all things is to be afraid; and, teaching himself that, forget it forever, leaving no room in his workshop for anything but the old verities and truths of the heart, the universal truths lacking which any story is ephemeral and doomed—love and honor and pity and pride and compassion and sacrifice….I decline to accept the end of man….I refuse to accept this…I believe that man will not merely endure; he will prevail. He is immortal, not because he alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because he has a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance. The poet’s, the writers, duty is to write about these things. It is his privilege to help man endure by lifting his heart, by reminding him of the courage and honor and hope and pride and compassion and pity and sacrifice which have been the glory of his past. The poet’s voice need not merely be the record of man, it can be one of the props, the pillars to help him endure and prevail.”

Godspeed to the Board of Visitors

She's a star and this wil be a great loss if the BOV fails to reinstate her.
Front page of Washington Post :

"From the start, Sullivan outlined what she called “Sullivan’s laws”: Never surprise an administrator. Never punish the messenger. Don’t hide bad news; meet it head-on. People and time are our greatest resources; don’t waste them. When dealing with a difficult matter, don’t leave anyone out, or else be prepared for fallout. "

http://mobile.washingtonpost.com/rss.jsp?rssid=599&item=http://www.washi...

At the lower levels at UVa, I wonder now how many people have been fired (or resign now or we will fire you) and it was the supervisor or decider that should have been fired.

thank you michael for the 9:58 post in answer to my brother's question.

so, from what you say i take it that in fact we have a member of the board of visitors who is actually in the process of suing the commonwealth in connection with tax credits related to the biscuit run project, now a state park. i gather that the amount in question is significant, in the millions of dollars. I can only suppose this is perfectly legal, or he wouldn't be on the board or suing the state. but it seems, at least on the surface, that there is something about this relationship that is, well, peculiar.

and isn't he the same one who teamed up wth ms. dragas, on a sunday, to form the "quorum" of the executive committee of the bov that made the decision acting on behalf of and with the authority of the whole board to authorize ms. dragas to request president sullivan's resignation. i think i have that right, but i may no, and please correct me if i am in errort.. but then later, perhaps upon reflection, he said he favors reinstatement. it just all seems so confusing.

i don't know all there is to know about it, that's for sure, but it occurs to me that if, in his place, i brought an action against the state seeking millions of dollars in judgment over tax credits, i might first step off the board until the matter was resolved, or wait until it was resolved before accepting the appointment, if for no other reason than to avoid any questions about conflict that might be prejudicial either to the pending case or my performance on the board. but then i am not an expert in this kind of thing and have not had the benefit of council.

@ Michael, it's only logical because if they weren't making money with online education, they wouldn't be so aggressive about it.

But, that point aside, comparing MIT/Harvard to UF is really an apples to oranges comparison. With MIT/Harvard, the reason that they're spending so much money is that they're starting up something new on their own. UF has been taking the short route and just contracting everything with Embanet Compass-Knowledge. Of course, the fact that you can't seem to find how much UF is paying for that contract does raise the question as to how profitable it can be.

This new just out..from a mere 4 hours ahead! Dragas has resigned and Sullivan, wisely understanding her presidency is damaged, has agreed to move on. New interim president Julian Bond ... [or your fav here]

for Alum

is this true? wishful thinking? or fiction?

not good news if true...

@ dr. james b. kiracofe :

He's funnin' ya,.

thank you, nick,
that would be a sad outcome, but it remains to be seen if
President Sullivan (until august) will accept in any case,
sure hope she does if the outcome permits it, would be berst for the university,'if not the best for her...

BUT ... it's not an entirely unlikely outcome.

I think President Sullivan would be very unwise to accept the Presidency past her 8/15 resignation date.

At least 13 of the BOV either supported or quietly allowed Dragas and Kington's despicable machinations.

It's easy to just point at those two and blame them, but the whole BOV has proven itself useless at best, and wretched at worst.

She's dodged a bullet ... better to get out now and start over at a school that's actually capable of appreciating and making full use of her gifts. She'll have no problem finding schools to choose from - particularly since she can now informally advise a very attractive "raid" on UVa's dejected faculty.

for nick,
I have to say I think you are right, to the great detriment of our university and commonwealth.

But she may also see a challenge and an opportunity to make the most of the public humiliation of the board thanks to the behavior of the gang of three, and turn it to the good advantage of the institution... just maybe...

I am getting into the car to head to town now...

thank you for your kind note...

This afternoon's meeting has become a meeting to demonstrate the modern elitist concept, supported by Governor McDonnell, that "following the spirit of the rules is for for fools", i.e. it is about "power" to lead the majority/lesser masses who need the guidance of society's winners in a society celebrating economic power as its ultimate achievement and license to lead. It is an ethos seemingly contravening the theoretical philosophy of UVa' s honor code. Note the governor's emphasis not on correcting a process that clearly violated the spirit of the BOV rules and possibly legality. Instead his chief concern is an insistence that the issue simply go away as quickly as possible to avoid possible political penalty to the perpertrators or himself. If he reappoints Ms. Dragas, you'll know he is in concurrence with her winning in any way necessary philosophy, as he simulatenously demands that all the non BOV constuencies, even his fellow state legislators, be quiet and obey the Marquis of Queensbury rules he does not interpret as being applicable to him andDragas' board allies.
As an aside, we all should be proud of the public stance the Darden School's dean just took in publicly calling out the recent Wall Street Journal editorial's total misrepresentation (lying about, in common English) of his stance in the Teresa Sullivan matter. And while it may not be popular for me to say this (I try to see both sides in this as an A&S Ph.D. and a Darden alumnus) my experience at Darden was one totally devoid of any teachings or implications in materials used or from professors that anyone should practice anything less than straightforward hones ty in one's career dealings. Succinctly put, their philosophy was "never do anything you would not be proud to discuss on the six o'clock news." Those that subsequently practiced questionable ethics in their business careers did so as the result of character traits they brought with them to Darden, contrary to the School's teachings that good ethics makes for good business in the long run. MBA programs teach that intellect, unrelenting pursuit of identified and researched goals, as well as effective use of learned successful business concepts lead to success. Combined with ultra-competetive and/or sociopathic personalities the result can be persons for whom only their own leadership and ideas can be pursued and any continuing opposition must somehow be eliminated. There were others involved in this "conspiracy" who did not have MBA's but who also felt the acceptance of their ideas was more important than any set of rules as to how they were to arrive there. One doesn't have to question their dedication to the success of UVA. But that still did not give them the "right" to evade concepts of propriety and even possible legality in order to achieve their goals. One can only hope that they will not attempt to hide behind a cowardly secret vote on this matter. After all, personal accountability is a large part of Ms. Dragas proposed "reforms" for UVA. One would presume the BOV would hold themselves to no less of a standard.

@Nick Payne

You are absolutely right! California would welcome Dr. Sullivan, and we would definitely love to recruit the 'dejected' faculty from UVA.

In California, we have what's called the board of TRUSTees.

Sullivan is back (unanimous BOV vote), but Dragas still must go!

@WTF: do you have reliable information that TS has agreed to return?

All I've learned is that the BOV voted unanimously to "reinstate" her - not that she'd accepted.

The fact that she arrived with Dragas is, frankly, disturbing to me.

Yes, just watched the live stream of the meeting. Sullivan accepted, she is probably speaking on the Rotunda steps with Deans and VPs behind her....

12,000+ people just watched it live. The decision was unanimous and Sullivan accepted. That's great news, but there is still news to be made about what happened behind the scenes in the first place. I trust the Hook to continue digging.

Yeah. I have very mixed feelings about this. But if it's what Sullivan wants to do with her life, I'm for it.

Here's the Post's person inside tweeting: http://liveblog.washingtonpost.com/2012/06/26/u-va-board-of-visitors-mee...

@ NickPayne (any relation to Thomas?)

'Mixed feelings" - absolutely; however, given the circumstances, this was an optimal outcome.

The art of compromise is not dead in this country after all...universities across our nation and political parties can learn from this UVA experience.

Thank you for renewing the spirit of this great institution!

i was able to watch the president deliver her thoughtful and evidently heart felt remarks with surpassing grace and dignity remarks, introduced by mr heywood fralin, the distinguished member of the board and former rector. what a gerat relief that this part of the ordeal is finally over. I was able to personally thank President Sullivan for staying with us even after what she has had to endure and to speak briefly with mr fralin to thank him for his important role in this happy outcome. I said to him in parting " and the fellows in New York thought they could role us..." He smiled with a twinkle in his eye.

But I am afraid we have won only one battle, a crucially important one, in what promises to be a long war. Now we need to keep the spotlight on the governor to see who he nominates to the board to replace those departing at the end of the month. And we need to immediately learn all we can about the new members to be able to anticipate their intentions and be watchful. then we need to keep the spotlight on the board in general and be very careful to monitor their every decision.

beyond that, we need to do all we can to ensure legislative review of this whole dreadful episode with the goal of enacting reforms that will prevent anything like this from ever happening again. What the board did today was to correct a terrible, grievous mistake that should never have happened. The mistake was the direct result of an abuse of power by a dangerously out of control rector. The legislature should enact reform of the selection and confirmation process, provide clearly defined mechanisms for the removal from office of abusive members, should there ever again be any in the future, and should provide for permanent positions on the Board of Visitors for members of the faculty and staff of the university, perhaps including the president of the facuilty senate, the dean of the College of Arts and Sciences, and rotating deans of other schools. I would include the dean of the college of arts and sciences as a permanent member because this is the heart of the university.

But we should not feel that todays events have brought the underlying problem to an end, rather we should see today's victory as the beginning of a new era in which we are all more watchful and focused on the actions of the board.

eternal vigilance is the price of freedom...

sic semper tyranus

dr. -- Does your vigilance extend to watching whether the UVa community works to address the very real problems facing the University, as well? I hope so.

Will anything change at UVa? The university will still continue to build grandiose buildings at ridiculous prices, but build them cheaply and poorly controlled. They may use twice as much energy as they should, but they look Jeffersonian. And they will fall apart in record time requiring maintenance which will not get done.

The coal fired steam plant will still be located right next to the hospital. Steam heating is a technology that is inefficient by its very nature. This coupled with coal makes it Charlottesville unique contribution to carbon dioxide production. If you think that steam is efficient, stand on top of the steam tunnel vents and feel the heat flow all year long. The steam plant will continue to produce heat in the summer, and the air conditioners cool all winter.

Core aspects of engineering courses will continue to be trimmed to save money.
Big bucks will be spent on football and basketball.

Employee pay will continue to be poor; resulting in hiring of people without the right education and no motivation to do a good job. And no tools with which to do the job.

President Sullivan and the Board of Visitors, change needs to come and it does need to come now.