Huguely convicted: Jury gives him 26 years in killing

Judge Edward Hogshire is pushing forward with a night-time sentencing phase, after jurors in the 2010 killing of 22-year-old Yeardley Love returned a conviction for 2nd degree murder Tuesday night.

The verdict came around 6:46pm February 22, after a trial that lasted more than two weeks. The jury additionally convicted the former lacrosse player Huguely of grand larceny.

Hook legal analyst David Heilberg pronounced himself unsurprised by the verdict which he said seemed to match the evidence.

"That's pretty consistent with what I expected," says Heilberg. "You have to look at circumstantial evidence. Breaking down the door and leaving her helpless until she died wouldn't be a manslaughter."

So why not first degree? "It just doesn't appear that they proved a specific intent to kill her," answers Heilberg. "It's just a harder burden."

As for the burglarly acquittal, Heilberg notes that the frustrated Huguely– who had been vexed in some romantic attempts during the preceding day– probably didn't arrive at Love's apartment with computer-stealing on his mind.

Heilberg adds that an intent to kill does not need to be present in order to gain a second-degree murder conviction. Instead, the intent the prosecution had to show was simply a the presence of "malice," which can be shown as a desire to maim, disable, disfigure, or kill.

They got that.

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The maximum sentence for grand larceny is 20 years and for second degree murder 40 years.

First to testify in the trial's sentencing phase, which began shortly after 7pm was the mother of the victim. She broke down on the witness stand as she recalled the wedding and future conversations that were never to be. "I'm afraid," she cried, "that I'm forgetting little things about her."

"It physically hurts," sister Lexie testifies next. "I've never wanted to see anything as badly as to see her face again."

After the two family members of the victim spoke, the defense stuns the courtroom by revealing that it plans to call no witnesses. That's a huge surprise since both the mother and father of the defendant, on the expectation that they would be character witnesses, have been barred from the courtroom all week– unable to support their son with their presence. The father wasn't even present for the verdict.

Analyst Heilberg says omitting such good-boy witnesses actually makes plenty of sense as the jury already knows plenty about the defendant from his writings, his interrogation, and from his standing as a student-athlete. Hearing about his character could invite damaging rebuttal details from those who've been on the receiving end of Huguely's prior acts of violence, which include an alleged attack on a sleeping teammate and an infamous 2008 arrest in Lexington.

Courtroom observers couldn't help but notice at least four Huguely family members wearing ashen crosses on their foreheads in the traditional Christian gesture to mark Ash Wednesday, the first day of that pre-Easter period of denial called Lent, which coincidentally fell on the night their loved one was convicted of breaking the Sixth Commandment.

Next up was the prosecution which mentioned the priors of Huguely which included the 2008 double conviction for drunkenness and resisting arrest in Lexington. But it was May 3, 2010 that prosecutor Dave Chapman kept hammering.

"You can see from the evidence the horror," declared Chapman. "And you know that she lay there as long as two hours. Somebody's little girl didn't wake up."

By contrast, said Chapman, turning to the convict, "There's plenty that Mr. Huguely can do in the future. In the penitentiary, he can help people who haven't had the education that he's had. And he can help himself."

Echoing the theme that the jury knows best, defense counselor Rhonda Quagliana, emerging Wednesday fully recovered from a debilitating bout of a flu-like illness that delayed trial last week, delivered a plea for leniency.

"Nothing can eliminate the sorrow that's felt in this room," said Quagliana, pointing to a series of what she called "what-ifs": Huguely's drunkenness that began that day on a golf course, Love's friends coming home late, Huguely's downstairs friend who locked him out to write a paper.

"No person is the sum of the worst decisions he's ever made or the worst judgment he's ever exhibited," said Quagliana, then launching her alcohol defense without admitting to it.

"George's drinking was out of control," she said. "It's not an excuse; it's not a justification; it's just a fact."

For a man whose emotions thus far in this trial have been limited to rubbing his eyes while watching a recording of his infamous police interrogation tape, Huguely delivered some passion Wednesday night. He performed the Catholic sign of the cross shortly before the verdict was read. And although he betrayed little when the convictions were read, throughout the arguments in the sentencing phase, he stared at his hands.

"George is a 22-year-old guy immersed in a culture of sports, sex, and alcohol," said Quagliana. "Many of us look at the person we were at 22 with disbelief– How could I ever be that self-centered; how could I be that irresponsible?"

With that, the floodgates began opening, as Huguely began visibly crying. Quagliana subtly pushed the jury to picture themselves behind bars by discussing the passage of time– "day by day, week by week, year by year"– as her client buckled lower.

"You should vote with your conscience," Quagliana implored, reminding the jurors of Huguely's words in the interrogation: "She's not dead. She's not dead. Please tell me she's not dead."

At 7:52pm, Quagliana and co-counsel Fran Lawrence each offered a few consoling strokes on either arm of the formerly 209-pound lacrosse player, now reduced to a sobbing young man who is looking at the potential of decades behind bars.

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Around 9:15pm, about the time that a steady downpour of rain began falling, the jury took delivery of some pizzas, an indication to many in the courtroom that this night is far from over.

At 9:59, the jury came back in to render its verdict: 25 years for the murder and one year for the grand larceny. While defense attorney Lawrence immediately asked for the verdict to be set aside as contrary to facts and law, analyst Heilberg had earlier noted that a verdict that acquitted on some charges and convicted on others stands a small chance of reversal by this court.

The parties will meet again in April to set a formal sentencing date. As the jurors left the building, each silently rebuffed the interview requests voiced by a horde of media standing under the brick portico to get out of the rain.

–This story went online the night of the verdict.

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--original headline: Huguely convicted: Judge rushes sentencing after 2nd degree murder verdict

–story last updated Thursday at 7:36am with additional photos

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I am a little surprised he is starting the sentencing phase now. Not looking good for the convicted murderer.

2nd degree murder. Good job jury! should carry @ 20 years, minus time served and good behavior. George will be about 40 give or take, the next time he breathes free air. Enjoy the penitentiary !

Hope he's a heck of an accountant.

Surprised he wasn't found guilty of b&e with intent of assault & battery. Guess he kicked in the door to talk?

I hoped for this. Hogshire wants the news media out of his court ASAP - why they are doing the sentencing phase now. Get it done and over. The cost to the city (and county - there are county deputies there) has been probably equal to his legal bills.

Well, if the jury couldn't find him guilty of b&e with intent of a&b...light sentence on the horizon.

20 years?!?! Just for the larceny, maybe.

They wouldn't impose this conviction and then go light on the sentence. He won't be free before he's over 50.

The maximum sentence would be 60 years. Half of that is 30.

He murdered a young woman weeks away from college graduation who was the apple of many people's eye. Justice demands a harsh sentence.

Not necessarily, @too much.

I think it's kind of brilliant, really - without intent to harm, it's going to be harder to appeal the conviction.

http://www.readthehook.com/102867/charges-what-huguelys-jury-must-decide

Second-degree murder. Not premeditated, but with malice and lack of concern for human life. Five years minimum, 40 years max

Grand larceny. Goods stolen are worth more than $200, hence the conflicting witnesses on the value of Yeardley Love's laptop. Up to 20 years. If the stolen item is under $200, that's misdemeanor petty larceny with up to one year in jail and/or $2,500 fine.

That's up to 60 years (5 minimum).

If they had convicted him of burglary, they would have had to prove *intent* to either commit a felony or larceny.

This conviction says that he may not have gone with the intention to harm or steal, but he ultimately did both, and the jury did not believe that he lacked malice when he assaulted - and ultimately killed - Yeardley Love.

@too much - I've read speculation that he wasn't found guilty of B&E because the apartment door was unlocked, so he could just walk in. Who knows. I think the grand larceny was questionable. My 4 year old Dell isn't worth $200.

It will be interesting to see what the jury comes back with.

These folks on HLN are going INSANE over him not getting Murder 1.

Or rather, without premeditation. He obviously would have intended to harm her if they found that there was malice in his actions.

@kate burg - I agree with the people on HLN that if he didn't have the "pedigree" he had, that he probably would have had a harder time avoiding murder one, but even though I wasn't in the court room and didn't hear all of the evidence, from the reporting I heard, it seemed reasonable that he didn't go with the intent to kill. That right there would get him off of murder one.

He may have gone fully expecting to beat her up (and maybe even to take the laptop), but I didn't get the sense that he planned to kill her.

I think in this case justice was served.

@kate burg & jessica, thank you. I was thinking the kicking in of her bedroom door met the definition of statutory burglary - with intent of assault & battery or larcency.

@Jessica - I completely agree. Murder 2 seems perfectly reasonable to me. Based on the evidence we'd seen (obviously not everything), I was between Murder 2 and Voluntary Manslaughter. It's hard to decide on "malice" without knowing the full extent of the injuries. I'm happy with their verdict. And I agree that his "pedigree" had an impact, although I don't just think it was because he was wealthy - I think the athletics, being a student, etc. all had an impact.

HLN is really pro-prosecution, so I wasn't too surprised, but still. It's not like he got manslaughter, which I could understand as an outrage. He may be locked up for 60 years....that's significant.

Thank God. Now let's hope for the maximum sentence. Her life was taken. Let justice be done.

wash up by 8 at the half.

I think he'll get 12 to 15 yrs...which would be enough time to straighten him out and still leave him enough time to rebuild his life. But, if I were Mr. Love, I would not be happy with this verdict.

@Chopped liver - Mr. Love is no longer alive, he died when Yeardley was in high school. 12 to 15 years - he is facing a maximum of 60 total. I hope more than 12-15 - at least 40 and in VA he has to serve 85% - there is no parole here.

So when will the rich white boys start rioting and burning down the A&F stores? Too soon, I know.

Hawes: Great job by your staff, I think "rush" is not correct understanding what took place with the delay, but I see your point.

Now, there is a very fine Attorney who posted a few times. He may not jump in, or we may have an answer by that time.

Our understanding is that the jury has no say in consecutive vs concurrent.

There is also his opinion which carries a lot of weight. Only he knows what the jury asked for during the verdict, ok, the Attorneys do.

I am sticking with 30.

"Michael Sutton January 26th, 2012 | 11:22pm

Here is twist, the defendant knew exactly what she was taking. They cannot use the da, I didn't know that blows could hurt her.

He is very well versed on that drug and many more.

Makes him more a murder than someone with a second degree charge.
One thing about Virginia, they are not Florida and these prosecutors are not going to take public outcry for granted.

I have not seen the jury, I will and will know better.
But, I think he will be put away for a much longer time than what some predict.

Give him the best defense, a impartial jury and a good judge. So when they read the verdict, his appeal will not not be credible.

The Hook staff will report like they did recently, it was fantastic reporting.

Without seeing the jury. A college athlete is almost like saying his hands are lethal weapons. I say with the other charges as it stands now. Consecutive terms 30 years!"

@ C'ville Native-Let me refrase that, I it was my daughter I would not be happy with this verdict.

No parent would be Chopped Liver. A parent if they could have and gotten away with it would cross the line and there would have been no trial.

Michael Sutton - consecutive vs concurrent - the Judge decides this - not the jury.

@Huzzah - they already did that up at Penn - over Joe Pa, remember?

I was correct on the second degree, lets see, how about 15yrs on the murder. 5yrs on the rest= 20yrs total, maybe, 2yrs time served= out in 18, sounds kind of stiff for a rich white kid, 10 yrs total, thats about right. 10 yrs it is. out in 8

Let me ask, what if Yeardley Love had survived the attack and lived in a so called vegetative state or parapalegic with brain inury? Would he have been charged with a crime that landed him significant jail time.

chopped liver - why would you not be pleased with this verdict?

Hey, commenters, I have a few minutes of downtime if the above story needs expansion or clarification, so shoot me any questions you have now!--hawes

Hawes - you did a great job reporting. This is the only place I read about his sign of the cross and tears.

what was the reaction of the Huguely family members when the verdict was delivered?
did anyone witness the Mom & Dad (though I know they were not in the courtroom)?

@Jans Soering is innocent (he is guilty BTW) - chopped liver stated that if he was her father, he wouldn't be - NO parent would. As a parent who had their own child die, if I could have killed what caused it myself, I would have.

And truly - what is proper payment when you kill a life? Really? We have the law and then there is the truth. A life gone is worth more than 40 years, 50 years and in some cases life inprisonment.

For what the jury was instructed, I think the did well by the law. However, if I ran the world - murders would be imprisoned for life or executed. Eye for an eye - and no the world would not be blind - it would be free of murders and violence.

Really unlikely to be consecutive sentences IMO so talking about 60 years as a possibility is going to set you up for disappointment. My gut is 20 plus which is a good result for the prosecution IMO. Prison is going to be very hard on him.

I am somewhat surprised it's taking them so long for the sentencing. I figured it would be rather quick, but it's good they're giving it thoughful consideration.

Hawes - thanks for your stories. I've enjoyed reading them and discussing with the (vast majority of) commenters here.

Quagliana's words were dramatic, but they didn't arouse a sympathy in me that lends itself to leniency. Instead, I identify with Chapman's plea for GHV to make it right, perhaps practicing the redemption his sign of the cross suggests, by working the rest of his life to atone for his actions by helping others while imprisoned.

When GHV got in trouble in Lexington he also showed wanton disregard for a woman, and apparently learned nothing about the stakes of drunkenness even after having to perform hours of community service that could have awakened some remorse or accountability in him, some fear that in other circumstances it could be worse. Leniency doesn't work for this guy.

He's young, sure. But that should not be cause to give a pass or light touch on paying for his crime. We have the rule of law so that there is some semblance of order. Seeing it meted out as recompense for a life brutally cut short is affirmation that the system can work.

@waiting and waiting... There was no obvious emotion from any family members of Love or Huguely. And the father, George Huguely IV, has yet to be seen tonight in the courtroom.--hawes spencer

I am now more determined than ever to tell my kids "no," and to not tolerate physical displays of temper. The killer's parents did him no favors by giving him whatever he wanted.

is the jury foreman a male or female (just wondering!)
Did the jury look tired?

What about the tragedy of Yeardley Love ?

Posted at 07:59 PM ET, 02/22/2012
The tragedy of George Huguely
By Alexandra Petri

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/the-tragedy-of-george-h...

@Hawes

With the judges discretion as you see it, do you see consecutive no mater what the years are for each charge?

I have not know of an appeal on a judges rendering consecutive.
I have seen a judge throw out all sentencing and let the juilty verdict stand, not a chance!

Just asking if you see what we see, a no non-sense judge. Not a hanging judge, just thoughtful.

C native, I have been at this, the post was too the judges ability to let the term fit the crime as the jury does their part.

Open your eyes! These are questions for a real trial lawyer in Virginia who knows this judge and cases and/or Hawes.

Somethings up!

I am not sure that Justice has been done here. I served as a member of the cabinet of a governor of a southern state. My portfolio was broad and I was often called upon to handle issues that didn't fall clearly in one or the other departments or were internecine issues. I was asked one day to go to the state pen and meet with the warden to determine if the old electric chair was in good enough shape to be given to the nascent state museum and to be stored until the museum could use it for an exhibit. It was a very moving experience. To view the old chair, it was necessary to go through the death chamber and to see a place where many were given the ultimate punishment for murder and other capital crimes. I hold personally mixed views on capital punishment. On one hand, an execution is final and can't be corrected on the other, should it be an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? Young Ms. Love is dead; she will never see another spring. GHV will. Since the State of Virginia has no capital punishment, one has to wonder how fair all of this outcome is. A lot to think about.

It was sickening to read Lawyer Heilberg's comments in the Hook article preceding these comments. What a smug gasbag! What was this? A sporting event? Sounded as if he had won a bet on a college football game. I hope all involved in the defense can sleep at night. I suspect Ms. Love's family won't be able to. A sad day for Cville and UVA . The last noise you heard was Mr. Jefferson rolling over in his grave. He was not a big fan of lawyers or the law. I knew I liked something about him.

RIP Ms. Love

wednesday night, not tuesday night.

Justice was served today with the finding by this jury.

I am certain I speak for many others in saying that I will sleep well this evening.

Kill him. And his Daddy too. And cut his Mammy's ass to shreds with a good bullwhip for not pinching his head off when he was born. And then forget about it.

@Recovering - Virginia MOST certainly has capital punishment. In fact, VA comes in second only to Texas in executions. VA executes more people per capita than any other state. Not necessarily something to be proud of, depending on your perspective.

That was never on the table for Huguely though.

@A Recovering Attorney - "Since the State of Virginia has no capital punishment, one has to wonder how fair all of this outcome is. A lot to think about."

Perhaps you mistyped, but I assure you, Virginia does have capital punishment.

I suppose that the fact that it does might make it seem even more unfair to some that George Huguely only was convicted of 2nd degree murder, but the burden to prove premeditation was too much.

I think the fact that he stole the computer is what did him in. Without the theft, the "drunken, stupid, irresponsible kid" defense might have made more sense. The fact that he was conscious enough to steal something that had incriminating e-mails made it seem more likely to me that he was conscious of what he was doing and that he had seriously injured her.

MR Heelbergs most illustrious self aggrandizing was, I guess, to be expected. I feel sorry for any attorneys wife.

Several years ago I served on a jury for a murder trial in VA. Very similar circumstances. The sentencing was the hardest part. Yes, there were guidelines, but all of the discussions about rehabilitation and when the person would eventually get out of prison were really difficult. Then after finally arriving home, the case went into the evening as well, the calls from the media were non stop for several hours. They even called my parents. It was a very surreal experience all around.

26 years!

Via NBC29, jury recommends 25 years in prison for the 2nd degree murder charge and 1 year for the grand larceny charge.

@Professor - that's interesting. You would think the sentencing would be easy. I know being on the jury is very serious though, and I'm glad people give it careful consideration. I haven't been called for jury duty (yet), but my mom was very upset after having to be a juror on a medical malpractice case - it's hard to make decisions about someone's life and livelihood.

Can the judge add or take away years to the jury's recommendation?

Someone had, in another thread, predicted a 25 year sentence. I commented that I thought that seemed like a reasonable sentence and that anything over that should be seen as a victory for the prosecution.

Now the sentence recommendation comes in at 26 years. I think that sounds reasonable and should be seen as a victory for the prosecution.

I hope, however, that the judge decides to impose a harder sentence.

26 years is a very, very lame sentence for this violent murder.

Seems like a very reasonable jury. The judge did an impressive job of moving things along and not letting the trial become a circus. Good job all around. Nicely done, cville!

I still contend that coach Dom Starsia has really gotten a pass on this one, as well as the need for more in-depth scrutiny of the U.Va athletic program and the behavior of its athletes. Starsia has been coaching for 38 years. Does anyone really think that (1) He's not seen problem players before, ad (2) He had no idea that GH was a loose cannon? Doubtful. He took the expedient path of looking the other way and hoping for the best. Had he been the coach he should have been, GH would not have been on the team, nor at U. Va to have been present to murder YL. If society wants to hold Joe Paterno accountable for the behavior of Sandusky, then where is the notion of accountability for Starsia? No matter how many more victories he may lead the men's lacrosse team in what is left of his career, in my book, HE IS A FALURE!!! He failed to man up and get a monster the care he needed. he failed to remove a monster from the team. Ultimately, he failed YL, allowing this monster to be on campus to kill her. I'll bet if GH was somehow involved with one of his three daughters, he'd have been far more invested in getting GH help, or removed. Now YL's family has closure, while Morgan Harrington's has miles to go. The community will exhale and go about it's business, until the next female meets an untimely, tragic and ultimately unnecessary death.

@kate, Without going into too much detail, life imprisonment was on the line for my particular case. There were juror(s) who thought the defendant could be rehabilitated and become a successful member of society. We settled on 60+ years given the fact of the geriatric release. One point I left out, it does not end for the jurors. I still receive a letter from the family of the convicted before each parole hearing asking if there's anything that wasn't right about the trial.

I agree that it is finally time for Dom Starsia to answer questions about his handling of GH. Until now, the University has said that no one can comment until the trial is over.

Well, it's over. Time for Dom to talk to the media.

Of course, he just got a new 5 year contract this week so he won't be leaving UVA anytime soon.

We can make coach Dom Starsia answer for this crime, or we can just hold the murderer accountable, you know, the guy who did it. And his parents, a little bit. Come on, people. Let's blame the perp here.

Exactly, @Sparky. Whether or not George had a crappy coach and upbringing and enablers for "friends," he's still responsible for his own actions.

Sparky,
The only thing for evil to thrive, is for good people to do nothing-Burke. I am not asking Starsia to answer FOR THE CRIME, just HIS PORTION that allowed it to transpire. GH was the perp, but the perp had access to YL due to Starsia's lack of thought and action.

"No person is the sum of the worst decision he ever made," even if he brutally beats and leaves another to die. how was huguely not sentenced more severely? http://littlebiggy.org/4720167

Exact same sentence that Amanda Knox received for a much more brutal murder (30 stab wounds) - 25 years for murder plus 1 year for something else. She was also 24 years old. I think it's reasonable.

Oops - Knox was 22 years old. But still, similar age.

@TheNative - so now people are supposed to have crystal balls? I am sure that the coach was aware that George was a d-bag, but that is a pretty slippery slope you're on.

@littlebiggygirl - I would have liked to see him receive the maximum allowed, but the fact that the jury sort of split the difference probably will make it more difficult to contest.

Thoughtful - that was in Italy. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Oh chill out people. You really think Dom Starsia is to blame? Or that George had access to Yeardley because of Dom Starsia? That doesn't even make sense.

People are responsible for their own actions. George was responsible for his, and he'll spend ~25 years in prison to pay for his crimes. Some people think this is too much, some people think it's too little. At least he didn't get off though (Casey Anthony). He'll have a long time to think about what he did.

And his parents, friends, coaches, and others will have a long time to think about what more they could have possibly done. But ultimately, he made the decision to go to her apartment that night, and he has to pay the consequences.

This is justice. Yeardley's family is accepting it, so everyone else should also.

Andrew Alston got 3 years (including time served, so he really only served 18 months post-conviction) for stabbing a man 20 times. Based on that, I am satisfied with George's sentence.

26 years is a life sentence. There won't be much left of him when he gets out. I had a view of the death chamber when another one of Heilburgs clients was executed. He is well known is the system as a send you down the river lawyer. Good thing GH did not have him as an attorney. The judge split the difference. Harsh to a young man. Once upon a time twenty years was a life sentence and convicts were eligible for parole. That was fair. He will hope someone takes him out and shoots him in about ten years. He will pay for his mistake. Now he needs to be left in peace to do his time.

Waiting and Waiting - I was just saying they got the exact same sentence - nothing more.

I think the point is several, I think 12?, current lacrosse players have had brushes with the law. It has been discussed here many times. That's no way to run a program, is it?

I feel Justice was served and I for one am satisfied. RIP Yeardley.

I am surprised, I was thinking 20 max at the outside and 10 if he was lucky. 26? All things considered, not being Loves dad, I can sleep with that knowing he will be in a living hell compared to the entitled life he was used to. Suicide watch will be the order of the day for him.

I agree with Heilburgs convicted client - 26 years is a long time to be locked away. Huguley has already spent 2 years in jail and will do another 24, or a little less if he does 85%. As Heilburgs convicted client says, just leave him alone to do his time and hopefully become a better person as he reflects on his actions. Judgment has been passed.

George will do well unto others in prison. Jans Soering practices centering which is a catholic meditation practice. George too will re dedicate his life to Jesus Christ, our saviour. In time, The Love Family will find it in their heart to forgive his mortal sin. I think before we lay our heads down to rest tonight that we all ask forgiveness that we used this forum as a spectacle stoning. The Love Family will forever be surrounded by the love and support of their community. There are families of victims of tragedy who have noone to support them and never had the support of a country. In the name of Jesus Christ tonight, I ask that everyone's hate be refocused into prayer and support for these anonymous families.

I agree with Jans Soering is innocent - the world needs more love, not more hate, more prayer, not more slander. I do hope that the Love family can in time heal and forgive - without forgiveness our hate will destroy us. I pray that George can turn to God and turn his life around -I don't believe in eternal damnation. Everyone deserves a second chance. Fortunately God always gives not only a second chance but unlimited chances. Peace.

Thanks Hawes and all of your staff!

Darn good folks posting here, been a pleasure!

Time for rest, but my heart goes out to both families. Maybe the system is not perfect, but try to find a better one anywhere in the world.

Good Night John Boy!

@Jans Soering is innocent - you know his name is Jens, right?

*SIGH*

Just unbelievable - talk about using every excuse in the book. He is young, he was drunk, he is just a dumb jock, he is sorry, he didn't mean it. Listen to yourselves. He brutally bashed that young girl then left her to die a very lonely and painful death. She's never coming home and there is only one reason - George huguely.

He deserved 40 for the murder. Don't care about the other charge.

Knew he wouldnt get max though - why? All you need to do is look at him. Rich, white and privileged.

Excellent job reporting, Hawes and Hook staff. Thank you!

He got off easy. It should have been Murder 1.

Tomorrow will be a big day for comments and then it will wane back to the magazine of 2 years yore. HoooooRah. Personally, I was expecting 12-15 years - basically his 20's and early 30's. Hey kids, the next time someone tells you your a jerk when you drink...you might want to take a listen.

Since a black man was just convicted of the same and given 15 years for stabbing his wife to death, I would think Judge Hogshire will reduce this recommended sentence to 15 years as well. The last thing we need to do is send the message to the community that a black life isn't worth as much as a white life.

Its not rational to hate some one you've never met, I read no hate speech here, only a yearning for justice. I think a lot of people witnessed justice tonight and satisfied to the courts findings. Alas it doesn't happen often.
As for God, well, thats another story, if George finds God in prison more power to him. If he finds some calling in prison to help his fellow man more power to him. I think George is going to have a hard time finding himself in prison given his background, I would suppose he is still in shock given all thats happened since that dreadful night. Thats a lot for a young man to absorb. Now that the reality of a sentence has been imposed he has two choices, one, hope for an appeal for a new trial, appeal the sentence, or two, resign himself to reality, my guess he's already looking forward to the hopes of an appeal. God will have to wait.

I don't know gasbag. If the jury recommends this sentence and the judge reduces it, the easier narrative to make is "judge reduces sentence for white defendant".

I had hoped he would get more time. I am so glad he didn't get less. In the end, it's what the jury decided. As many folks on here have pointed out that it is they who really mattered in the decision making here. I'm just glad they weren't swayed into a crazy manslaughter ruling or a weak, less than ten year, sentence.

He was found guilty of murder, and that much was good.

I think he should have had a stiffer sentence, but let's face it, he'll be in until almost 50 wearing orange coveralls and accepting his fate. He'll have plenty of opportunities in there to redeem himself to the extent possible after such a heinous act. Let's hope he uses those opportunities wisely. Most of all let's hope that he doesn't come out and act out his worst latent tendencies again. Perhaps he will mature.

He's going to do the time that was given him, so now we shouldn't pile on, but hope that Love's family feels some sense of justice and that he himself will reckon with his actions.

Hold the press! I was just about to sign off for the evening and take the advise of Jans and Thoughtful (I kind of feel like I need to bathe after this ordeal) when the GAS BAG made an astute observation with an angle I have not heard yet! Everyone is mumbling that the sentence was not hard enough for this white boy but what if this was a black man on trial for killing a black woman.

85% of the 24 is a tad over 20. He'll be 44 when he gets out, and while I know that's old to many of you he'll have more than that many years free...to make good, or get drunk, womanize or whatever he chooses to do with it. Point is- from that vantage point, IMO, he's done relatively well...considering what he did. Personally, I'd have preferred to see him locked up until age 55, and relieved it wasn't ridiculously low.

Too bad Hawes already signed off for the evening. A good follow up would be what he can expect while in prison - please have some respect and don't anyone answer with the backend fare. Will he be in protective custody? Will he be assigned duties? Most of us know nothing about the reality of prison life.

Did the black guy leave his wife in her own blood face down for 2 hours dying a slow painful death?

20 years for each hour of her suffering - seems right

M2 fair and just. 26 years fair and just.

Fair and Just SoCaL. Fair and just.

@Al - the other murderer (Barry Bowles) stabbed his wife 20+ times I believe, so it was pretty darn brutal.

@Gasbag - that's an interesting point, but meanwhile also has a good one about the narrative if it were reduced. My guess is that the sentence will stand, but I guess we'll find out in April.

@my hook - I imagine that won't be decided until he's formally sentenced in April. I guess he'd stay at ACRJ until then, right? And I think the duties/jobs and protective custody all depends on what type of security prison he's sent to and their policies there. From my understand, it differs greatly from prison to prison.

Are the horrible rain storms symbolic of something?

I guess so, Kate. Murdering a white person always pull more time in this area than mudering a black person.

Good questions. Pretty soon everyone's sick obsession with this trial will move to the Hook's new series "A Day With George At The Red Onion". I'd read it. Hey Bearalumni - are you an alumni of the school I am thinking you are an alumni? Fair and just, huh?

Prediction: Hogshire will reduce the jury's suggested sentence. Prediction: Hogshire's sympathy is more "for" Huguely. If so, what a slap in the face!!!!!!! Hope I am wrong.
Reduction, (time served) points to possible ?corruption.

The difference in the sentences could be that Hugely had way more opporunities in life and had outlets for his frustration. Many killings in poor black communities are because these peoples anger boils over because they have no such resources to seek help. I am not excusing anyone.. if you do the crime do the time... but George had it all and still blew it.

I say give him a cell with a blanket a toilet, two thousand calories of bland food a day and a dress for "playtime" with bubba

26 years seems so little for such a malicious and violent death -- murder -- no matter how drunk or "dumb boy athlete" Huguely was.

In 26 years, Huguely will be 50, middle-aged, and still young enough to live another 3+ decades. What a(nother) crushing thought for Yeardley's family.
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Why were Huguely's parents barred from the courtroom?
(Story says: "...both the mother and father of the defendant...have been barred from the courtroom all week – unable to support their son with their presence.")

In the land of the Hoos- I don't think it was a sick obcession, but rather a learning experience. The Hook coveage was very good and allowed many to read, learn and comment on something that grabbed their interest.............

He will serve a total of 20.1 years - there is NO parole in VA. 26 years if run consecutively - 15% and 2 years served = 20.1 years.

DOC - no protective custoday unless something comes up - he is like the rest of them, no better, no worse. He isn't a gang-banger so that is another reason they keep them away from curtain groups. (Yes, they must separate them or it is all out riot. They also house the sex offenders and child molesters/crimes against children separately too.) The good news is he didn't kill a child, inmates are parents too and they view anyone who harmed a child as the lowest of the low. (Yes, they have their own set of morals in there - and it is the one place that the "black man rules". GH5 is a minority.)

@Jans Soering is innocent (he ain't by the way) - God is in prisons, didn't you know? Do you know how many have "found" Him there? And before parole was abolished was the #1 thing inmates would "site" to their rehab. There is no such thing in prisons. And I find those who always are quoting scripture, profess being "born again" (do you get another belly button there?) are the most hypocritical, ignorant and bible thumping loud mouths who use it just for show. Meahwhile those who truly are true to their religion don't broadcast it and live their lives accordingly. There are the very rare individuals in prison that do improve but most hone their skills or adopt new ones. It is a revolving door - get out and they come back. That is all ACRJ is - a revolving door for a majority - their second home.

Smart prison guards most fear those who are in for life, they have nothing to loose. It isn't the loud mouths but those who have life to serve and are quiet - those are the individuals to watch out for.

Read, Makes Me Want to Hollar by Nathan McCall if you want to see an inmates perspective and he was one of the rare ones who improved themselves. They have to be a rare individual. (Hawes, McCall - Washington Post Reporter and one of the most unbias ones during the "crack epidemic" in DC, great writer too.)

I think it says volumes that his father wasn't there, not for him but on his father/aka sperm donor there.

Several commenters suggested that the Virginia lacrosse coach "got a pass" during the trial of George Huguely. Maybe.

The Washington Post reported a few days ago that "The testimony of nearly a dozen former U-Va. lacrosse players revealed a culture of heavy drinking, even during the season."

In a separate article a day or two earlier The Post noted that "After the May 2010 death of Virginia women’s lacrosse player Yeardley Love, it was revealed that eight Cavaliers men’s lacrosse players – including George Huguely, whose trial on murder charges in connection with Love’s death is set to resume Wednesday with jury deliberation – had been arrested for alcohol-related incidents (two were found not guilty)."

That same article reported this: "Virginia men’s lacrosse coach Dom Starsia agreed to a five-year contract on Jan. 18 that will keep him signed with the university through the 2016 season. Starsia will make $250,000 in annual compensation for the duration of the new deal, which marks a 64.8 percent raise from the guaranteed pay he received from his previous contract."

To be fair, lacrosse (and other) coaches make nowhere near what Division I football and basketball coaches make (in the millions). And the Virginia lacrosse coach "has led the Cavaliers to four national championships and six ACC titles."

However, even at the high school level it's recognized that coaching involves much more than practices and games. The National Federation of State High School Associations code of ethics notes that "The function of a coach is to educate students," and "The coach shall be aware that he or she has a tremendous influence...on the education of the student and shall never place the value of winning above the value of instilling the highest ideals of character," and "the coach shall strive to set an example of the highest ethical and moral conduct, and "The coach shall take an active role in the prevention of drug, alcohol and tobacco abuse."

Perhaps this is food for thought for all who play, coach, and enjoy sports.

Too bad the parents didn't take an active role in the upbringing of their "little by"...........who is off tot he big house for 26 years of bliss........

why were GH parents barred from the courtroom for most of week? i never read about any issues or incidents with either of them during the trial? what happened?

Well, one might say they contributed nothing to their little boys upbringing, did contribute to his downfall, so why should they be there for his fate............

Those of you batting back and forth whether 26 years is enough or not -- no one (or missed it) has discussed WHY we sentence, what the sentence length is for? Is it just that a bigger number sounds like he did worse and makes us feel good, and so we want a BIG number? Or is it because we really believe he needs 40 years in order to have learned his lesson? Frankly, not wanting to diminish the horror of what happened, the 15 year sentence mentioned will be enough to reform this kid a whole lot. So if it's reform we are seeking, that should do it. On the other hand, if we really think he is not redeemable and society will be benefitted by putting him away for life, then the max on everything (but do know -- society pays a lot for every year we keep someone behind bars)

Yeardley's death has increased awareness of domestic violence on campus. UVA --- are you listening? Commonwealth Attorneys - maybe NOW you will take cases of rape and sexual assault so that another death does not result from the continued violence.

I find it interesting that people are glad that he gets a year for stealing her computer......yet no one is ever arrested for stealing a girl's virginity when a rape occurs......just saying.

Huguely's parents weren't barred from the courtroom. Because they had intended to testify on his behalf, they--like all witnesses in trials--weren't allowed to hear any testimony that preceded their own. That's why Quagliana got in trouble for her e-mails to defense expert witnesses in which she disclosed what the prosecution's expert witnesses had said in court. They weren't supposed to know that.
Huguely's mother was in court last night. In the end, neither she nor George's father spoke for him before the jury left to deliberate on the sentence. Why his father wasn't present is an open question, as far as I know.

@just wondering - sentencing is given as 5 - 40 years for 2nd Degree murder and this is up to the jury and then the judge's decission. In April, when they come back the Judge may just agree with his defense, give him 10 to serve and the rest suspended.

If anyone out there thinks that jails or prisons rehabilitate these people - you are out of your minds. They just make better criminals overall. Very few while in use the time to work on their characters.

@Cville Native -- No, don't think or mean to imply that prisons "rehabilitte"

It will instead torture him, give him time to grow up, stay off steriods (this should be a big dont-do-steriod lessons, if speculation is right), and stay mostly sober. Do you not think he will be a safer person in 10 years than he was at 22, pumped up for sports, possibly on steriods, part of the drinking crowd, etc?

In fact, given your logic about making better criminals -- with which I somewhat agree -- the sooner out the better once he has suffered enough to learn and change (not through "working on his character" but by not ever wanting the torture of prison again)

gasbag - while I agree with your premise that racism is alive and well in terms of the sentences juries, your logic cuts both ways in that the jury is not only considering the value of the victim's life -- they are also considering the value of the remaining life of the defendant. And so you could say by your same logic that this jury valued GH's life less than the Bowle's guy.
But it's all a lot more convoluted than that. But there is no doubt skin color has a great bearing on any sentence you receive in any court.

Lenny Bias overdoses on cocaine and dies. Lefty Drisell gets fired and U of MD gets death penalty.

Kids at Duke hire a stripper and kicked off the team, expelled, and coach gets fired.

Kid at UVA murders girlfriend and lacrosse coach gets a raise and 5 year extension to contract announced 2 days ago.

Pam- others in the community, wherever it is, have to get involved. Where were the parents, the "friends", the professors, the coaches, how about the neighbors!- where the heck was anybody when she needed them?

Get involved when you see something like this, or even when you hear a parent yelling and perhapssee someone striking a kiddie, or one adult on another- you will do a lot of good and not feel guilty when something really happens to the true victims.

I bet he leaves prison a better lover than indicated by Miss Love.

I equate the Hugely issue with the Penn State scandal. Except Penn State held the coaches accountable for control of their program after they got caught. Meanwhile, UVa gives their coach a five year extension....

I found this on a blog...very true

'When I learned of the verdict, I didn’t shout or leap in the air … or even celebrate in any way. What is there to celebrate? It was a sad moment. Not even bittersweet. Learning the verdict against Huguely left me with a strange, empty feeling.

Because Love’s death could have been prevented.

Because Huguely’s behavior and his actions could have been stopped.

Because there’s another man out there who abused a woman to the point of death, and his actions and her death won’t receive as much attention.

Who wins? What did anybody win?

Yeardley Love is dead.

George Huguely will go to prison. Legally, he has been branded as a murderer.

Really. Who wins?

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If someone finds anything from this, I hope it is the girl who wants to walk away from her abusive boyfriend. She will.

Or the lacrosse/baseball/football players who know their teammate has a problem, but has to find a way to confront them. They will.

Or the kids in high school who are targeted and picked on by the “cool kids” for being different – because at my high school, George Huguely would have been one of the “cool kids.” They have the power to stand up for themselves and to be compassionate towards others. They will.

I hope Yeardley Love’s family and friends can find some closure in this. And, more importantly, I hope they can find some kind of peace in this judgment.'

Just wondering - you just opened the can of worms on the steroid comment..every UVa lover here will jump on that, it's already happened. However, I do agree with you completely. He (imo) was doing 'roids and Starsia has just gotten a raise and a five year extension....justice hasn't been served completely yet.

powerful post Zombie hands. Powerful post, man. Thank you for putting it into perspective.

To those suggesting that the UVA Lacrosse coach should bear some responsibility for the drinking and other behavior of the lacrosse team, you are forgetting the entire point of college lacrosse.

Lacrosse is a sport for the 1% who either aren't good enough to play football or who don't want to risk a nasty bruise or scrape by playing football.

It's a sport for the Ascot Gavotte crowd. You get to put on a helmet and a uniform but you don't have to worry about all those pesky major injuries or intense August camps and drills and two-a-days and non-stop training and conditioning.

You can be somewhat athletic but still go out drinking and carousing and chasing 'skirt' until all hours and then prance around on the field Saturday afternoon in your shorts and helmet like a star.

Not only would the coach not be able to stop the drinking and the bawdy behavior, but why on earth would he want to. It's the entire point of the sport for the upper crust.

Good and bad. Second degree when it could have only been manslaughter. But less time than such a heinous senseless act merited.
Sorry, Quagliana, George made his bed, now he has to lie in it. He made the choice of going to her apartment, breaking through her bedroom door, and attacking her. Now he has to live with the consequences.
I remember people saying when I was going up, when the "but he was drunk" excuse came up:
"If had sense enough to do it, he had sense enough NOT to do it."
Something strange this morning. I get USA Today nedws updates on e-mail. In my box was "Va Tech's Huguely convicted of second degree murder!" They used another headline in the actual story in the text however. But how on earth as well-publicized as this trial was could anyone make such a mistake? Unconscious act of a Hokie-hater?

The only one(s) suggesting that it is the fault of the parents and UVA in somehow are those not wanting this case to end. It is played out. There is a question in one of the comments, however, that made me ponder a few moments. What if she had survived the attack and lived with serious brain injury? Powerful ponder.

Totally agree @ purple microdot.

And I don't buy the steroid speculation for one second. He was 209 lbs and not super muscular (doesn't really fit the characteristics of steroids). He looked more like a typical college guy to me - who worked out some, but drank and ate a lot too. His subsequent weight loss seems totally reasonably attributed to spending nearly two years in jail. No surprise there.

And you better believe that Fran and Rhonda would have used it in their defense if he had been on steroids.

Another dead woman in Charlotesville. Slap on the wrist sentence. Business as normal. Glad the lacrosse coach got a new contract. No consequences for the lacrossse team or coach. No statement form UVA . Big suprise. Hope x dean is enjoying his big tobacco money. And people talk about the status of women in third world countries? Gotta love Charlottesville. Don't worry there will be a new crop of UVA women to abuse/abduct/murder in a few months. Meanwhile continue to goggle over the defense attorney's looks and ignore the reality of a young woman's brains splattered all over a wall. After all she was only a women. So much for "one of our own".

Zombie hands: I am in full agreement with you. This trial should in no way be regarded as a call to arms for class warfare.

@CAT - UVA did release a statement yesterday. Here's the text:

Prior to the trial of George Huguely, I said the University would withhold any comments until the trial had concluded. The jury now has rendered its verdict and a young man – a former member of our community – has been found guilty for the death of fellow student Yeardley Love.

As Professor Anne Coughlin reminded us on Feb. 2, the conclusion of a trial like this may bring a momentary sense of justice or retribution, but our judicial system can never restore to a family what it has lost. Yeardley's family, teammates, sorority sisters and friends – indeed all of us at the University – continue to feel the loss of this promising young woman. It remains now to each of us to commit to caring for one another and, when we see someone in trouble, to having the courage to intercede and offer assistance.

Our sympathy and compassion go to the Love family, as well as to the Huguely family, as they face the future and their personal grief.

Teresa A. Sullivan, University of Virginia president

@just wondering - exactly - they learn how to get away with the crimes better.

Had GH5 lawyered up in the beginning - he would have been aquitted, if charges were ever brought forward. All the Commonwealth's evidence would have been would be the emails (possibly), the DNA under the nails. Based upon the video from the night before of them together - he could have gaffed that off as their last "romp" and he left her, she was fine. Someone else came in and stole her laptop and beat her to death over it. People have been killed for less.

Next time, he will know to lawyer up. He will know better how to handle it all so he doesn't go to jail, it doesn't mean he will not continue his crimes.

@ Frank - How do you go through life with such ignorance. Guess you have never seen a lacrosse game much less played the sport. I grew up playing both football and lacrosse and went on to play lacrosse on a Division I level. Lacrosse practices and games were always much more physical and demanding than anything I ever did in football. In addition, I grew up in a middle income family and played lacrosse at a public high school. I am so tired of this untrue stereotype of lacrosse players.

A head coach for any Division I team is not a babysitter. These are 18-22 year old adults that should not require 24 hour supervision.

There are no winners in this, but I feel justice was done. Hopefully, the judge does not reduce the sentence at all.

@Cville Native

Hmmm, interesting thought -- did he somehow not leave DNA -- did I hear that somehow? But either way, I will say he would have been the immediate natural suspect, the police would have tracked the laptop (fingerprints on that?), known he had a history of violence with her and his time being unaccounted for elsewhere --

and so, if he had taken that tack, I think he would have been more likely to end up first degree. Because it would mean he clearly knew she was killed. That he did not do this tended to support that he did not intend to kill, frankly, to me.

I wanted to say something sympathetic about George sparing his mom and dad from testifying...but I can't just yet.

I doubt Judge Hogshire would reduce the sentence, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

If she had not been killed in the brutal attack I guess he would be put on trial for attempted murder maybe. It certainly would not have gotten the press attention. I think it would have scared him enough to sober him up though. I really do feel he needed to be scared straight and 26 years in prison was over zelous.

@ Kate Burg: There is one thing missing from Sullivan's statement. "I will not tolerate any acts of violence on my campus, to include stalking, harrassment, sexual assault, and simple assault. This is a Community of Trust where everyone should feel safe 24 hours a day. Students who show the courage to report an incident must be taken seriously. Any member of my staff who ignores this concept will be fired. Any student who ignores this concept will be expelled."

She did not say that. She left it open and generic. She did not take a hard stance.

Where are you going with Shay. Don't be afraid to share.

It's amazing that Huguely would be facing a similar range of sentences, had he been convicted of cultivating marijuana:

Under Virginia law, cultivation of any amount of cannabis is a 5-30 year offense, plus a $10,000 fine.

He will be an old fart when he leaves prison and hopefully will use his mind to help others behind bars. I have no doubt he will. I believe this, not because I think he is a good person, but because in prison it will be the only was he survives the numbing reality. I know hearsay is frowned upon but I "hear" and "say" that the Huguely family are devout catholics and it has factored into a few aspects of what may or may not have been said at the trial.

Bud, I agree the laws of cultivation are insane. Maybe the Hook can visit that topic and the acres of NPS land used for that purpose.

Cripes, Matthew! What did you want her to say? Did you want her to draft a contrived 40 page document to state the obvious?

Susan Russell: That would have been nice but there's just one problem: the crime did not happen on campus.

I notice its the same blogger that writes the long winded diatribes, microdot.

@Non-Wealthy LAX Player: What I'm tired of are wealthy goons like Huguely getting a full scholarship to play a 'sport' that only drains more revenue from a university...leaving the great mass of us to make up the difference by paying outlandish tuition to attend a 'state' university.

And I may be 'ignorant', but my view has always been that college and the professors, administrators and coaches and colleges and universities are there to teach. To teach young men and women to be better more productive members of society.

And if you're a coach of a relatively small group of men and those men have serious drinking and behavior problems, then you are not doing your job. Unless, of course, your job is to cater to the wealthy donors and benefactors who want to have a sport like lacrosse available for their precious heirs.

College athletes are excused for boorish and violent behavior in this country every single day. We all know it. We've all read about it. We all know it exists.

It's just as wrong, of course, when it's committed by a player on the football or basketball team. But at least those teams generate revenue for the schools. But a bunch of pampered, preppy lacrosse players are getting a free ride just so they can booze and carouse their way through college. All sports like lacrosse do is drain money away from schools like UVA so the rest of us can pay more.

If it wasn't for all of the horse-poop it generates, most of these guys would probably be playing polo.

Huguely was not on a full scholarship, and most lacrosse players are not. The lacrosse program has 12.6 scholarships total, I believe. The UVA lacrosse program is also revenue neutral or profitable most years.

"No person is the sum of the worst decisions he's ever made or the worst judgment he's ever exhibited," said Quagliana, then launching her alcohol defense without admitting to it.

"George's drinking was out of control," she said. It's not an excuse; it's not a justification; it's just a fact."

The above is a direct quote from Ms. RQ. Seems to me that the excessive drinking is a fact. Either you drink excessively or you don't.

Is it, as others have commented, part of the lacrosse or UVA cultures? Is the lacrosse coach at fault for allowing the players to drink excessively? Was it wrong to renew the coach's contract right in the middle of the trial and release the information to the press on the day that the trial ended? Where is the administration of UVA in this entire matter? Just what is the "legal" relationship of the University to its students? What is the "moral and ethical" relationship of the University to its students? What will the University do to prevent something such as this death from happening again? Was GHV an addict and addicted to alcohol? Who enabled him to continue to drink? Did GHV go to class ? How could he possibly be drunk for four days in a row and not have someone know about it and try to get him help?

Lots of questions, no too many answers.

RIP Ms. Love

Frank: What's wrong with Polo? That's a sport that's harder to master than lacrosse...

@ Recovering - it must have been a while since you were in college. Students drinking and going out 4+ days a week is not abnormal, from my experience. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it's reality. My friends and I went out 4-5 nights a week, especially out 4th year. It was not out of the ordinary at all. And it's not specific to UVA.

@kate burg: I agree. When I was a student in Boston, there were myriad music scenes, bar scenes, you name it. Students from Harvard to Northeastern still can be seen out nightly partying and going to class in a haze. It was fun.

I don't think excessive drinking is limited to the lacrosse team at the University.

On the other hand, I think the team's coach does deserve some criticism because by all accounts George's problems were well-known, including the Lexington incident with the female cop, yet no disciplinary action was ever taken against him.

And I thought the media's coverage of the team's championship last spring was pretty disgusting in that almost all the stories made the coach out to somehow be a victim because of George's actions

Has George had any exposure to the media reporting this case since it happened?

@AngryOldMan: Supposedly, Starsia didn't know about the Lexington incident. It was policy that people report anything like this that happens, but Huguely didn't do that, and I'm sure he wasn't the only one.

I know that right after Yeardley's death, John Casteen was trying to work with Gov. McDonnell on getting some sort of system in place to report things like this to colleges. I'm not sure if anything happened on that.

Maybe this George V can learn from the legacy of the late George V of England and take up stamp collecting. Or maybe someone can smuggle him a rock hammer...

Has anyone considered what it will cost to keep this young man in jail. I would have preferred 10 years in jail with a 50 year probation, that included regular drug and alcohol testing and if violated back in the slammer.
And a life sentence for his father.

@Duke: Correct, it did not happen on campus. But .... they were students and the UVA culture is what brought this to happen. The only person responsible is Huguely. However, as long as we are demanding bystander intervention, we must demand that the school address all incidents of violence, and follow proper protocol each and every time, whether or not they occur on campus.

I do find it difficult to believe that the coach emerges unscathed from all of this. He knew what George was like, and as a mentor, he should have taken some actions. Coaches have a unique rapport with team members - and they cannot shrug off that responsibility.

However, I'll tell you from my experience with UVA, no one in the Administration wants to know when a student exhibits deviant behavior. Unfortunately, if they want the parents' money and the kids to become lifelong donors, they need to accept that they also have a responsibility for the welfare and discipline of the students while they are attending the school. And that may mean bringing a kid in, collaborating with the parents when there is a known proble, (even though they think these kids are adults), and establishing new protocols for dealing with violence.

Re: Sympathy for George - Make no mistake, I am squarely in "Camp Love" if there is such a thing and have grieved for her just like she was someone I knew. Crazy, I know, but there it is.

At the same time, by him not having his mother or anyone speak on his behalf, the humanity in me sees a young man sorry for his actions and willing to take his medicine, if you will.

Of course, I am an optimist and have been wrong many times before. Still, I wonder if they will even appeal.

26 years....that's all her life was worth??

They all turn to religion when it suits them.

@ Shay - I hope you're right. Lawrence said yesterday that they would appeal, but I guess we'll see what happens with it. They have to be glad he didn't get Murder 1...the Commonwealth was really pushing for that.

@ zombie - Wow, that's really sad all around.

@Non-wealthy lax player: Even professional teams often hook up a rookie with a veteran to keep him in line and teach him good ways. Face it, I GH was a prime member of the team and his condition started to affect play, then the "babysitting" would have begun. Div I coaches in any top program (regardless of sport) will babysit when it suits them. Also, you forgot to mention the extemely close-knit environment in LAX that is unique; Starsia knew damn well. He is not "to blame for her death," but also needs to look in the mirror.

Now, let's look at the rosters of DI lacrosse teams and eye the schools from which these kids come; not many public schools from Hampton there. You are an anomaly; Huguely is not.

@Recovering Attorney: I think UVa has a huge moral and ethical responsibility to its students. One can't have it both ways: espouse some special honor code, trumpet some false superiority of "The University," then turn blind eyes to all the junk that goes on around the school

R.I.P.: Forrest Tucker

Here are some data points that lead me to speculate that the "powers that be" in Charlottesville are engaged in a cover-up to prevent the UVA Lacrosse program from turning the town into another Happy Valley. The elephant in the living room is the ubiquity of cocaine in the certain mid-Atlantic social circles.

I. Immediately after the murder, rumors were swirling throughout the mid-atlantic prepster lacrosse community that Huguley had been doing cocaine on May 2. Everyone with connections to this scene heard these rumors with varying degrees of specificity.

II. To the best of my knowledge, the police did not introduce any drug test report on Huguley into evidence. Whether such testing occurred is unknown, but cocaine stays in your system for as long as 3 days. If there was a drug which is part of the public record test then I stand corrected on this point, and will retract this entire post. If not then there are some questions to be answered, including whether he refused such a test on constitutional grounds.

III. This is what really got me thinking. The press was barred from seeing the video of Huguley's interview- they only got the audio. Hawes Spencer's podcast recap of the interview describes Huguley as jumpy, repetitive and constantly interrupting the detective- a conversational pattern consistent with cocaine use. Why wasn't the court allowed to see the video? My general impression is that his demeanor the next day was more consistent with cocaine use- a lot of guys would still need to dry out at 7AM the next day after drinking for 15 hours the previous day.

IV. Lacrosse teammates testified under oath about Huguley's alcohol consumption, while no questions were asked about other substances. It doesn't seem like there has been any narcotics curiosity from either the Charlottesville authorities, or from UVA. The emphasis on just alcohol is suspiciously analogous to Huguley's "I just wanted to talk to her" refrain.

V. Prosecution and defense are barred from speaking about the case to reporters.

VI. Starsia is allowed as coach to drug-test his players at any time, as he did in 2008 when one of his players tested positive for cocaine. If this had been one of the Ivy League lacrosse programs, the entire team would have been hauled in for drug testing the afternoon of Monday, May 3. A girl gets killed after a semi- official team outing on Sunday? The Yale and Princeton boys would have absolutely been pissing in cups Monday- no questions asked.

Charlottesville is somewhat of a old boy's network. The issue of cocaine probably wouldn't have changed the verdict, so why drag UVA through the mud and antagonize the lacrosse alumni network, many of whom are significant donors and recruit students for high-status jobs on Wall Street?

Again, if there is a drug testing report on Huguley as part of the public record, then I stand corrected. At this point, these are more unanswered questions. The video portion of the interview as public evidence would have cleared up some of this speculation. When you conceal things, people are going to start asking questions.

Shay: I somewhat agree with you. Either way, whether George goes to jail or does not go to jail, he will still have to live with this the rest of his life and be labeled as the "murderer of Yeardley Love." I feel sorry for both families, but I'm a bit nauseated by some people's reactions in which they exhibit so much emotion as if they actually knew these people personally (this is not directed at those who actually do).

I'm also sick of people with their half-cocked theories where they say "oh, he'll do it again," 'kill him and the father," or some other scapegoat seeking remark that wreaks of asinine intention.

If I were either the Love or Huguely family, my wish would be to be respectfully left alone.

@ Frank

Wow. Where to begin, First of all, Very, very, very few lacrosse players receive full scholarships. Huguely ceertainly would not have. It's not a sport that gets 85 scholarships like football. Most players receive some money. But it's certainly not covering everything. Considering Huguely was out of state, I would venture that Mom and Dad were paying more than twice what in-state tution currently is.

Lacrosse at UVa doesn't drain a penny from the University. It's supported by an athletic budget, supplemented by donors and brings in PLENTY of revenue through merchandising and marketing dollars. We're not talking womens softball or even Mens Tennis (both reveneue drags.)

You mention the boorish behavior or college athletes. You only "read about it every day" because those are people under a microscope. Their behavior is no different than that of other 18-22 year olds. Go out on the Corner or Rugby Rd any Friday or Saturday night. You'll see plenty of "boorish" behavior and I guarantee the majority will not be student athletes. Hell they don;t even ahve to be student. Society today is full of "boorish" behavior.

College coaches are basically CEO's. They run a brand. They see their players at practice and in film study...maybe a couple hours a day. Unless a teammate or local official makes them aware of what's going on, it's almost impossible to know about it. That's just the way it is. This isn;t high school where they teach a kid during the day, see him directly after school at practice and interact in the offseason on a daily basis. This is a job where there are outside responsibilities that could lead to them not having any interaction for weeks or months.

Huguely had issues. But most of those issues were brushed off by those closest to him or taken care of by those people. 20 year olds are not keen on eating their own. It's part of the maturation process, This tragedy will and already has done a lot to grow the young men of the UVa Lax team. They didn't rally around him. They stepped up and did the right thing because he killed their friend. Yes, they came to her aid too late. But I doubt they ever envisioned it becoming this bad and they'll have to live with that "what if" burden forever.

If you want to case blame, throw it at the defendant and the person he clearly learned a lot of his behavior from.

@ Jason - I have also wondered if cocaine could have been involved, as I do know it is prevalent in certain "elite" circles at colleges.

Regarding alcohol or drug testing, there was no testing that was admitted into evidence for George. It certainly seems like the police did not give him a breathalyzer or any sort of blood test, because otherwise, I am sure one side or the other would have used it to help their case.

I don't think anyone (outside of the athletes and athletic department) knows when and how often any athletes are drug-tested. Perhaps the lacrosse athletes were tested soon before, or after, Yeardley's death. I don't think we would really know about that.

I find it hard to believe (but not impossible of course) that the police would cover up something if they had found evidence of drugs. They seemed to search GH's apartment (and one of his friends' apartment I think) pretty thoroughly. I would be surprised if police were colluding with UVA to cover up something like that, but I guess you never know.

Amen brother Joe

Case tried. Verdict read. The only thing Hogwash can do now is lower the sentence. My question is which Huguely relative brought a 10 year old girl to a sentencing? Her crying in front of cameras saying "its too much" took me from feeling sorry for the Huguely family to laughing at the outlandish decison.

Kate burg - enough. Do you sit here all day posting? You keep bringing up long dead issues and reposting answers as if you thought of them yourself. We all lived. We all know what college is like, we all know what privledge is like and we all feel bad a girl died. You apparantly don't want anyone to feel they have found spirtuality. Dude, if I were in a prison over 3 dys knowing I could be there for life - you bet, I wouuld find spirtuality.

What's up with the attack on Judge Hogshire? I thought he conducted the trial with dignity and efficiency and was one of the few major players to emerge from the last 2 1/2 weeks with his reputation intact. (Chapman did as well.)

As for the cocaine speculation, I've long thought about how tough it is to drink heavily for 15 hours without some sort of amphetamine booster, so I wouldn't be surprised at all. I don't understand what anybody in a position power would have to gain by covering it up though.

As an uninformed and nonexpert of the law, damn good job, ladies and gentlemen of the jury!
On another matter, it's so sad that our institutions of "higher" learning always hold themselves blameless for the moral misdirections and unacceptable actions of their student charges! Unfortunately I have experienced personally how these institutions with there self serving rules and regulations will not accept any responsibility for there students. The culture of alcohol, drugs and out of control jocks should not be given the pass that is often the case.

@ In the land of hoos - what the heck??

You must not have really read anything I've written, because I've said that I think the verdict was fair. Some people think it's too much, some think it's too little. But I think it's pretty fair considering what I've seen of the evidence. I've never said anything about spirituality or anything, so you must be confusing me with someone else. I think 20+ years is a darn long time to sit in jail thinking of what you've done, and I hope it makes Mr. Huguey a better person.

And yes, as a UVA alum, I have been very interested in this case. I don't like thinking of how poor Yeardley Love spent the last few hours of her life. And I also don't like seeing the University I love so much thrust into the limelight for such a terrible situation. So forgive me if that bothers you.

@Liberalace - ......I was not an anomaly. More than half the guys on my Div. 1 program came from public high schools. Granted I grew up and played collegiately in the northeast where public schools make up a significant portion of lacrosse playing high schools.....probably a much higher percentage then the Maryland area. I will admit I have met a lot a d-bag fellow lacrosse players in my day....but no more/no less than the general population. I get so tired of everytime there is a national story that somehow involves lacrosse the media and others refer to it as a sport played by only priviledged and spoiled kids. Funny...that is not the experience I had growing up where my parents and those of most of my teammates stretched every penny and sacrificed in order to live in a nice town and send their kids to good colleges.

Jason and Kate Burg: I have been wondering why the BAC or illicit substance tests, if even adminstered, were not entered into evidence either. I recall one weekend at the beach in Delaware during the summer of 2010, standing outside on a deck drinking some beers when a couple in the forties asked me for a light. We started chatting and I found out they were on holiday from Chevy Chase. Immediately I thought of the Love murder and asked them if they had been following. Turned out that the couple happened to neighbors of Huguely's and they emphatically supported his character saying that his mindset was brought about the excessive drinking and, they suspected, too much "yo" -- cocaine. Apparently, the term "yo" is what the UVA lax players call the drug in code and that was/is used with some recreational frequency at parties. They also said that GHV had been pressured all his life to excel at lacrosse. It will interesting to see if Huguely's attorneys will seek out this information if they pursue an appeal.

@hoos - this is an open forum, people can post on here as much as they want and if you haven't noticed, this whole trial has caught wide attention and interest, hence why we're all here.

With GH being catholic he is in his own world of hurt. He committed a mortal sin.

There is a Q and A session in the Post with one of the reporters at the trial. Fairly interesting. I also am curious why a small child was hauled into court to watch the verdict. I don't think it showed good sense and seemed to be a dramatic mock.

If he is using his religion as a coping mechanism I imagine he is feeling a lot of guilt. I hesitate to bring religion into the discussion becasue I don't think everyone feels the same way about it. In his case, i don't see he has a choice but to use religion to cope.

Confucius say -- When in deep water , don't open mouth .

Minor point, but cocaine is neither a narcotic nor an amphetamine. The suggestion that some conspiracy among the "powers that be" to cover up cocaine use affected the investigation of Love's murder is probably the most outlandish of all of the outlandish and uninformed speculation associated with this case. Will alien or CIA involvement be next?

Does anyone know why George's dad was absent last night?

HooDe: He was on a beer run...

DofW- I also have spoken with people that grew up with him and near him and some who went to UVa with him and everyone said he was a nice boy- not malicious, not sick, not with a history like Robert Chambers that went way back into childhood. He wasn't known to kill Barbie dolls or maim cats. Even a very respected and accomplished classmate of GHV's who graduated in 2010 told me that GHV used to come by his fraternity often and said that he was really nice, really friendly and a "good guy". Like Still Interested, I agree it's not a good idea to bring religion into this but, I think ultimately, he was a good person who was born good and I also have heard that his mother is a nice, beautiful (inside) person. To me, his sickness was alcohol and he never got help, nor did it come to him.

We can blame all sorts of people, though of course he is ultimately to blame, I do not disagree with that. I am not defending him. I am just putting it into a perspective that is meaningful to me. This story hits home to me because I was once in Yeardley's shoes. I went to UVa and dated a fellow student on and off for a long time, even well after we graduated. He also had a drinking problem that caused him to do some very bad things to me, and to others. He also abused cocaine. He got in fights with bartenders, cops, friends and me. It was a toxic situation that I stupidly put up with, and I stupidly didn't help him with. You can say I am stupid, or Yeardley was, but we both saw good in these people at some point and for more than just a short time. And for me, I was young, and caught up in having my own fun and not paying attention to the seriousness of what could happen. I felt invincible. It was like one big party that simply had some ups and downs, is what it felt like at the time. This was in the 90's too, and there wasn't as much awareness about domestic violence as there is today, I believe. Everyone knew he would get crazy with alcohol, but no one took the time to say 'get him some help". I can't say what Yeardley thought, but I knew a really good side to this guy I was with, we had a friendship and it sounds like Yeardley did too. I received a letter like the one Yeardly did, and multiple apologies. My mother, like Yeardley's, got very worried, but she never went as far as Yeardley's to tell me to get a restraining order. This boy ended up in jail a time or two for assaulting me. The whole story feels all too familiar.

Ultimately, I broke up with him (after much too long) and he ended up growing up and out of it on his own- darn lucky nothing terrible happened to me or anyone else. I'd say he finally grew up around age 27. He was known to his friends for being aggressive and abusive, verbally and physically. But like I said, he was lucky that he grew up. We both have healthy marriages now and kids. We both have successful careers. But I keep thinking, and so does my mom these past weeks... this could have been me. And I can ASSURE you, that my family would have wanted him to fry if he murdered me. And I'd be pissed (wherever I was!) too that he'd done it, but I'd also be sad for him, because I knew he was not a sicko, twisted psychopath or intentional killer. He had a BAD BAD BAD problem with alcohol... and up in heaven, I might be looking down on him, pissed as hell, but also sorry that he never got help, nor did it come to him, because I knew that he loved me deeply, saw me as his best friend, and would not have "meant" to cause such grave harm.

Lesson-- anytime moving forward you see ANYONE at all with a problem, DO SOMETHING. Do not hesitate. Speak up. Say something and have the balls to confront an uncomfortable situation. I do not see GHV as a twisted sicko (of which there are many out there), I think he needed help- BADLY, and he didn't get it. And by the way, I am tired of all the entitlement comments, the guy I was with was not a LAX guy, and he wasn't that wealthy. It happens in all socio-economic levels.

Now I know you all are going to lambaste me on several counts. But you can be an educated (UVa for that matter!) person and stay with people you shouldn't... or become an alcoholic.

DON'T SIT BY! Help people who need help!!

Dysfunction: Very well said.

@ Recovered from Dysfunction - thanks for sharing your story.

Excellent testimony RecoveredFromDysfunction!
I wonder if GH's and YL's friends are still partying like they did at UVA or did they grow up?

Dysfunction...great post! I too know people who know GWH5 and his parents and grandparents and while he may have been a nice kid they clearly knew he had problems with alcohol...his father is fifty something going on 15 and partied right along with his son...the divorce was nasty and of course the children are the ones to suffer...with that being said I think the parents had sufficient signs they needed to get counseling for their son! There is way to much alcohol abuse on campuses around the country and I hope there will be some changes made, but I sincerely doubt it...I use to show up unannounced on campus when my children were in college and believe me it was eye opening!!

Duke of Wellington - I think your beer run comment is totally inappropriate. There really is no humor in any aspect of this case/trial. My heart breaks for YL's family and I can also understand how there are many tears being shed for GH as well. Justice may have been served but it certainly doesn't ease the pain.

Abby: My apologies.

If he were a "nice kid", then the defense would have put those witnesses on the stand during the sentencing phase..........didn't happen, they knew the prosecution had witnesses to rebuke any that they may have had............

They couldn't even put the parents ont he stand- they all know that he is no good.

I suspect that when he does get out that he will go the Robert Chambers route and end up in for life w/o parole.

Duke - Accepted.

I just don't see this sentence as being anywhere near commensurate with the pain and loss he caused to Ms Love and her family. The "boy athlete" got off easy. RIP, YL.

Woodchuck baby, you don't see 26 years without the possibility of parole a long sentence? Someone please explain to Woodchuck the difference between what 26 years means in Virginny and what i means in say, Maryland.

People who beat other people to death are not "good" persons. It's tragic that our culture excuses violent behavior especially these so-called "crimes of passion," an egregious misnomer since these are really hate crimes by people who view their spouse/girlfriend not as a person but as property. Alcohol didn't kill Yeardley Love, GH5 did…with his bare hands.

GH5 is an angry, violent man who was used to having his name and his parents' money bail him out every time he went on an abusive bender. The sentence the jury recommended is far too lenient. If the judge reduces it further it will be a huge miscarriage of justice, and further proof that GH5's family money is still working its enabling magic.

I was fine with the murder 2 conviction, but this sentence is an insult to the victim and her loved ones. Just deplorable.

26 years minus 15% minus time served gets him out in his mid 40s. Society could even wind up with a George VI to deal with. No, that's not fair.

Non wealthy lax player, perhaps you are from Long Island? I know as someone who grew up in Baltimore, and has lived in Manhattan for many years that not all public school systems are the same. I also know that Long Island is the home to the best lacrosse teams in the country. ( Please don't anyone write back and tell me how wrong I am and extoll the virtues of some other state, as no one really cares, including me. )

Maryland public schools are not the best and many opt for private education, hence many private schools have the good lacrosse teams.

Not that it really matters anyway, except that George was just that stereotypical bloated, hungover, ignored by his dysfunctional parents type. You know the ones I'm sure.

Though he'll spend the prime of his life in jail, GH could have perhaps 40 years of freedom when he gets out. 40 years, no doubt in the lap of luxury provided by a sizeable inheritance. What does Yeardley Love have? Zip. No, this is not fair!

Jason, I definitely agree with you that he was likely using cocaine. How do you think it would have impacted the case, had we known that to be true?

If they had done a drug test and found that he was under the influence of cocaine, what would that have implied other than the obvious?

His family money is working magic? I didn't see the magic. I did, however, see lazy and unprepared, lame, weak etc...

Skip, while I am speculating here, I believe the reason he was never put on the stand nor the parents, was because he would then be questioned about prior incidents of violent behavior. Just a guess.

Oh sad. He will be old and ugly when he is out in his 40's. He shouldn't have kids because he will be too old to play with them and he will not find a pretty wife at that age. His entire life is taken from but the jury found he took a life so he is paying fror his crime.

Does anyone know whether the police ever questioned GH about the murder of Morgan Harrington?

Hawes Spencer gave an excellent explanation of why Huguely's parents didn't testify on their son's behalf in the sentencing phase. Coy Barefoot show today :

http://www.wina.com/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=5703347

Woodchuck: I'm pretty sure they linked Morgan's murder via DNA to a man who had attacked a woman in the 90s. I don't believe they've caught him.

Pretty sure you can rule Huguely out there.

@sue lord. Yes. *Enabling* magic. GH5's violent and abusive behavior has been enabled by his family, school, coaches, and friends. If he wasn't born into wealth and privilege, he would have been locked up long before he ever got around to finally killing someone. And *if* the judge reduces his sentence, it will just more of that same enabling. IMO it's time GH5 was finally held accountable for his actions. It's tragic that he wasn't held accountable sooner.

I have spent months on death row if all of the combined days were added up. While he will not be on death row, and that cuts both ways, I can assure you, it will be hell on earth for him.

my Fathers clients hold nothing back and so many times pointed to 280 pound men and told us, "see him: it the last 3 months he has been beaten and you can imagine the rest."

It is what it is, it may come down to 18 years, but trust me! After he hits the population in prison: It will be like 300 years. DO NOT PITY HIM, this is NOT a case of someone else did it, he's innocent.

I take NO pleasure in pain, but reality bites literally!

He could have plead to second and gotten less and had at least the compassion to spare the Love family. He did not and the dogs can smell cowards and they devour them, share them and it it is as much about control and power as his act of murder was.

Cowards deserve less compassion that those that own their mistakes!

@Captain Crunch Girl: You must be young....most men in their 40's are trading in their wives for young trophies. He can find a young one at that age, at 50, at 60 ........

I recall that during his police interrogation GH said that he had consumed about five vodkas (on top of everthing else he had beforehand) that evening. There has been speculation about GH using cocaine as well. I am wondering if anybody knows (from Boylans) if GH may have been having his vodkas with RedBull. I see the younger set drinking this stuff with shots. For those who dont know, the redbull is nonalcoholic but it is loaded with caffeine and i guess sugar. I am wondering if GH may have been drinking this stuff that evening and subsequently became mucho wound up and buzzed. Just speculating, still it would explain some things.

Michael Sutton -- What is your authority that the Commonwealth ever offered to plead this case down to second degree murder--much less offered a sentence of less than 25 years? (Although the median sentence for M2 in VA has been 19 years in recent years according to : http://www.snookandhaughey.com/news/huguely-the-aftermath/ -- i.e., half the sentences are shorter -- to wit the recent Bowles case in Charlottesville, 15 years for stabbing his wife 16 times.)

You can't just walk into court and plead guilty to the lesser crime if the prosecution doesn't agree to that, for if you do, the prosecution can still try you for murder 1.

While I am sure the rumors of vicious inmate on inmate assaults are true --to those of you who sneer and chuckle about that, shame on you. May you never find yourself or a loved one incarcerated, as "Karma is a b**ch . . .
To the "guards" who allow it or look the other way, they should be charged, convicted, and put into that population as punishment. They are as despicable as the inmates who engage in such behavior, and it is disheartening to know my taxes go to pay their salaries.

STEROIDS-

There has been talk about him having been on steroids... Does anyone know anything about this? If he was on them, why did this not come into play in the trial? Would UVA have turned a blind eye on such use or even condoned them? Pardon my lack of sports knowledge.

If he was on them, shouldn't this have come up at trial? We all know his blood was not taken and tested for things that am, but does anyone know if it was commonly known that he was taking them?

cin17, maybe his birthright did buy him some time, but that's the world in which we all live. We do not live in a classless society. Money equals power.

So what? Miss Love lived in the same world without the same monetary advantages.

The judge will not reduce the time. The Huguely family does not have that kind of money.....

Sue Lord --

Are you sure on Love's monetary situation?

All indications from the beginning of this tragedy were the Loves are a family of substantial means. Moreover, from all indications, including during the trial, Ms. Love lived and played in just as fast a lane as Huguely. That by no means mitigates the tragedy of her death, but let's not misrepresent the facts, either.

This is all around a tragic situation. And George Huguely is paying dearly for his transgressions. One opinion I do share with you is the judge will not reduce the sentence recommended by the jury -- not without something highly unforeseen in the presentence report.

Janis -- there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Huguely was on steroids. The speculation by some in the media and some on these boards is utterly baseless. Prison food, no alcohol, and the worry of going to prison for a long time, maybe even life, would take 30 pounds off of almost anyone. But then again, the group-think was he was having a high old time in jail the past 18 months, expecting to be back to his ole ways as soon as the trial was over.

I think the jury did well with 2nd degree. I was a bit lower along with a retired circuit court judge in the family into man slaughter. I do not agree with a year for a stupid Dell computer. If the sentences run concurrent then this point is moot, but I would have pulled a jury nullification on price/value. Not something a jury gets instructed on but one of their powers.

An Observer - how does one have "A high old time in jail"?

Yes, I am sure. I am at a loss for an analogy to paint the picture, but their worlds were certainly not as different as apples and car tires ( just pulling an object out of the air), but rather like apples and oranges.

Not sure if that makes sense, or if it even has any relevance to the outcome of the trial at all. They certainly travelled in similar circles, and to a point were the same from a social standpoint.

Restore the Republic -- agree with you (and the retired Judge) 100%. Hearing the interviews from UVa students and a couple of the jurors, I did somewhat underestimate the intense animosity on grounds and in town toward Huguely for the very bad light his conduct put the University in. That probably had a hand in tipping the verdict to Murder 2.

On the computer -- Having seen (and replaced) laptops that have barely survived 4 years of college, there is no way the computer was worth $200. In fact, to me the prosecutor almost conceded the point when the best witness he could come up with was the local pawn broker. Pawn brokers have to be in the pocket of the local police and prosecutor to keep the doors open. They are always vulnerable to being charged with receiving stolen property. Accordingly, I would not have found that testimony convincing. The conviction on grand larceny contradicts the rest of the evidence that the jurors were well-educated and thoughtful. Petty larceny; absolutely.

Thoughtful -- precisely! But to hear many here, especially the "he must have been a steroid user because of the difference in his appearance between his arrest and trial," Huguely was lounging around snacking and playing cards or something.

@Observer- thanks for explaining - I didn't get the sarcasm in there. Probably because of other posts that have been made on here, as you indicated, I thought you were being serious.

As I read the remarks about who else was responsible - family, friends, the school and the coach, something occurred to me that I have thought about a lot in my own life. And that is, that I have been in a number of situations in the last several years where I was treated quite badly by others - not physical abuse but other stuff. And the interesting thing is that though I have good friends, mentors and even people in a position of authority who supported me in various ways, and deplored the behavior of these people, no one wanted to stand up to these people and tell them to their face that they were being jerks . My conclusion - people are usually reluctant to confront people who are having a problem or who are causing problems for others because its difficult to stand up to abusive and difficult people. Most just don't want the headache of doing that. It seems that it has to go to extremes for anyone to do anything. And then everyone asks why no one did anything. In that sense this case is not unique. It's only unique because it went to an extreme.

I am curious about George's current incarceration ... is he in solitary? is he allowed to use a computer or take online classes?

Also, my attempts to get help for an ex partner proved futile, because they would not accept help from me or other family and friends who were willing to help. It's not an easy thing to get help for a troubled person. The only thing that works is if someone has some authority over them, who can force them to get help.

Little Georgie was separated from the regular prison population and given his own cell for his own protection as happens in a lot of high profile cases. I suspect he's still there. He would last a very short time in general population given his socio-economic background and the fact that he's white. After sentencing he will at last be transferred to a state prison, I hope its not a nice one.

AO:

Its over, I never sneer and chuckle.

The inmates do not either.

I predicted 30 prior to jury selection.

Exercise your free speech, but leave me out of it, babble babble.

Justice was served and he will serve, argue all you want!

Your are the least impressive of people that posted here, so I just exercised my right.

Now, once again thank you Hawes and The Hook, I realize that even those with serious mental issues have the right post.

I have 3 more murder cases I am working on, and all anyone has to do is see my posts here. 30 is darn close to 26 when other were stating 8, 4 with time served and GB.

CYA!

An Observer - I acknowledge your post.

If the jury were so astute then a Dell laptop would not have pulled the insane charge. Money changes value daily and $200 back when the law was written is not the same today. A jury passing judgement on this fact is obviously not well informed. Anyone one want to do a year for their piece of crap useed computer today/ I rest my case!

@Micheal Sutton: Really? You've really spent months on death row? You sure do brag a lot and ramble on and on about your non-existent legal career, when we all know you're a hanger on and talk as if you are someone you are not. You hang onto vague notions of greatness and professionalism and no one buys it.
Sorry, but it just gets old listening to you year after year go on about these young white girl murder cases and your supposed devotion and concern for the law and justice. You don't know much and you waste your time skulking around these dead pretty girl cases in a way that frankly is transparent.

And I know, you're gonna launch off at me with your 'victim' sagas, how brutally you've been traumatized and all the so called 'clients' you've helped to represent who've been victimized. Just do us a favor and comment with in your reality and not another persons' sob story. Please stay true to who we all know you really are.

@Perspective - I don't think you have to worry about the prison being nice. Prison is prison, not holiday camp.

@Restore the Public - thanks. One year for the computer also seemed a lot to me. I wonder if it was not the value of the computer but what it meant and what it indicated about his state of mind. He beat her and then took the computer - that would indicate to some a kind of callousness - to injure someone and then rob them. It also seems calculating.

@Perspective - didn't mean to be sarcastic. It's just that some people on here are fretting that 26 years is not enough and that maybe he won't have a bad enough time in prison. Personally I think 1 week in prison would be hell, what to speak of 26 years - that's a third of most people's lifetime.

Prison is a brutal place. Make no mistake about it. Fortunatly, the so called worst prisons might be the best place for his safety because they are on virtual lock-down. For his own safety he needs to be at least a 3 level because the long timers generally don't like their daily routines disrupted with violence or anything that makes their home lesser quality. The bad news is that statiscally rapes happen more to young white middle class white first time offenders. The young drug offenders have something to proove - its a temporary reality and their reputation in prison needs to be as fierce as the street.

@An Observer. Both the Bowles case and Huguely's case are similar, in that a man gets a slap on the wrist for murdering his (in)significant other. It's sad that the chattel system is still alive and well in the 21st century, and women's lives are so devalued by our so-called justice system.

@Restore the Republic. That "piece of carp" Dell had incriminating evidence on it. I think most folks are smart enough to realize that 1 year for evidence tampering (couched as grand larceny) is a very light sentence. Also the fact that GH5 was sober enough to remove evidence when he could have called 911 instead. IMO, he deserved more time for the theft, as it showed how callously calculating he was.

Mr. Sutton --

Thank you for confirming you have absolutely no evidence that a plea to M2 with a sentence less than 25 years was ever offered by the prosecutor.

Thoughtful -- the problem with the conviction for grand larceny (stealing an object of value worth more than $200) is that the computer wasn't worth $200. The jury just got that one wrong.

I think taking the computer influenced the jury's finding of malice and their recommended sentence of 25 years for M2.

Cin17 - not relevent but I just gotta - I am a 24 year old black male. If a crime happens anywhere in my vicinity I immediatly assume everyone thinks I did it. It goes with the territory of coffee colored skin. Not even I think that he somehow got a light sentence. Its hard time. He got hard time. At most the computer would have added 3 years had he looked more like me. Get over it.

@ moving on:

I guess I'm one of the ones who've just assumed Daddy would pay for George's protective custody, where he's kept away from the rest of the prison population? Kind of like he's supposedly had for the past 2 years?

Guess I never imagined that the rich lacrosse boy would have to be in amongst the rest of the riff raff......

and one more thing - you are whining and whining about his background. That tells me that anyone different then you is getting favorable treatment. It also tells me that you probably middle to upper america white america and consider yourself elite and noone tells you enough so you are trying to get reaffirmation that you are so called priveledged. Trial ended, and if you are still interested in this loser then google all there is to knw about prisons and what will happen in Act 2.

I want to look away from this train wreck but I can;t. Booo, are you a "rich white boy" who wants to perpetuate this image of lacrosse. More then likely you or your kid play lacrosse and you want eveyone to associate it with money. Pay for protective custody? yeah, thats how it wrks.

The best punishment for Huguely is to stop talking about him. Irrelevance goes a long way in torturing someone. Make the guy a nobody. For people still interested whether is trial was fair or not why don't you donate money to criminal defense funds for people who are convicted of crimes who don't have access to so called best lawyers. If you are still so concerned about it - write him. He is allowed to receive mail. Hey! Maybe he will play the irrelevant card right back at you!

@Moving on: A-f--king-men! The trial is OVER. All of these half-cocked conspiracy theories would even make Oliver Stone revise his awful film "JFK."

Facts:

Huguely was/is rich - so what?

Huguely is going to prison.

Huguely did it - why? Because he was drunk, angry, and couldn't deal with rejection. Psychological fact: where there is hate there is still passion. Hate is an emotion, dislike is a matter of opinion.

Huguely played lacrosse. Does he represent the rest of his cohorts past, present, and future? NO!

Finally, for all of the "what if-ers" why don't you all just apply to law school? There you can spend three years speculating all you want and learn the Socratic method as an added bonus included in your tuition!

@just wondering - I just found out there was his DNA on the door and hair on the door so perhaps it would not have made a difference with his interview with the police - however, on the accounts of the interviews with the Jury Forewoman and one of the jurors out there - they used that video taped interview to determine much of the decission they made.

If he had lawyered up, they may never have found the laptop. The DNA/hair in the room - could have been explained away as the "last romp" - somehow his DNA and hair were found there but "someone else" had done the deed and stole the laptop. (There would have been more reasonable doubt there to play with for the defense.)

Personally, I don't see lawyering up as guilt for anything - I see it as not being railroaded in any situation dealing with law enforcement. As I stated here, if the police want to search my home, they can with a warrent and with my attorney present. They will not find anything at all BUT, I refuse to be railroaded in any way, shape or form.

@Susan Russell, as a native of the area and alum, I could not agree with you more here on all points you have made. Our school systems take "no tolerance" stances all the time, why can't our Universities or colleges out there?

Suggest you all read the accounts of how the Jurors came to the verdict -

http://www.newsplex.com/huguelytrial/headlines/Huguely_Juror_Speaks_Out_...

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/02/george_hug...

An Observer - "Thoughtful -- the problem with the conviction for grand larceny (stealing an object of value worth more than $200) is that the computer wasn't worth $200. The jury just got that one wrong."

Ah, no witness for the Commonwealth stated it was worth (at that time - 2 years ago when it was taken) between $200 - $250. Defense witness stated the value at between $150 and $200. They jury took the middle number which made it Grand Larcany - obviously your observation for detail or this case is lacking.

Janis said, "There has been talk about him having been on steroids... Does anyone know anything about this?"

One of his team mates was caught smuggling steroids back from Mexico on a family vacation. I don't know whether GH was a user or not, but apparently his associates were and he likely had access to them. Steroid use would also be consistent with his brutal violence.

Interesting article- info from the jury forewoman:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/02/george_hug...

woodhcuck-- I think there is a great chance that he was using, given what you say. Sure, prison food, being sad and scared would reduce his weight over two years in prison, but 'roids can't be ruled out theoretically. I wonder why this wasn't investigated... could have been used by defense that combined with alcohol, they made him act irrationally. Wonder if Starsia turned a blind eye to such Mexican imports. ??

@woodchuck - #1 if this had been an issue - the defense would have used "roid rage", they did not and Division 1 Athletes are tested for this - they knew if they even brought this up, the Commonwealth would have accessed all those records/blood tests.

It is a non-issue - along with the "cocaine use" the fact is GH5 with malice caused Yeardley's death, he has been convicted. Go look at the Juror's interviews - his drinking - wasn't a factor except for the fact that they knew he had a problem that he obviously didn't take care of, and no one else but Yeardley appeared to confront him on that issue either.

Really? Why must we second guess this verdict? Accept it people. I truly think he got off light but I accept it as it is. The Jury followed the law and justice is served.

Move on and make sure if you know of any situation like this in the future - say something, do something, move that UVA and other colleges out there take a no tolerence stand vs. any violence. Move that our whole society do that!

Was there more than one shooter in Dallas? Was Huguely framed? Did Michael Jackson's doctor kill him? Did Peter Lawford and Bobby Kennedy kill Marilyn Monroe? Was Whitney Houston really drugged up when she died?

Cville Native -- not going to join you in name calling.

As I said in my comment, there was no CREDIBLE evidence of value over $200. In fact, I even identified the commonwealth's witness on valuation, and explained why I didn't think he was credible. I would have expected the jury, which has been described as highly educated (at least as juries go) to have found the CA's evidence on valuation, lacking. But, as you stated, they probably just split the difference after a long day.

FWIW -- the smuggling referred to by Woodchuck occurred when the player was in high school, NOT while he was at UVa or a teammate of Huguely's. In fact, in response to the incident, the high school in CT recognized it needed to improve it's fitness faculties and program so that students were not tempted to seek out steroids in an effort to improve athletic performance.

A bit off-topic, but has it ever been established how Chapman got those emails? Did he get them from the defense?

Cville, cross posted with your last post. I agree the jury has spoken. My comments on the GL conviction are just nitpicking. Overall jury appeared to take their responsibility seriously.

@moving on. "Get over it?" What the heck is that supposed to mean? We are all here giving our opinions so you might as well include everyone, even yourself, in the "get over it" lecture.

I don't think Bowles got enough time. I don't think Huguely got enough time. In each case, the brutal taking of a woman's life was not considered serious enough to garner serious time. IMO that's a very sad commentary on our society and the injustice inherent in our culture. You don't have to agree with me but telling me to "get over it" is absurd. Personally, I wish our culture would "get over" viewing a woman's brutal murder as excusable. But, sadly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

An Observer said, "FWIW -- the smuggling referred to by Woodchuck occurred when the player was in high school, NOT while he was at UVa or a teammate of Huguely's."

Wow, so you can get caught smuggling drugs and still get admitted to UVA, and still make the team? What do you have to do to NOT make the team? Kill someone?

Cville and your many monikers - I kind of have to agree that its time to put the conspiracy theories to rest. As the Duke suggested, your kind of making a mockery of it all now. Amen to brother moving on - turn the page. Georgie will spend the next 2 months with the horrible realization that where he is going isn't Congressional country Club. His "daddy" will indeed be protecting him but it will be a daddy of a different kind. Being a white, extremely pretty, and famously "rich" will set him up for horrors.

Conspiracy: What are the odds that GHV may be paired up with a white collar criminal serving time? Perhaps they can exchange "good old boy" stories together such as filling the prayer books with pennies before chapel...

Did I read that GHIV was only in court that first day and never came back?

Also interesting that the juror in the Slate interview said the jury was not aware that their sentencing was only a recommendation and that it's possible Hogshire would reduce to 19 years, which is more the average and let the 1 year go on the grand larceny. Gah, I hope not. Hawes seemed to indicate in his interview on WINA that due to the fact that this jury clearly worked hard to do a good job, it was likely that Hogshire would leave the sentence as-is.

I did like where the Slate jurist said the jury didn't fall for the defense's bullsh*t and were almost offended by it. And saw George lying at every opportunity first in the interview to cover his ass.

Slate has posted a very in-depth interview with the jury forewoman. I was impressed that the same things that I took exception to, so did the jury.

"But as alienating as those raw exchanges might have been, Gruia says the jury took exception to Huguely’s lawyer using them to “downplay every action that George took.”

“He’d say, ‘That’s just what kids do,’ ” Gruia says, speaking of Lawrence’s defense argument. “We had a juror who went to UVA and he and his friends drank a lot. He said that kind of behavior of kicking down the door is not normal. That should not be a characterization of students at UVA. For anyone to suggest that is normal is so offensive. The defense’s whole approach in that regard was not appropriate.” "

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/02/george_hug...

@ moving on

My comment wasn't meant antagonistically towards you. Geez louise, take a chill pill.

"Booo, are you a "rich white boy" who wants to perpetuate this image of lacrosse. More then likely you or your kid play lacrosse and you want eveyone to associate it with money. Pay for protective custody? yeah, thats how it wrks."

Not rich. I'm not even male. :D Never played lacrosse. Don't have any kids, and never intend to. So, you're wrong on all fronts. So much for "more than likely."

Like I said, my comment wasn't meant antagonistically towards you, but apparently you're already on the defensive so you can't differentiate between a random musing and somebody who's actually attacking you.

But that aside, the point of my comment was a musing about the idea of George actually having to be in with the rest of the prison population, and not sequestered away with special treatment, thanks to daddy's money. The reason I say that is because it was reported that George spent the last 2 years separated from the rest of the jail population.

20 years in state prison with other violent felons will make GH an old man. 20 years of constant vigilance against rape, assault, gang beatdowns, etc. Constant tension and self torment. He may get out at 45 years of age, but he will be a shadow of his former self. For his sake, I hope he finds some kind of spiritual peace or else he will come out a broken man with nothing to give back to society.

Patrick: If Huguely is smart, he will do his time how James "Whitey" Bulger did his: being obedient, studying, and then make up for lost time.

boo - The reason he was in protective custody previously was due to the high profile nature of this case. It wouldn't look good for Cville if he committed suicide or got beat up. Although I'm not sure how often something like that happens in a local jail like ACRJ.

I highly doubt his "daddy's money" (the extent of which I think has likely been highly exaggerated....GH4 doesn't seem to be rolling in the dough from what I've read) can buy him protective custody going forward.

What's prison food like in comparison with hospital food?

Not to sound insensitive but this headline made me want to hurl: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/after-george-huguel...

UVA lacrosse players are subject to random drug testing throughout the season and every player is tested before heading into the NCAA tournament (which would have been about a week after Love's death). The idea that he was using steroids is just silly. He was drunk and had an alcohol and anger problem. Let it go...

WOW, is it just me or are these jurors trying to break some record for idiotic statements before the seats get cold in the Courthouse. I think I have seen articles from at least four of these folks just this morning at breakfast. Who, by the way, all seem to be on the UVA payroll..

I won't bore you good readers by repeating what is already in the press. The article in the Metro section of the Washington Post may be the interviewee's 15 minutes of fame. The sentencing is several weeks down the road. How about putting a zipper on it until that phase of the trial is over. I'll bet the defense attorneys are having lawgasams. Why don't the jurors just stop by the office on Park Street and record a blow by blow of the deliberations for RQ and FMcQL.

My estimation of the quality of the jury goes way down after reading all the articles. In addition to The Post, MSN, The Daily Regress and Slate all had sound bites from different jurors. For those jurors who have not had a chance to speak to the press, please send me your contact information and I will send you a copy of my press connections list. NOT!

Charlottesville, grow up, shut up and, as the Irish say, let the dead bury their dead.

Prisons are fairly safe places. The very sad fact is that there are many men and women who lead a healthier and more productive life behind bars then they ever did or will do in the so called free world. The stories of rapes in prisons are highly exaggerated. Although, it is likely that at some point in GHV's prison career he will have to contend with sexual assault. George can ask for protective custody if he does not feel safe. My guess is that the prison warden doesn't want him in "general population" anymore then he wants to be in general population. That being said, by his mid 30's he will have assimilated well into the culture.

yah but people want to know he is suffering.

hook reader: Yeah, because he's probably having the time of his life right now...

Oh he will suffer alright, but not alone, someone will love to be his new girl friend.

@Just an FYI - "Prisons are fairly safe places." - What experience/authority or where did that come from - out of thin air? Oh no they are not! And rapes happen all the time in Prisons and at ACRJ (though not as often at the local facilities) and those officers at the prisons are in danger every day, just like police officers and a police officer would tell you they wouldn't want a Correctional Officer's job - ever.

A family member who is in corrections, they tell those going on to a State Facility - "Go to the biggest guy when you are put out in GP and hit him - you will get segregation, you will get your butt handed to you but when back out you will have respect. Different code of ethics in there than out here folks.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Texas-leads-nation-in-pr...

“Protecting prisoners from sexual abuse remains a challenge in correctional facilities across the country,” the commission for the new law stated in its 259-page report. “Too often, in what should be secure environments, men, women and children are raped or abused by other incarcerated individuals and corrections staff.”

http://www.bravemantherapy.com/articles/prison.htm

For the record here - GH5 money can not buy protection of his son - he will be "remanded" to the Virginia Department of Corrections in April after the formal sentencing. He will probably not go back to ACRJ - he will leave in the custody of DOC.

Just days before the murder, Yeardley's mother urged her to get a restraining order against GH based on his recent behavior. Did the jury ever come to know that? It seems to me that indicates premeditation on Huguely's part, otherwise Mrs. Love would have to have been clairvoyant.

Kate
I am sorry if I did not sound harsh enough. For the record my experience with prisons is extensive and personal. For 22 years my wife and I have been involved with prison ministry programs. Please read my post more diligently. I said that he will probably experience at some point a sexual confrontation. Keeping prisoners safe has always been a challenge. The corrections offers of virginia are well known to be tough on prisoners. The red onion itself is known as a bad place by prisoners often because the guards don't put up with the smallest of infractions. I never ever stated that money would buy him special treatment. Prisoners have the right to be put in protective custody as it is sometimes referred. It is fair and obvious that the prison he is sent to does not want any trouble and that this young, boyish, "famous", white prisoner won't be dining with the prison masses any time soon.

Let me just ask respectfully, if you have not been in a prison either as a volunteer, employee, or prisoner then don't rely on hearsay from Uncle Bubba or dubious internet articles. A prison is not fun, a prison is not a place George Huguely would ever want to be. 25 years in a prison is not something I would wish on anyone. Prison administration, staff, and volunteers should be commended for the work they do in making as safe as possible.

Get her monikers correct, dude!

@Just FYI - I have a SPOUSE who worked at ACRJ for 5 years, works for Virginia DOC for now another 5 years - that is where I have my basic info - someone who works there day in and day out for over 10 years. So kiss my ---. To say they are safe? You are delusional! My spouse has been to the hospital on several occassions because those he is to protect decide they want to "act up". There were two officers taken hostage at ACRJ not long ago. One inmate almost had his head cut off in another incident. There was a suicide not long ago - can I go on and on?

I am not relying on hearsay but you obviously are - prisons are safe my butt they are.

ooo, an argument. I don't get what there is to argue though. You are sometimes informative c-ville, other times I think you are posting because you have noone with whom to talk. I think you overreacted a bit at FYI comment. He did say in the first comment that he was likely to be raped. Chillax friend, prison is rough and GV is in for close to 30 years of rough.

FYI, I thnk you are trying to be nice but I think that we all know its brutal there in prison. Saying prison is safe is like saying George is a good boy to have as a boyfriend. I respect that you do do ministry work.
Now, C-ville can you nicely tell us what your husband thinks will become of George in prison? I respect that he works in the prisons so the rest of us are safe.

White girls. James?

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/mar/28/mother-grieves-sons-death/

http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=10376957

Malibu, read the names.

AO, I have not confirmed anything as you claim. Remember The Hook 4 months after the initial charges and delays in C'ville court. Read the paper that you post on.

Wrong, yet again, Michael. There was speculation in advance of the 12/10 pretrial hearing that a plea agreement was forthcoming -- instead at the hearing the defense requested access to Ms. Love's medical records.

Please stop making up stuff and posting it as truth. The number of times some whopper has been posted in the comment on this blog and reported as "truth" by someone else is frightening.

I'd be shocked it there were NOT plea discussions while the case was pending. I applaud both the prosecutor and the defense for keeping the substance of any such discussions to themselves.

" requested access to Ms. Love's medical records."

Thats the point!

A coward does that!
Take responsibility, then bargain.

I know much more, not for speculation, but it is in print and will be available. And not written by me.

He could have not requested the records and said fast proceeding, I committed 2nd degree murder. Repeated it under oath an believe me or anyone with experience he dis not!

He rolled the dice!
He lost and win you lose this is what happens.

These are not my opinions solely, they are well founded from minds from experienced attorneys from UVA, Vanderbilt University, Stanford, Harvard, U of Miami FL and Yale.

Coward! Murderer! Guilty! Prison! ALL FACTS!

Others, maybe not you post about his looks, how ironic for an inmate.

REMORSE is always factored in.

Once again Michael confirms that he has nothing of value to add to any rational discussion. That gibberish looks like it has been run through Google Translate a few times. No telling what the original language was or what it was intended to mean.

Google translate? I don't have spell check. So in the 60's I started an PR campaign for the internet? Then after that 180 cases before this and another half of dozen after Hugeley was arrested.

Wow, gibberish.

I and my Father,

Lucius Burch:

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/entry.php?rec=160

Irving Salky,

Russel Sugarman

http://wknofm.org/post/funeral-benjamin-hooks-civil-rights-renaissance-man

Joe Dycus, Charlie Black

and countless others fabricated this for gain on The HOOK.

Get real!

I use my real name! Damit! Given to me by my Father and Mother! Hawes can check with Mr. Grisham, these are murder cases and no one snickers at prison.

The Hook just did more for civics in the real world than most REAL Newspapers could dare to accomplish

Now, this is real. You question me, you question these fine men!

Read the "Last Juror" by Grisham you will see how The HOOK is important.

I love this country and the process!

Have at it, Hugeley did it! I said 30, everything else you can shoot the messenger people! Payne was in the 60's, A sitting Deputy Sheriff in Memphis was conflicted of murder in Memphis Tennessee this Century!

I have probably interviewed more jury members after cases than any paid professional that is alive today!

I do NOT get paid!

Grisham is relevant because he knows each of these men! We use to see him on various court room steps in Memphis and Southaven. We went to the same lakes, observed what he so eloquently rights about with composites.

I have been to baseball games when he played not knowing who he was.

Your proud to have him, go to Oxford or anyplace in Southwest Tennessee or Northern Mississippi when he is in town.

And, we know about the last years of William Faulkner as well as his best!

i could do without the wedding advertisements blinking constantly at the edge of this new page. hello!

Before I set foot onto Grounds I had never been drunk before in my life.

That first weekend...embarking on Rugby Rd and eventually Phi Kapp and ZBT...I felt the effect of alcohol for the first time on my system...what had I been missing!

The next several years of my life were marked by arrests, fights, and hospitalizations.

UVA taught me to respect and fear the cruel harsh reality of booze. Love's death is a result of a system that looks the other way at substance abuse, encourages recklessness, shields the tip top, and fosters life long addiction.

My worst memory from UVA was the story of a friend of mine that I don't doubt. She was drugged and raped at a frat, reported the crime to UVA and never sought justice. For every beautiful dead lacrosse player like Ms. Love, there are a thousand silent tribulations forever endured by less famous girls that still feel pain.

Every college student has to dip his/her toe into the pond and experience life for the first time...I just wish alcohol hadn't been a part of it.

While I am at it! You that would attack me instead of he the truth with anonymous names and hatred for my views on Harrington PR campaign.

Think about the Love family, the Pham family:

From:http://www.vsp.state.va.us/WantedPersons.shtm
"WANTED
INFORMATION ABOUT THE MURDER OF
Trooper Johnny Rush Bowman"

NOTICE, VSP DOES USE THE WORD MURDER WHEN IT IS MURDER!

Morgan Harrington was no shinny girl!

She was 20! Ms. Love's family showed class!

Morgan Harrington's family needs to phase 2 of grieving!

Help the next GIRL!
Next shinny girl?

Take responsibility! Danny Boy, how long did it take for you to look at the tickets and see the parking permit! Not good PR!

How long did YOU argue with local LE that her car was not on UVA lots!

I Know and you know I know! Morgan often took the batteries out of her phone!

Sue me for slander, if you think I do not know!

The Hook, Court knew that the mere fact that a LAX team member was involved in the reporting of lost and found would cause problems. She and Hawes acted professionally.

This is so important, for thee Love family!

The Hook I assume had the poster of the 4 year old rapist!
We had it, everyone knew that it would be irresponsible to associate it with Pham!

VSP does not police the real press and could never have predicted that a media Wh_re that tried to gain favor with the other Media W_ores would post any thing that not was official.

Point is! The HOOK , I know! Used constraint over headlines three times!

C'ville has one of the best newspapers in this country and believe me I have been called out by all of the staff! I am not kissing anyone's ass!

I have spoken to Hawes and Court and they set me in my place, but I held my own!

There will never be a murder conviction of anyone of the shinny girl! Bank on it!

Homicide maybe!

Learn from it! up to 16 is a girl! Go to a University that your father teaches at, and age 20 your treated as shinny girl not a woman! This is what happens!

Ms Love was no Harrington! She was in her bed!

D. Harrington chose PR, ot it on the cheap!

He confused the various departments and I have his contradictions with Gil as it relates to Sara and Amy!

Dan is a coward!

That is my opinion!

It was not I that connected the two.

But, it is the elephant in the room! Frankly I don't give a damn!

I'll say it!

Cowards deserve what they get! Their families do not! Thus, they are cowards!

As Amanda says! Give em something to talk about. George will be gone for a while! Let the Next girl not be raised like Morgan and that works!

Michael Sutton: this was about Yeardley Love, not Morgan Harrington. Do you have to make everything about your anger with the Harrington family? Why don't you show some class. Stop bringing up the Harringtons everywhere. And for heaven's sake, man, it's SHINY, not shinny. Spell checker or not, you can't mistype that mistake the forty times you've said it on various sites. Get a dictionary, man!

I went to college in the 80's and we too did our share of drinking, especially since at the time you could buy beer at 18. Even in high school, we were drinking. And now, as a parent of a high schooler...kids are getting in trouble for wrecking cars due to drunk driving...and you see them out and about the next week like nothing happened. I've already told my soon to be driver there is going to be NO long list of tickets and brushes with the law. One ticket and the court gets his license...yes, I can do that and they will keep it til he is 18.

But part of me wonders if I should expose him to alchohol before he goes off to college and demonstrate moderation. And control...and less anger. We've written off and on about the father....George's father, drinking right along with him. And it wasn't until George spilt the wine at the restaurant that dear ol' dad told him to stop drinking. Others have said before that the rage in George was directed at dad and taken out on Yeardley. And someone upthread said Marta was furious because George IV could have stopped him.

It's been commented on time and time again about why so many are interested in this case. It keeps hitting home to me because of the tragedy...the fact that Yeardley wouldn't have died if one of many people, including Yeardly herself, had done one thing differently.

Sutton you were fine until you started talking about the Harrington's. Calling Dan Harrington a coward is absolutely the dumbest thing anyone could ever state. You have no idea what this man has done. You have no idea what this family has done to help others when it comes to losing loved ones to murder. Yes I said it. MURDER. Yeah, yeah I know you come on here acting like you know so much about this case but yet you don't know half of what you think. You have heard nothing but rumors just like the rest of us. Only LE knows the facts that really make a difference and I know sure as hell they didn't tell you what they were. So please post freely, great country we have that people like you can make a comment but can't back it up in person. Coward??? Not hardly. You on the other hand!!!!!!

@Michael Sutton -- REMORSE? Only remorse Huguely showed was crying when they played the video of his interview with police. He was sorry he got caught, NOT sorry he killed her. It's all about HIM, what HE wants and always has been.

Huguely and his parents are HORRIBLE, entitled people of privilege who are now entitled to all the wrath the world can bestow on them.

Can't wait for the wrongful death suits . . . Murderers, BAD parents, indifferent coaches, etc. need to pay a price -- emotionally and financially. They need to be held ACCOUNTABLE!

@Betty - of course Huguley showed remorse. He didn't cry when the verdict was read, he cried when he heard Love's mother and sister speak at the impact statement. Just because he killed someone doesn't mean he has no feelings. People are not so simple as that and to paint someone as devoid of any human feelings based on one act is just superficial. And Huguley's mother seems like a very nice person, who expressed early on her condolences to the Love family for what happened. I think it's best to refrain from making slanderous statements about people that are not based on any real knowledge.

In plain speak - translate for me what the heck sutton is tallking about?
Thoughtful - Thank you. I think that the case hits home to many because it could happen to anyone.

@Smile on your brother - thanks for appreciating my perspective. Because of what you expressed, I would like to post this, which I posted on another story which is not very active right now, but it fits in nicely with what you said:

The phrase "There but for the grace of God go I" has occured to me many times in this trial. We should be careful about throwing stones, because we may find ourselves in a position one day where we are judged severely. For example, a child is unattended for a few minutes and falls and hits its head, the parents take the child to the ER and have their child taken from them and are charged with child abuse (happened to friends of mine). In the UK a house catches fire and in her confusion the mother runs out the door, it locks behind her and her children are trapped inside, die in the fire, and she is charged with the murder of her own children. A woman is driving a car at 80mph while talking on her cell phone and hits the car in front, gets out and screams "I was on the phone! I was on the phone!" Both passengers in the car she hits are killed, the judge tells her she has taken the life of two people, and she is sentenced to 20 years in prison. In Australia a older man tells a younger man that he is breaking water regulations by using a hose, an altercation breaks out, the older man dies of heart failure and the younger man is charged with murder, crying in court as he is charged. While many here may think that they would not do what Huguley did, life can throw on us the most awful circumstances due to oversight or carelessness. Perhaps we should then not be so ready to judge others or delight in their punishment. If we do so, we cannot call ourselves human beings, for we are no better than a pack of vicious animals

Shay --

Yes, you should educate your children about drinking before sending them into an environment where they will have the opportunity to drink unsupervised. The other option is for your children to learn about alcohol from their fellow college students, standing around a keg at some frat party.

-- B

Betty- Wow. Your anger and mean spirit is really sad and you must surely bring about a lot of negative karma for yourself on a regular basis. I pity you.

You said: "Only remorse Huguely showed was crying when they played the video of his interview with police. He was sorry he got caught, NOT sorry he killed her. It's all about HIM, what HE wants and always has been."

How do you know that he is not devastated about her loss? I would be shocked if he wasn't. Of course he is sorry for himself that he is in this spot he is now in, but I don't think for one second he is not remorseful, does not think about it nearly every moment of every day and sheds tears at the loss of his dear friend and feels a cavernous pit of pain that hurts him to the very core. I doubt very seriously it is all about him in his mind as you knowingly opine. I bet he is absolutely devastated about what he did. And as the jury even agreed, he did not set out to kill her and didn't know she was dead when he was taken in the next morning. He is human. He had a relationship with her family as well, I bet he is mortified and has a pain in his body and conscience that most of us will never ever be able to imagine what it could feel like. He made a terrible mistake. He did not seek help for his very sick problem. He is paying the price and he knows he did wrong. I assume you are just perfect in every way.

You said: "Huguely and his parents are HORRIBLE, entitled people of privilege who are now entitled to all the wrath the world can bestow on them."

What a nasty, mean, unfounded comment.

You said: "Can't wait for the wrongful death suits"

Uhhh... and why is that?

Seek anger management or if you are not a Christian, Buddhist, Jew or any other religion- go check in with one to learn about some positive ways to live--or just get a good book about being a good person-- learn a bit about love, forgiveness, respect, kindness.

I hope no one in your family or group of friends ever makes a terrible mistake and you have to change how you look at things. Bah humbug calling Marta Murphy, of anyone, a horrible person. You don't know what went on in their family. You don't know her.

It's worrisome to have someone like YOU on the streets.

Well said Janis.

Sorry Janis, you give the Hugelys way too much credit for any remorse they might feel towards what has happened. Actions speak louder than words and dear old dad wasn't even present during sentencing. They might be human beings but they represent the bottom of the gene pool, hopefully Georgie will be unable to inflict his on the pool before he crooks.

Perspective: For all you know, Mr. Huguely IV was physically unable to come. He likely knows the error of his ways too and feels a pit maybe even deeper than his son's. I am only giving them "credit" for being human.

If they were Charles Manson's who emitted delusional pycho-babble and professed that such a killing was ok, then I would agree with you that they were the bottom of the gene pool. These people were troubled and did not seek help when they had brains enough to do so. THAT was their greatest mistake leading up to the big mistake.

Take the time to help people who you see that need help.

Perspective do you know the family personally? I'm guessing you don't. We have no idea how they are feeling, but I think its safe to assume they aren't sitting around regaling the fact that their child killed someone.

@Janis - thank you for your post. It shows a willingness to look beyond the surface and understand people in their complexity, rather than just seeing them as an evil cardboard cut out. It astounds me that so many people are unable to understand that Huguely and his family feel remorse over this. They knew Love quite well of course, as Huguely's mother, Marta said in her letter in 2010, and they were upset by her loss. Who wouldn't be? The way some people on here talk, it's as though any person who did anything wrong has no feelings and feels no remorse. Lack of remorse by the way, is an extremely rare state in a human being, as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual tells us, it is a big part of what makes a sociopath (formerly called psychopath) what they are.
@Perspective - you, as well as the rest of us, have no idea why GHIV was not present at the verdict and sentencing. He could have been sick for all any of us know, but since we do not knows it is better not to speculate.

The anger exhibited by GH on May 2, 2010 was unjustified.

The anger felt by those as a result of his actions is within the realm of reasonable reactions to the fact that he beat a girl so badly she died. Some people may not be as angry, but you can certainly understand the feelings of others, can you not?

I just don't understand why people feel the need to edit other people's feelings.

All we know about GH is what we are fed by the media. If you have ever been in the media for any reason at all, you know that only part of the story is told.

No one on here knows exactly how he feels. We all can only imagine.

If I were in his shoes when I was that age, I certainly would know that the angry reactions by some come with the territory of murder.

I would be astounded to have women patting me on the shoulder looking past it all so quickly.

UGH! People, two people are DEAD. Think about it?
GH is in living hell. He's not thinking about getting "out". He has to live with the thought of YL every single day. I wish some of you get over bashing him and his family. You can't cry over spilled milk. What's done is done. Let it be a lesson for everyone that you need to be in tune with your children. When you see red flags, react to them. Not ignore them.

Waiting and waiting: "I would be astounded to have women patting me on the shoulder looking past it all so quickly".
WTF? How can anyone look past at anything involving this trial? Besides, what are you wanting and waiting for?

zombie hands - I was responding to the irony that some people on here seem to be pouncing all over others who may have a differing point of view than them about this mess, and yet at the same time they seem to minimize what GH has done... all without having access to all the facts.

I am waiting and waiting for a YMCA to be built in C-ville.

Why do you have zombie hands?

Sutton: you want ppl to think you are a lawyer, that you are somehow in the "inner circle" of media/and/John Grisham/ LE etc.... It's against the law to impersonate a lawyer btw. So are you an attorney Sutton or not? I would guess you do free psuedo paralegal work for your dad back in the day. You behave as if you want ppl to believe you do PI work or are in on that as well. You spout absurdities about the Harringtons that you would like ppl to believe are factual when they are really just your paranoid delusions/ideas. You don't know the Harringtons nor Grishom, nor LE, and you probably don't know anyone at The Hook either but b/c you've emailed w/your constant conspiracy theories and whining about who has 'done you wrong' here, you want us to think you do. If you knew them you wouldn't have to kiss their fannies. You are too lazy to spell check, you write as if you are going off the deep end in some form or fashion, depending on the hour of the day. It's clear you are possibly related to a lawyer or two (or know one) and b/c of this (and your desire to have ppl think you are somebody) you have confused who actually did the studying and the work to earn a JD, w/your own silly self. At the least lawyers know how to spell check and form cohesive sentences. BTW, your links say nothing, have nothing to do w/anything relevant. Drop the act and simply be a commenter here and stop trying to pathetically show off, it's old and tired.

@Waiting and Waiting - I think you are confusing the frustration that some of us are feeling about the tendency of some to paint a superficial portrait of someone as evil incarnate, as overlooking or minimizing his actions. It's not that we overlook what he has done, or minimize it. It's just that judgment has been passed by the judicial system and Huguely will serve his sentence accordingly. Justice has been carried out and hateful rants won't really help things - they won't being back Love and they won't speed up Huguley's rehabilitation. Do we really want people to remain criminals forever, just so we can enjoy the self-righteous delight of condemning them eternally for their mistakes? I for one am concerned that in order to prevent this kind of behavior it's causes need to be understood more deeply. Superficial assessments and hateful attacks don't deepen our understanding or make the world a better place. If we want to reduce violence on the physical level, it first has to be reduced on the level of thoughts and words.

@Janis, what do you know about the Landon culture of privilege? Talk to people up that way and see if the Landon bunch are out feeding the homeless and taking in stray kittens. They'd smush you like a bug if it suited them.

And yes I am angry that Yeardley was MURDERED -- very angry. (I had a "run in" with a student-athlete in college, so I know what they're capable of.) She was in her locked bedroom, asleep, minding her own business when Huguely busted in, beat her and KILLED her. He may have been drunk, but he was there with the intent to kill -- if he couldn't have her on HIS own terms, no one would. How dare she defy him! After all, he was entitled wasn't he?

What he IS entitled to is life in prison. 26 years is not enough.

There is no forgiveness for a man who kills a defenseless, sleeping woman. None whatsoever!

Betty said "There is no forgiveness for a man who kills a defenseless, sleeping woman. None whatsoever!"

So you believe in eternal damnation? That's what it sounds like. Many of the scriptures of the world's religions will not agree with you on this point. Why would you not want Huguley to be redeemed for his crime? Do you want him to remain like this forever and commit violence against others? Or would you rather he feel remorse, serve out his sentence and be rehabilitated and ultimately forgiven? Surely the latter is better for us a society.

Mr H may, that is may, feel some remorse for beating up and killing someone he knew. But given his past behavior and the shear lack of respect shown for all those around him I can only conclude that he he feels a great deal more remorse for himself and the world he finds himself in now. The extreme result of a dysfunctional family.

Well said, Thoughtful.

Betty- actually, surprising as it may be to you, I am quite familiar with the Landon scene. I come from a similar scene and guess what?... There is more philanthropy where I am than you can imagine. This year alone, I, personally, have created a program that has transformed the lives of many in my community for the better. No one's smushing me like a bug. Quit the "entitlement" brigade.

Thanks Janis. I commend you for your efforts.

waiting and waiting...
I have skinny hands...

I am a moderate, social drinker and in college I did drink quite heavily at times. I can say without a doubt that there is not enough liquor in the world that I could drink and that would cause me to beat, bludgeon or suffocate someone to death whatsoever. Even if I were in an alcoholic blackout, and I did have a few back in the day, murdering someone is not in my repertoire of behaviors, ever. Wouldn't even enter my head.
The "Huge" was showing signs of established escalating violence, particularly towards authority and women for years. Seems the brute had major issues with both parents, and zero respect for the law. Wonder where The Huge got this sense of entitlement and arrogance? And a father who partied with him and his peers, behaving like a ridiculous schoolboy himself. Makes one wonder who was parenting the Huguely kids?

Thoughtful: "If we want to reduce violence on the physical level, it first has to be reduced on the level of thoughts and words."

While that sounds all well and good, and looks great on paper, I have a feeling GH went off because he did not have enough venues for expressing his anger. Thoughts and words are actually a great place to express anger instead of through physical means.

And while I agree with your views most of the time, I don't understand why you are so quick to show compassion toward GH, but toward posters with anger about what he did you are showing no compassion at all. We all here come from different places emotionally and so it's understandable that people will respond differently.

But for you to act like someone has issues because they are angry at the person that beat a woman death....
well, they are allowed to be angry...that's not illegal and you are not the thought police.

Just saying, angry words don't solve the problem. Yes, people are allowed to be angry, I am just not sure how it helps. And by your same argument, I am allowed to express compassion. As you say, we all come from different places emotionally. Yes, I feel compassion for GH. My own father drunk driving killed a young woman and it didn't stop him from drinking. The charges were dismissed and he didn't do any time for it - he got off the hook. GH on the other hand is paying for his deed. Perhaps if someone had really understood my father and his problem he could have overcome it. But no one did. My compassion for GH is directed at his rehabilitation which will make him a better member of society, and we all benefit by that.

Waiting and waiting- I think one main thing that Thoughtful is trying to express, and I agree with him/her is that the world would be a better place if there was less anger, more understanding and more efforts to help those who have gone awry. To wish so much evil doesn't really help anything, but I don't think anyone is trying to be "thought police", just offering ideas that might be healthier ways of living. I'm always so amazed when I see interviews of murder victims parents or family members who have "forgiven" the murderer. Wow. How truly amazing and I don't know if I could ever do it really. But I venture to guess that those people are a lot more freed as they don't live their lives burdened with anger and evil thoughts. For me in this case- I am not a family member of a victim but as both sides are humans, I feel compassion for everyone involved and am sick that ghvs anger did not get under control. Back to my main point of all--- jump in when u see someone going off kilter as such. People can turn around.

W & W - "I am waiting and waiting for a YMCA to be built in C-ville. "

Bwah!

I think the extremes here are pretty much how it was on the jury...some feeling redemption is a possibility, others feeling GHV should be locked away forever. The result was somewhere in between, a compromise.

No one should be beat up here for feeling one way or another. I know my personal views vary from day to day and usually land somewhere in the middle, accepting the recommended sentence as just.

What will cause an uproar, I believe, will be if Judge Hogshire reduces the sentence to a 'recommended' time, which I believe I heard was 19 years and throw out the sentence on the robbery.

Posted this on the latest thread, but since this one is more active, I'll post it here, too. A good commentary on the Love/Huguely tragedy:

http://wnst.net/wordpress/blog/2012/02/24/friday-mud-asks-how-can-we-mak...

Shay -- from the judge's conduct to date in this case, I don't see him reducing the sentence. He has telegraphed so far he wants this stink of a case off his desk and out of his courthouse ASAP.

Some food for thought, though. If the judge just adopts the recommendation and imposes the 26 year sentence, I do not believe the judicial system retains any control over Huguely once his sentence is served. No probation officer check-ins, etc. If the judge suspends some portion of the sentence, he can impose conditions on Huguely's behavior for the time period suspended -- such as no drugs/alcohol, with periodic checks, etc. For those concerned Huguely is sure to do harm again, this would be at least some insurance against that. It is possible there is some control after release for the period of any "good behavior" time earned. Someone better versed in the intricacies of VA Dept. of Corrections regulations might want to weigh in on that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/george-huguely-w...

See the above link. Also, in this am's Baltimore Sun, it is revealed that one of the jurors has had some experience with alcoholism and that's what helped come up with the 26 year sentence- the implication is that they believed that that's how long it would take for GH5 to grow out of the alcohol problem rather than how long they felt he needed to "pay" for what he did.

Really?? Seems sort of random. I have had friends who find they have an alcohol problem, head to AA and then after weeks or months haven't had a drink in 20 years. Others have been in and out of rehab a time or two before they get better. How does this person know that this is the right amount of time for GH5?

A Recovering Attorney - Thank you for your comments on the jurors and their quick willingness to comment. They (imo) are looking for the 15 mins. of fame we are all told we get in life. I can't imagine going through each piece of evidence, making a decision on his guilt and to what degree, then heading out to the nearest news agency and blabbing everything that happened in deliberations. With four (did I read that right) of the jurors on the payroll at UVa, you would think they would have had better sense. One that had experience with alcholics?? Grow out of alcholism? Not happening...if he is an alcoholic then he will ALWAYS be an alcohlic (recovering maybe). Can't wait until we get to the appeal portion...it ought to be more fun than the trial was. Prayers to BOTH families as the cliche' states "it ain't over til the fat lady sings"....They still have a very long road ahead of them.

I also thought 26 years seemed like a long time to get over a drinking problem. I did notice that 25 years for the murder is not far off the midpoint of 5-40 years - that is 22.5 years. I wonder if public reactions weighed on their minds and if for that reason they were reluctant to give less. After all there are people on here who think 26 years isn't enough. Personally I think 26 years is fair. Conversely I thought the 25 years that Amanda Knox got wasn't enough, but that's because she displayed no remorse whatsoever and denied any wrongdoing. In Italy, admission of guilt will get you a lesser sentence because it's understood that owning up to your guilt makes all the difference in the world. That is why my attitude to Huguely is much different to my attitude to Knox. He realizes he did wrong - Knox does not.

Regarding the jurors' opinions on Georgie getting over his alcoholism and being "safe" to roam the streets again......dang, just wish they'd keep their mouths shut! It's not about rehab-ing Georgie, it's about Yeardley. It's not their job to speculate upon how an alcoholic recovers.
Everyone knows Georgie and family, friends, Yeardley knew he had a problem. He STATED as much in that email to Yardley after attempting to murder her the first time, that alcohol was messing him up. He CHOSE NOT to get help. Who cares if he was in denial so typical of alkies? Heck, we're ALL in denial about something, but it's no excuse. Adults are adults b/c they take responsibility for themselves, if not they must live with the consequences period! It was not up to anyone but Georgie to take the bull by the horns and man up and deal. He did not. That he did not, and ended up murdering a beautiful, healthy, innocent, young woman who was asleep in her own bed, should have resulted in----if not 1st degree (as he'd left emails saying he should have killed her, he'd brutally attacked a sleeping innocent man, he'd threaten to kill some of the Lexington PD, and he'd strangled Yeardley to the degree another man had to break it up, so what were they waiting for? A spontaneous recovery, a miracle???), but at least 2nd w/40 years at the minimum.
It's just too infuriating to hear the jurors speaking, how they were concerned with when Georgie would be out on the street! Just so much wrong, self important, misguided thinking. And that they discuss this so narcissistically makes it that much more obscene. Who cares how it affected them? Yeardley was and should have been at the foremost of all of their minds, nothing else besides her and the facts of the crime.

Louise - I think from the juror's point of view deciding on a sentence meant deciding how long Huguley would need to be rehabilitated so they could decide when it would be safe to let him back into society again - this part is not about him it's about his impact on society. In considering that they had to take into account his drinking problem which played a major part in the violent behavior that caused Love's death. Deciding on a sentence is a huge burden and as non-legal professionals, one that they were not trained for. In fact I was surprised that the sentencing was up to the jury and thought a judge would be much more qualified for that task. I think they just did the best they could and I think they did a good job especially when you compare it with a case like the Alston case where the jury gave him 3 years for murdering a man by stabbing him 18 times.

Thoughtful, many thxs for your input, but I respectfully see this differently. I don't think it's up to the jury to decide rehabilitation issue or possible outcomes. I just don't think jury's are in the business of associating the person they have deliberated upon with their past trauma or issues, past or present. IMOO. George's addiction problem is his and how he deals or doesn't, is up to him. He will have plenty of opportunities in prison to buy/use bootlegged drugs/cigs/alcohol as some convicts just simply become better criminals in prison, while others find God or do learn their lessons. I just don't think the jury is charged with trying to figure out what George will or will not do.

I, of course, defer to those people who know for a fact what it is a jury is charged with and what they are to do. This is the first time I've heard jury members speak up about thinking they were responsible for attempting to predict the outcome for a person they've just convicted of a crime. It strikes me as inappropriate and unreasonable. I don't believe seasoned professionals could accurately attempt to access George's future regarding his alcohol abuse. In fact no professional in the realm of addiction, spoke about George, his alcohol use and abuse, and if he was indeed an alcoholic.

As to George and his use of alcohol as it relates to the violence in this case, I'm not sure that alcohol did play a foundational part in his violent acts. I think it perhaps relaxed his inhibitions to act upon being violent, but I feel it is more likely that George had deeply buried, rising to the surface, anger management issues, that were becoming increasingly desperate and pronounced, and that alcohol was simply more of an "excuse" for him and his murderous impulses. Clearly this dude was moving in the direction of acting upon his rage, it was all escalating and people saw this and did nothing. It's hard to watch this trial and see that the jury could or would not address this as opposed to the alcohol aspect. He was a ticking time bomb. Alcohol became something he could hide behind and not take full responsibility for his behaviors. After all, he wrote Yeardley and told her alcohol was the reason for his attempt to strangle her. If someone really meant this, really believed this, and was disturbed by this, they would have addressed it instead of moving forward doing all the same things in the same way.

Think about it: if you had been found trying to strangle a loved one and was stopped by someone, and it was later pointed out to you, and you admitted it was problematic, wouldn't you have done something to insure you never did it again? And in spite of all of this he continued and wrote Yeardley an email stating he wanted to KILL her!!! He clearly did not take himself seriously when he tried to strangle her. He had threatened the Lexington officers with death! This was a homicidal man increasing his threats and behaviors and knew it, had time to reverse it, get help, at the least modify the drinking. Isn't this what it means to be an adult instead of a child? George would not take an iota of responsibility for much of anything: alcohol, behaviors, language, emails, being violent, stealing things, beating the s*** out of someone he said he loved, to the point of severe injury and death, staying true to what he said and wrote. He left Yeardley that night saying she was "flopping around on the bed like a fish". He wasn't THAT drunk, or that blacked out. He just chose to steal her laptop and NOT call for help for her. He's no alcoholic, he's a common, low class, liar, thief, and murderer, and will hide behind whatever he needs to in order not to be held accountable for anything. His weak, immoral character, or lack of one, was not addressed by the jury, and imo, if anything should have been, it would have been this aspect of him.

Louise, thank you! So well said!

You are still whining about Huguely? He was convicted of murder, he will likely be sentenced to the full time recommended. Move on.

DoW, and you, sir, are still whining about people whining about Huguely.

Thoughtful-

I'm confused...why do you keep bringing the Amanda Knox case up? Seems to me it's apples and oranges, esp as it was found that she didn't do it. Even if she did, those were totally different variables (such as circumstances, players, country, judicial system, jury, etc., etc.). I just don't see how it's relevant.

Al - I am bringing up the Knox case because I followed it quite closely and was struck by some of the similarities and differences. You may think that it is apples and oranges and that it is not relevant, but that is just your opinion. I see some core similarities - a white American college kid from a middle class background charged with murder. That doesn't happen every day. The cases don't have to be identical in order for there to be relevance. Any good scholar will tell you that. For me it is relevant because what struck me was the differences in their responses because Huguley has shown remorse, whereas Knox never did. I think remorse is a key issue in cases like this and that for me is the relevant aspect. . And FYI, the prosecution has launched an appeal against her overturned conviction, which the victim's parents are fully supporting. It has been argued that the judge who overturned the conviction (who is different to the judge of the original trial) took into account only defence's evidence and that there are gross inconsistencies in the method by which he arrived at his decision. Even he said that the decision was only what could be proved in a court and that we would probably never know what happened that night. Basically the the reliability of the DNA evidence was questioned, but there is still a lot of evidence against her.

Hey Darnit, thanks for the compliment. It's nice to know it mattered to someone. I am beside myself with this loss of this young woman, and the types of predator-coward-bullies that attach themselves to the innocence and naivete of women like Yeardley. This is NOT a criticism of her either. It is sad that we now desire people to be cynical and calculating when meeting others, sizing others up and now must be held to "evaluating" anothers' mental health before you spend more than an hour or so with them. We are asking our young people to cater to the abusive and unstable.

I remember when I was growing up, a teen in the late 60's. I heard a TV commercial about car thefts. It was saying that if the owner of a stolen car had left the keys in the ignition, it was the (owners) fault the car got stolen. This was a huge disconnect for me as I had grown up in a world where doors remained unlocked, not only all day but night. Windows left open all the time. We kids sat in the car with windows rolled down in hot summers waiting for Mom to get her hair done or something really ridiculously long. When someone committed a crime it was clearly their fault. Period. This new paradigm shift for me signified a very confusing time for me. For suddenly I had new found responsibilities placed on me. I had to think for the criminal, to discern the abusers mind and intentions and held responsible for this. I think our psychological processes began to double back then for us and it has only escalated.

George is a simple brute, a thug, a murderer hiding behind a boy's face and Daddy's money. A psychopath most likely. And here we speak of his so called addictions. So what if he was an alcoholic. Most alcoholics never beat or kill others. To focus on his addiction is to miss the point and divest Georgie from being identified for who he is. I do believe a juror stated that he felt devastated-or some such word, for George. OMG. This makes me physically ill. What trance, what world is this person living in anyway?

But thanks again Darnit for getting where I was coming from here.

Pink Panther February 25th, 2012 | 8:05am

I do know what he has done and he knows it!
All of the PR in the world will never find the truth!

He knows God damn well I know!

It is as if Lucifer wants to lead PETA!

Educate: Art and reality,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGH4p4z4s5A

then link more and more before The Raven there was in written words such things that others avoid!

Sutton, I will say this one more time potty mouth. You do not have a CLUE as to what you are talking about. First of all this article has nothing to do about the Harrington case but yet you drag their name over to the comment section. You also do NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT know anything about the case so quit telling the people you do. Just like the rest of us all you have heard are nothing more than rumors from articles. LE are the only ones that have information that's critical to this case and I know they never shared that with you. I believe in free speech but your routine has gotten boring. Not sure why you haven't been banned from this site. Maybe it's because of your humor. You offer nothing of substance that's for sure. Now please go wash your mouth out with soap for the cursing.

Thoughtful-

The tone of your message suggests you do not feel that folks are entitled a differing opinion, no matter what you say. My opinion remains that the cases are too dissimilar to draw parallels or relevance. They are not both from similar backgrounds, and one has clearly been established as an alcoholic/volatile male w/ a previous history- that's a big difference. The bigger difference is indeed the actual variables- the particulars/circumstances of the crime, the players, the country in which committed, the judicial system, etc. In addition to that it is highly contestable as to the origin of the emotions GH displayed- what some have interpreted as remorse for his victim. Furthermore and based on what we have seen this far, Knox was/is innocent of the actual murder, which would explain her lack of remorse. So I still think it's apples and oranges, and if you disagree that's fine but then don't say folks are entitled to differing opinions and include edge in your responses.

Al - Of course I believe that people are entitled to their opinions and I was trying to be respectful in my response to your comment. I had never addressed you before and our exchange started when you went on the attack by saying that my opinion was irrelevant. I was simply trying to defend my own position and state that I had a right to one since you clearly thought I was wrong. You are writing in a way to suggest that others have no right to an opinion (in this case me) all the while suggesting that this is what I am doing. If you attack people don't be surprised when they get defensive. A more conciliatory tone will get you different results.

Thoughtful-

Here you go, this is what I had written:

"I'm confused...why do you keep bringing the Amanda Knox case up? Seems to me it's apples and oranges, esp as it was found that she didn't do it. Even if she did, those were totally different variables (such as circumstances, players, country, judicial system, jury, etc., etc.). I just don't see how it's relevant."

As you can see there was nothing attacking (as twice you said I was), and I certainly did not say your opinion is irrelevant (as it is very different to say that I do not see how the Knox case is relevant to the GH case.) So anyway, as you can see in your previous post, the tone is yours. My vote is No Matter- folks come here to see intelligent input on the case at hand, and this thread is for all intents and purposes quite dead (as folks will now latch onto the next Hook GH headline, already started.)

Thoughtful. Maybe it would be more accurate to say you bring up Knox's case simply because you know what you know about it and feel like it. But to think that her case is some parallel to GHV is absurd. My opinion yes and it is objectively tangential and distracting.
Knox never admitted anything. GHV did.
Knox is a woman. GHV, a man and was drinking that night and had a history of escalating violence verbally and physically. Knox had no similar history.
If Knox did it, she had her boyfriend participate too most likely. GHV acted alone. One victim had her throat slashed and was definitively murdered. Yeardley was abandoned severely injured and compromised, left to die, but GHV may or may not have known this.
Remorse? Really? Knox never confessed to anything. GHV did. GHV expressing remorse? Where did you read this? Please link. Or are you simply assuming he was remorseful versus some behaviors or mumblings or words to manipulate others to think he was remorseful. Remorseful for GHV would have been to go immediately to AA when he admitted he had an alcohol problem or do rehab like normal adults do when they admit they have an issue with addiction and after they could have potentially killed someone they loved in an alcoholic blackout. Remorse is not emailing your girlfriend saying he should have killed her for dating another. Remorse is not saying you love your girlfriend as you are on your way to "speak" *kill* her and calling 3 other girls to see if they are home wanting company.
These two cases are so different I have a hard time why you are even bringing it up and diluting the focus on the victim at hand here. Knox had her supporters and her day, the victim of that case may never receive full justice. This is a place for Yeardley and her supporters wanting her to receive her justice, and to support and grieve for her. GHV got off light and is lucky, he will have a life after prison.

How many people get drunk and threaten to kill? George did. How many people get drunk and overpower their girlfriend and potentially could have strangled her and broken her neck? To the extent someone had to break it up and save her.She could have died that night.
George was a bomb about to blow. For months. People witnessed this. He was arrested for it. That the jury did not seem to connect all these incidents and add it all up, to discuss his alcohol issues over his violence and anger issues, and how best he needs the time to 'recover' from alcohol to return to society, imo, is a form of today's current psychobabble and narcissism.

These jurors seem to think they are the arbiters of not justice for Yeardley, but for George. What makes them think they know what George "needs"? Or how best his "return" to society should be and what this requires. My God, to do this, there would need to be at the least, a full psychiatrist work up. George could be a garden variety psychopath who's MO is to get everyone else to mobilize around him and dictate his needs to others, over the victim's and her family's needs.

As this case is closing and now sitting with the verdict, I am struck by the 2 big cases within the last several months: Casey Anthony and George. Where both juries seemed to consider the perpetrator's needs and emotional demands, and went, imo, way beyond the realm of what is reasonable regarding the perpetrators possible thinking processes and motivations before, during, after, the act of murder. To the degree, to me, that the actual acts and behaviors get diminished and the real life "dots" logically connecting the facts to the crime seem to get overlooked. Too much pondering on being inside the perps' brains and thinking for them. Just IMOO and perceptions, and I realize that I was not there and looking at the evidence. Nonetheless, when jurists speak up and I hear their logic and conclusions, I am not impressed nor hopeful.

Al and Ryder- I had no idea that bringing up the Knox case would create such a disturbance. I thought it was an interesting comparison, that is all. It's no big deal for me really.

Ryder said "This is a place for Yeardley and her supporters wanting her to receive her justice, and to support and grieve for her". I think what you are talking about sounds more like a website dedicated to the memory of Love. If that is what you desire, and you feel strongly about it, you could set up a website that is dedicated to that purpose. There are many such websites dedicated to murder victims.

Well said, Louise. ITA.

Michael Sutton: Nowhere in this article is Morgan Harrington mentioned. YOU ARE OFF TOPIC. Why must you speak on the Harringtons on any topic that comes up. "As if Lucifer wants to lead PETA."??? I have a suggestion: take your sour grapes elsewhere, they aren't wanted here, EITHER.

Louise - you absolutely ROCK with logic.
I love your point about the shift in our paradigms of thinking about crime - to where now we almost blame victims for what happens. So true - and you are absolutely right about how it shifts the blame off of individual criminals.

And people try to get in the heads of these criminals and apply their own thought patterns...and it's just insane. Criminals get where they get because they don't follow the same trains of thoughts as those of us who stay out of trouble.

Michael Sutton, you are crazzzzzzzzy Man, get some help asap Bud. Lucifer and PETA? My God. Do you really expect folks to know what you are even spouting off or are you trying to M********* us and just waste everyone's time and energy?

Either way, it's hostile as all get out. Me thinks you get off on high drama and messing with folks minds here. For months and maybe years you come here and dangle names and cases and Grisham et al. and think folks take you seriously. Well Bud, no one does. Not one single person thinks you are legit. If anyone does speak now or forever hold your peace. I think you are holed up in your Project 8 housing all day and night going from blog to paper to the refrigerator for more ice back to the blogs wasting time. Other's time. Get a life Dude. Lucifer and PETA.

ditto, Jimbo. Sutton is incomprehensible.

Again! Thank you Louise! Well said!!!

Many thanks guy and girls for the compliment. I am on my high horse about this case and appreciate people letting me articulate my anger and rant on and on so. I am relieved to see so many who think along the same lines. It helps to restore my faith in common sense.

My fear is really that many jurors enter the process of delivering a verdict without understanding that the verdict is not about "them" and their "feelings" as some sort of expression of them versus some sense of objective and moral, ethical truth----in the sense of delivering justice. Justice that is, for the victim and not so that they, the jury, feels "good" about themselves and the verdict they deliver to the perpetrator. Thanks though for the feedback. I enjoy participating here.

Virginia sucks...all that happens there is pretty girls die violently. time for Virginia to give up the ways of the Civil War losing Confederate ... it isn't working.

Hope someone can explain Cosmo's comment because I am totally confused.

Pink - just a yankee spoutin' at the mouth....

Pink Panther, cosmo has admitted in comments on another article on The Hook that they say these things just to provoke people. A good reason to ignore them and let them fade back under their bridge.

"A good reason to ignore them and let them fade back under their bridge."
ha - just like all the dead girls that keep showing up in your town.
keep up the great work VSP / UVA

Cosmo, can you solve any of these crimes?? I see so many other states with missing men and women that have yet to be solved.

of course i can, but i am not law enforcement for Virginia nor am i the local constituency ... it is obvious you all don't want any help and you like it just the way it is.

How would you solve it?? So you are law enforcement from another state?? I doubt very seriously you will hear anyone say they enjoy seeing missing and murdered women showing up in the state of Va but do you have any statistics showing Va is worse than others??

start with the cases you have and then we can go into statistics ...

It seems you know our cases extremely well but I am still looking for proof that our state is worse than others when solving missing and murdered victims. I am not sure there is anyway to prove that. I am still curious as to what you would like to see done differently and what exactly doesn't our LE do to solve the crimes? Are you just looking from the outside and making a judgement or do you have some sort of evidence that our LE is lacking in expertise??

i think the evidence speaks for itself

Cosmo is a Blink follower. Every fire fighter, musician and martial arts enthusiast better take cover along with any other male in North Garden, at UVA, working at a grocery store, in security or is in LE. Plus cosmo likes to stereotype. They have no desire to show that they have nothing to contribute of worth; they simply like to cast random insults and hope someone takes offense and gives them some attention so they can launch more . . . It does not matter that other states have equal or more crimes against women. Cosmo's focus is Charlottesville until something more sensational comes along. It isn't even annoying anymore.

Enlightened, thanks for explaining that. I had no idea.

y'all are real smart down there
please enlighten us to how it really is ...
is there anything more sensational than Charlottesville and all of the dead girls that you have laying around?

i can also stereotype that Enlightened hates women. but that wasn't that tough to figure out, now was it?

what's the deal, Enlightened? are you protecting your lover who also happens to be your cousin?
seems to be a lot of that going on in your area ...

just get on board and admit there is a problem with girls getting murdered and cases not getting solved in your area Charlottesville, Abelmarle, UVA. that is all anyone wants is for there to be admission that it isn't okay. but that is not what has happened. rapes and murders are getting swept under the rug. and it has been going on for a while ... very similar to the infrastructure at Penn State.

Cosmo, I am still waiting to hear what you would do differently. So far you have offered no solutions. So you are not suggesting the whole state of Va, only in the Charlottesville area??

Charlottesville is a direct reflection of the entire state. if Charlottesville is having problems, then it is rampant throughout the entire state.

I AM a woman, cosmo. Shows what you know. I rest my case. When you point fingers at everyone in an area and accuse them of being guilty of what you're focusing on, that's so wrong. You assumed I was a man. So many assumptions about the area based on slanted information that people ASSUME is correct. No is okay with anyone getting hurt or killed, cosmo. But no one is okay with blanket accusations and name calling, either. Enjoy yourself, cosmo. How many other assumptions you have made that you are radically wrong about? You'll never know, because you've never done any research for yourself. Now, I through. When you have actually come here and do any real first hand research on anything, perhaps we will consider your opinion.

UVA and VSP know the answers ... it is just interesting and disgraceful that they are protecting someone.

Ok Cosmo, now you are getting just plain silly. Are you suggesting a cover up?? I will tell you the same thing I told Sutton the other day. You do not know one single thing about any of these investigations. You have heard rumors and nothing more.

you are lying, Enlightened ... you are not a woman.
Pink Panther ... you continue to show you don't know much about anything.

i don't assume anything. i know. i have been there. i have done the research. i have seen first hand. i have been paying attention for quite some time now ... from the beginning in fact. your blind faith isn't helping you.

"When you have actually come here and do any real first hand research on anything, perhaps we will consider your opinion."
ha ... like your opinion is relevant. it is the opinions of the local congregation that continue to prevent progress in the area. suicidal sheriffs, institutional cover-ups, bullet riddled teenagers, police sex-capades, disappearing girls showing up dead, many cases unsolved ... right, i am the one being irrational and radical. come one people ... get some education with all that state and fed money.

Cosmo, again, you are basing all your opinions on rumors. Your research means nothing unless you are LE. Again, solve this case since you know so much. You don't. I am sure the commonwealth will greatly pay you for your services once you solve all the murders our state. Everything you mentioned above had nothing to do with any of the other cases. Your research is greatly flawed and means nothing. And since you continue to say down here I am assuming you live up North. What would bring you all the way to Va to do research if you were never asked to?? Give us proof.

And Cosmo one last question and I promise this is the last one. What has gotten you so interested in the murders of Va?? Is this the only state you have concentrated on or do you work on solving other cases as well?? I do wish you the best of luck in your research.

they are not rumors ... all of them are fact.
the sheriff committed suicide.
there are documents incidents regarding sex spot near AF.
the bullet riddled teen incident is fact and not rumor.
the lt. for cases stepping down is fact.
a few other girls showed up dead around the same time as others.
you guys are in severe denial.
these are not rumors. but nice try again ... stop distracting from the real issue. you need to hold your leaders accountable.

what is the latest on sean horn?

And this has something to do with all the murders and missing women you are talking about??? Holy crap. Ok folks someone can take it from here. This is just too crazy for me to make any sense out of it. Where can we read your research at??

Pink Panther ... stop complaining and get with the program.
i agree with your statement that "this is just too crazy for you to make any sense out of it." but i didn't create the situation. i am just making you and your "ignorance is bliss" crowd aware of what is going on in your surroundings. recognize.

Hey cosmo, why don’t you focus on finding, say, Jimmy Hoffa? Or how about solving some child abandonment deadbeat parent cases? Maybe you could get a picture of the Jersey Devil? Or teach us some family history? Braciole, Spumone, Phony BUHLONEY!!! Don’t look now, cosmo, but your pants are on fire. When you can cite some real sources, perhaps, just perhaps, you'll gain a smidgeon of credibility. Until then, I'll just wait for the wind to blow away the smoke you're blowing.

omg Enlightened, what are you like 90 yrs old? Jimmy Hoffa? i am focusing on real life, true problems that need to be addressed and you mock like you are the leader of some important group that determines what is socially relevant and what is not. get a grip man. are you proud that your universities and law enforcement are reactive with no results and really don't prevent bad things from occurring in your area? that is the real crime. step up and be a man and take action. find out why so many girls are murdered in your brilliant little town.

liar liar pants on fire ... great work and good response. if you aren't like 90, then you are 2.

@Enlightened - don't feed cosmo anymore, you comment went over his head and bounced around behind him. Jimmy Hoffa, Jersey Devil....that's funny!

Darnit, agreed. Zipped right over. This 'man' is out.

zip it.

Cosmo, I really do wish you the best with your research. If for some reason you can't use it to solve all the crimes maybe you can make it into a series, call it "Bad Cops Gone Wild in Va."

i bet it would get awesome ratings for sure.
good call.

it might actually solve more of these crimes. great advice PP.

Hey Cosmo, you'll become relevant, maybe, when you become a citizen here. So easy to point fingers and taunt and bully isn't it when you are so very far away and have so little going on in your country and life that you resort to these less than attractive behaviors.

Cosmo said: "there are documents incidents regarding sex spot near AF."

Here's your chance to get relevant. Challenge: Prove your statement.

@Betty's post a few days ago is atrocious. Betty, evolve. Please go seek some form of spiritual enlightenment and growth for yourself as you are a stone throwing, callous, and cruel person. Janis, your response to her was right on.

Jimbo ... i would never become a citizen there. i love my wife and my daughters and would NEVER bring them close to your totally crazy backwoods environment where girls end up dead and no one cares. but thanks again for your very eloquent and completely irrelevant advice.
nuly noted "JIMBO"

Alice ... i would if you could read.

i am very relevant

in yo face

And where, cosmo, in that article does it say the officers involved were at Anchorage? 'In yo face' doesn't apply to irrelevant information. And, since I know you're doing this to annoy, I'm done with you. Too bad we don't know what town your bridge is located in, cosmo. I'm sure people would have a field day with it.

oh sorry Alice, it must be with the dash cam video from the Eppard shooting.
i think if you look at the caption where it says "A 19-year veteran, Hopwood monitors Anchorage Farm January 26, the day Morgan Harrington's body was found."
i am not trying to annoy you Alice, but it does seem that when you all have to use your brains and actually try to see how murdered dead girls without any LEO progress would really anger people it does become "an annoyance".

How many police monitored Anchorage Farm on the 26th, cosmo????? If you had seen it on TV, you would know they were swarming all over it. It was the day the body was found. Hopwood was DOING HIS JOB. That doesn't mean the officers who were disciplied parked there, as you tried to imply. Let's see some evidence that supports your comment, "there are documents incidents regarding sex spot near AF." Relevance, you have none yet.

Cosmo, first of all we would not want the likes of you in our state. The information you posted has nothing to do with the Harrington case not does it have anything to do with this article. If some of you want to believe that go right ahead but you trying to link to the Harrington case is pure BS.

of course it does ... y'all are amazing! it happens right in front of you ... everyone sees it and knows about it. it is documented and discipline has be mandated and yet, you STILL DENY IT.
how funny and yet how tragically sad. no wonder we don't argue with the south anymore.

PP what state is that? state of denial? in less than 3yrs there have been so many high profile cases, who would want to be in your state? dead sheriffs / dead teenage girls / dead sorority girls / lives ruined / corrupt officials and law enforcement running rampant, no solutions, just problems ... don't you think it is time to stop fighting to protect this lifestyle and start getting your house in order?

"the likes of you in our state" ... who talks like that? what year is it? 1876? get an education ... pure BS is right.

Cosmo my education is fine. You on the other hand are completely full of BS. Prove your accusations. Come here and solve these crimes.

and also, who is the "we" in the "we would not want the likes of you in our state"?
like anyone cares what you want. you won't get what you want ...
it is okay to have rapists, sex offenders, murders, etc. run rampant in your area, but you don't want me ... a person who has been consistent and accurate throughout in valid and general and authentic concern (albeit abrasive and direct)?
i think this one should speak for itself ... thank you for continuing to prove my point for me.

You are a joke Cosmo.

your own people can't solve them due to the continued obstacles ... it would be a total waste of time. why don't you solve them PP? what is standing in your way? prove that your area is not a conglomerate of violent, uneducated, ignorant, incompetent, impotent, irrelevant, illogical, incestual,. archaic individuals hellbent on protecting the women haters of the area ... i date you. would love to see the push back and rejection your receive from your own people.

if anything i am The Joker ... but your sure as heck are not Batman.

your own people can't solve them due to the continued obstacles ... it would be a total waste of time. why don't you solve them PP? what is standing in your way? prove that your area is not a conglomerate of violent, uneducated, ignorant, incompetent, impotent, irrelevant, illogical, incestual,. archaic individuals hellbent on protecting the women haters of the area ... i dare you. would love to see the push back and rejection your receive from your own people.

Do not feed the troll, do not feed the troll, do not feed the troll . . . maybe then he will take his conspiracy theories back to the rest of his ilk reading "true crime" rags and watching Nancy Grace.

An Observer you are correct. I should have known better.

cue patented "don't feed the troll" response to anything you don't like about the previous poster.

totally Observer ... i should have known better too. thanks for the heads up. good advice.

"a conglomerate of violent, uneducated, ignorant, incompetent, impotent, irrelevant, illogical, incestual,. archaic individuals hellbent on protecting the women haters of the area"

Obviously a comment from someone who has never even been close to Charlottesville, a town where half the waiters downtown seem to have at least a master's degree and protests against war in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, for a "living wage," etc. are regular occurrences.

also "your own people can't solve them due to the continued obstacles." This article is about the sentencing for someone convicted of second degree murder. It must have gone right over someone's head that the sentencing in question came only after a conviction in court. Referring to Yeardly Love's death as an unsolved crime is a sign of a serious disconnection from reality.

saywha? i wouldn't be so proud of the the fact that your waiters have master's degrees, but are still waiting tables. and as far as protesting against the war in Iraq and/or Afghanistan are concerned, i don't really know what your point is there, but maybe all of those people can help prevent another girl from ending up dead in your area?

batter up ...

I can't believe you guys are still engaging cosmo....

Cosmo, Who said I was proud of anything? I was simply throwing out an anecdote or two to paint a micro-portrait of what sort of people live here. One reason that some of my friends with master's degrees still live here and work at jobs they are over-qualified for is the quality of life we have. You have obviously never been here to see any of that for yourself, not that I'm unhappy about your choice not to visit mind you.

Hook Reader is correct. Everyone knows where he is getting his info. Laughable.

of course i have been there. i have been all over the world and seen many micro and macro portraits and sample sets and economies, lifestyles, etc. don't make excuses for the sickness in your area. scary ... you don't even know why your are defending the murders of women.

someone please educate me as to where i am getting my info ... pretty please. teach me.

how many double negatives can we put in a sentence? look people ... beatniks and overqualified coffee barristas are the norm all over the united states these days. i don't know why or what the main reasons are ... is it because people tend to think they are overqualified regardless of their ACTUAL accredited education? i mean young people definitely feel like they are entitled to greatness, and/or shouldn't have to prove themselves or have any real world experience (which 9 times out of 10 beats booksmarts and degrees as far as problem determination and solution sets). or do people just not see the value of hard work and ROI as they used to (not that i blame anyone on that note either). college towns are notorious for having polar sides of the spectrum represented. rich vs. poor. educated vs. ignorant. it is just alarming that girls keep turning up dead and murdered in your area and that is all people are really seeing. yet there have been no solutions and i think the really frustrating thing to insiders and outsiders alike is that it seems as if they keep getting swept under the rug and forgotten about. why is that?

What's actually happening is that there are murders and missing people of all races, ages, sizes, etc. all over the country. There were 15,000 + murders in the US in 2009, the year Morgan Harrington was killed. There is nothing remarkable about the statistics for Virginia or for this area. http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/law_enforcement_courts_priso...
Cute white girls though make for sexy news stories and when something happens to them the people who make their living concocting ridiculous conspiracy theories to make their audiences salivate capitalize on that.

It's hard to even imagine what sort of faulty thinking causes someone to post a comment claiming that murder cases here have been "swept under the rug and forgotten about" on the website of a newspaper that has exhaustively covered our most notorious local murder/disappearances of cute white girls. Not only are they discussed locally, they are discussed nationally and internationally. This very article is about the sentencing of someone convicted of second degree murder. Case solved, punishment soon to follow.

This is about Yeardley Love and George Huguely, not Morgan Harrington and the police. You're almost as bad as Sutton, cosmo, wanting to make any comment section about Morgan Harrington and her sadly unsolved case and the police you think wronged her. Any one that says 'batter up' is here for one reason, and it is not to comment on the above article. It is to be entertained while taking your aggressions out on others safely far away from you.

Exasperated said, Feb 29, 10:03 pm: "Pink Panther, cosmo has admitted in comments on another article on The Hook that they say these things just to provoke people. A good reason to ignore them and let them fade back under their bridge."

So true, Exasperated. On to better things.

anything not to talk about other murdered people in your area. this isn't about Morgan Harrington (which obviously comes to everyone's mind and i didn't even have to bring it up). this isn't about race or socio-economics either even though many continue to try to play that card as well in order to avoid the reality. i agree that is more about the general complacency in the area and the lack of initiative on the social constituency to yield results. this is about getting results which after many years has not been accomplished and yet people continue to make excuses as to why that is okay. and it is really disturbing that because some of these girls are white, there is an uproar indicating that white people murders are okay because well they are white. there was a black woman that disappeared the same time as another girl who happened to be white and i believe she was found beheaded near railroad tracks... what is the update on THAT case gang? what kind of racist, gender bias activities are still going on in Charlottesville that the locals are fighting so hard to preserve. please enlighten me.

Cramer ... please don't preach about this being about YL and GH ... you weren't there, you didn't save her, the institution didn't save her (nor do i really believe it was within UVA power to prevent it) i would think it would really be more on friends, family and co-horts, but again i am not passing judgment and it is a terrible situation where no one wins. not the Greek System, or UVA or the Lacrosse teams or the student body or the administration ... everybody lost. i don't know if you are proactively working to prevent future incidents and tragedies from occurring and if you are then i applaud you for your efforts.

saywha? yeah the cases where the suspect is handed to you on a silver spoon platter are really hard. at least this looks like it did yield results and a case closed.

i mean golly people ... at least come at me with something like this ...
http://www.examiner.com/buzz-in-baltimore/have-you-ever-encountered-this...

Hawes, why are disruptive people allowed to do this to your forums? Are page views so valuable to you that the juvenile whims of the cosmos, Michael Suttons, and John Guilianos of the world should be allowed to drown sensible dialog about issues that matter to this community?

JennSilv - Thank you! Maybe we should email Hawes directly?

And their comments are completely off topic. Conspiracy theories and nothing more.

JennSilv, Darnit, and PP ... you guys should start a site / blog about how to have sensible dialog about issues that matter to this community. i don't understand how the rape and murder of girls doesn't fall into that category of issues that matter to the community, but it really is par for the course down there i guess given the average intelligence level the three of you are conveying? pretty sure we were on topic before PP and we are on topic now. you know what is disruptive? when a university student college girl gets raped and murdered at a concert ... or beaten to death in her dorm room. that is disruptive. get a clue.

Hawes - do you think you can remove the people here who try to form an alliance in an attempt to inhibit progress, stifle results and silence opinions other than there own (ahem - JennSilv / Arnit / PP)? it is a threatening form of bullying that i don't believe should be tolerated. it really hurts my feelings. thank you.

Cosmo, no one has a problem with you discussing the deaths of these young people. What we do have a problem with his your conspiracy theories about the young man that was shot, the sheriff that committed suicide and not to mention you really make the people in Charlottesville look like bad people. They are not. Talk about how you would like to see something changed. How would you improve it?? But instead you offer no suggestions just false claims about bad cops gone wild. You know as well as I do that you don't have any information linking bad LE to any of these crimes. That's the ONLY problem I have with your comments. I think that's fair.

i think it is fair to say that if there was no conspiracy and/or incompetence at the hands of JPJA / UVA / VSP ... arrests would be made, the case solved and justice served.

Cosmo, if this is someone who moves from place to place how do you expect the police to arrest him without more evidence? At this point, perhaps one should consider this guy moved from Fairfax to Charlottesville and then somewhere else. Perhaps this is the reason justice has not been served. Conspiracy - that's just sensationalism that supports those who spread it. Perhaps the people of Charlottesville aren't concerned because logic dictates this person moved from one place to another. It is also logical that he will strike again, somewhere new, where no one is looking for him. No one is saying, however, that JPJA has told the whole story. And, since JPJA is owned by UVA . . . But that doesn't mean everyone is covering for them. They take care of their own before anyone gets a chance to look at them.

Don't suffer fools gladly - i think you need to reread what you wrote.

Someone discussed a possibility with you and you insult, classic definition of a troll. No discussion, just insults. Sorry cosmo, you're just here to insult and annoy. Sad.

Sorry Enough insults ... i didn't insult anyone ... if you feel insulted, i am sorry you feel that way.
completely open to discussions ... just not ignorance for the sake of ignorance. Happy.

by the logic of Don't suffer fools gladly - the murdered probably isn't there anymore so forget about it. that is illogical.

now you see me, now you don't.
you can't hold me accountable if i leave.
ah yes, that makes perfect sense.
give up ... you are outnumbered.
:)

No one sees you, cosmo. Now you're talking gibberish. Sorry it's come to that. You remind me of someone else who does that. Hmmm. The similarity is uncanny. Just an observation.