Tuesday testimony: Huguely jurors get lesson in brain bleeding

Jurors became students Tuesday morning as Medical College of Virginia-based brain doctor Christine Fuller testified about the various cuts and blood she found in the brain of Yeardley Love, the UVA students whose 2010 death launched the trial of the century, a murder case against her alleged killer, George W. Huguely V.

Likening Love's injuries to those that might be sustained in an automobile accident, Dr. Fuller said that torque or sudden deceleration can cause the soft brain tissue to bang against the bony interior surfaces of the skull.

"It's this acceleration/deceleration thing," said Fuller, holding a model of a human brain on the witness stand. "This is how I explain it to my students."

Anticipating one angle of defense, prosecutor Dave Chapman asked whether such injuries– contusions and hemorrhages– might be caused from a fall.

"Usually, it has to be a fall from a height," responded Fuller, "not just a ground-level fall."

Fuller was asked whether CPR– another promised line of defense– can cause such bleeding near the brain stem.

"If you find hemorrhages in that location," said Fuller, "it's trauma– period."

The 24-year-old Huguely, charged with first-degree murder, has already admitted on tape to kicking in the door to the carpeted bedroom of the sleeping Love in order to "talk." His defense team has indicated that it plans to show that Love may have died from a fall– or from a heart arrhythmia or from positional asphyxia.

On cross-examination, defense attorney Rhonda Quagliana attempted to press Fuller to concede that a process called "reperfusion" might have been responsible for Love's death, but Fuller said that Love's brain showed no such evidence.

During her direct testimony, Dr. Fuller said that the blood that leaked into Love's brain might have caused the young woman some health problems including headaches, seizures, and even strokes.

"Unfortunately," said Fuller, "she didn't live that long."

The morning's testimony concluded with another doctor, UVA's Beatriz Lopes, telling the jury that the injuries to Love's brain swelled it with so much damaging fluid that it weighed an abnormally high 1420 grams, when the upper weight for a 22-year-old woman should be 1200 grams.

After lunch, Bill Gormley, the man who performed the autopsy and who testified the previous day, returned to the witness stand to finally render his opinion that the specific "mechanism" of death was arrhythmia, a cessation of Love's heartbeat, caused by the damage to the brain.

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When GH described YL looking or acting like a fish out of water, mightn't that have been a seizure?

Look up "coup-contra coup" brain injury and you can see what happens when the brain is slammed against the skull.

Next time I'll wear a helmet and make sure the carpet padding is extra thick before I start slamming my head against the wall and choking myself.

@Miss Information

Good question, one that the defense could try to prove. Unfortunately, the only witness that could speak to that is on trial.

JC, why isn't the prosecution bringing it up? Or will they eventually. Sounds like they could make an argument that he should have noticed something was seriously wrong if she were indeed flopping around (and didn't normally do that) and should have called for help. Or is that irrelevant to the case, because he's not on trial for failing to call for help?

I didn't listen to the interrogation tape reenactment, so don't know whether the police asked him to elaborate on that strange description. (And if they didn't...why didn't they? It sounds like something that should have been explored, even from the "what did he know, and when did he know it" angle.)

Miss Information.

I am not a lawyer, but my guess is that based off of Huguely's description no one can prove whether Love was having a seizure or not--kind of a "he said, she said" scenario with little or no facts to back it up. Did Love have a history of seizures? Honestly, I don't think we'll ever know what really happened because I'm guessing Huguely doesn't remember himself.

There has been testimony that some of her injuries are consistent with suffocation.

I haven't heard that Love had a history of seizures, although it appears to be what the defense plans to present. OTOH, there's been eye witness testimony that Huguely has put Love in a stranglehold before. Not sure the defense's explanation will jibe with any other testimony. IMO, they'll need to prove that Love was conscious and talking when Huguely left, and that she said, "Oh, here, take my computer and throw it in a dumpster so I have a reason to call you tomorrow."

It all comes back to consciousness of guilt. You do not leave an unconscious person after seeing them "flop around like a fish." (You call 911.) And you don't steal their computer and throw it in a dumpster. And you don't kick their door down because "you want to talk." IMO, it's surprising such an expensive defense team has come up with such a ridiculous story. Then again, who knows? It worked for OJ. It might work for Huguely. Sadly, juries often seem disinclined to send wealthy people to jail, especially when it comes to domestic violence.

@Cin17 - well said and it will be a shame if the jury does this....sends him back out into society to do it again, which with his track record, he will manage to do.


There is no question that Huguely will face jail time (including time already served), it is whether he is found guilty of involuntary manslaughter or murder one. I don't think his wealthy background really has anything to do with the issue, other than the fact that it's paying for his defense. Your comment about juries being disinclined to send wealthy people jail is curious as you could say the same about women (e.g. - Casey Anthony).

Do I think Huguely had the intention of killing Love? No, I think he was so enebriated and frustrated that he lost control of his rational faculties and underestimated his own strength.


The jury, if they find him not guilty of murder, will not set him free immediately unless the judge counts the time he's already served. Second, despite his reckless dypsomaniacal past which caused his violent tempers to surface, I think he has learned his lesson about his problem with alcohol. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised, again if found not guilty, that one of his central conditions of parole would be to remain sober.

Last I checked, seizures would leave some physical evidence. If the ME found indications of seizures, he/she would have reported that information.

The point being made by the ME is that it took more than a fall to cause the injuries sustained by the victim.

Mr. Huguely is the only person who knows what happened that night. If he was as drunk as he was alleged to be, it is mighty unlikely that he remembers his actions. Being drunk isn't a defense.

This is odd: http://virginiasports.cstv.com/sports/m-lacros/mtt/huguely_george00.html

Why does UVA's website list him as "graduated?"

RE: smothering/suffocation, isn't the defense contending (in part) that the way she was lying on the bed could have caused her to suffocate. Isn't one of the Hook article titles (or something, somewhere from day 1) called 'crib death'?

@Miss Information

That still doesn't explain the bruises on her face and jaw or the lacerations in her mouth.


@Hawes - "Trial of the century..." - score! We're only 12 years into the century and we've already got THE big one!

All kidding aside, I appreciate your close coverage.

There was a lot of money, as well as a lot of publicity, for Casey Anthony's defense team. I think it was in excess of $100,000 and two of the defense team have rights for book deals (or something like that). For some warped reason that I can't explain, Casey Anthony achieved a kind of celebrity status and I think that had a lot to do with her jury's outrageous verdict.

As for Huguely, he had a history of drunken violence. It was only a matter of time before he killed someone. I agree with Darnit, he'll likely do it again.

And he wasn't so drunk that he didn't think to take her laptop with the incriminating emails on it. Further, he even remembered where he threw it.

Miss Information, IIRC, the forensic/medical witness stated Love was suffocated at some point but it was not the COD.


I agree that Casey Anthony received a sickening status. My point was that she did not come from wealth like Huguely.

Agreed. Anthony wasn't born into wealth. Worse, she and her family made a killing off her daughter's death.

Casey's verdict likely had more to do with the prosecution having overreached by insisting they could prove a DP murder case, despite no COD, and by making false claims such as contending there were 84 searches for chloroform, when in fact there were not. It was just sloppy. Hubris, really.

Well, if Huguely gets off, maybe he can go date Casey. As the old saying goes: misery loves company.

I don't see why this should be anything less than Murder 2. I think a fall to the floor can now be ruled out. It's obvious from the ME testimony that the damage was of such a traumatic nature, that it was more akin to a major car accident. The size of the swelling in her brain, in conjunction with the bruises on her eye, along with her neck, point to an incredibly brutal scene in which Huguely slammed her head multiple times into the wall, while strangeling and punching her. The amount of strength and force required to create such a massive amount of trauma must have been of such a horrific nature that a juror should be hard pressed to allow an alcohol defense to mitigate intent. I really don't understand how this could go to involuntary manslaughter. Murder 1 or 2.


I agree with you. Intoxication as a defense is pretty weak, as that would give reason to every Tom, Dick, and Harry on Death Row reason for filing appeals.

I had a family member suffer severe head trauma in a car accident as a teenager. The medics had to use the jaws of life to cut him out of the car. It was horrific devastation, a head on collision, and his head went through the windshield at an extremely high speed. The other passenger passed away. The family member was in the hospital for a month and had substantial brain swelling. He eventually pulled through.

This incident helps me put into context the amount of brute force it would take to cause a female brain to swell to 1420 grams. The amount of power would have been of such a nature, that there is no way a reasonable juror could infer that Georgie Boy was not in control of his rage. Even if he was blacked out drunk, he was in control of his faculties enough to brutalize this girl in the worst way possible. Of course we know he didn't black out as his police interrogation most certainly suggests he knew more or less what he was doing. And let's not forget about the computer he took for "collateral."

I have no clue about this but perhaps in legal jargon there is a difference between suffocation and smothering. It stands to reason that one can suffocate from otherwise benign circumstances, ie., falling asleep but on one's face, obscuring the ability to breathe before it's too late. Smothering, on the other hand, might connote an intentional act from outside of one's self. I have no idea if this is accurate or not, I'm just being intuitive.

But for smothering, or forced suffocation if you will, this may be where we get the frenulum damage to Love's lip. Forensically speaking the violence indicative in that evidence may point to suffocation versus the non-struggle that may be more indicative of suffocation in non-violent situations, such as "crib death" no matter the age of the deceased.

To me there is nothing accidental about suffocation as an act of intentional violence, GHV holding her until she stopped seeming to breathe. As others have pointed out he had the faculties to remove incriminating evidence and dispose of it and he remembers where he threw the evidence. This is not the stuff of a drunk who blacked out.

Agreed, JeffersonChurchill. They'd make a perfect(ly miserable) pair!

I'm with bart. Murder 1 or 2. With the past history (verified with eye witness accounts), the forced entry, and the stolen computer with the email death threat, I can't see anything less. Love was brutally beaten. And, Huguely wasn't so drunk that he didn't think to take the computer which leads me to believe he knew she was dead when he left her apartment.

If he was blacked out drunk, he wouldn't have gone over to Yeardley's flat in the first place. He was p!$$ed drunk, angry, and sexually frustrated. Not to mention jealous.


Does the past history and the eye witness accounts have any relevance in this courtroom? Are they germane to this case? I think they are but they may not be allowed as evidence in this particular chamber.

The principle of reasonable doubt has already been satisfied . Hugley has already admitted to manslaughter . The onus of prof that the killing was not murder now is on him . He will have to take the stand as there is nothing for him to lose now . M1 is a non starter ,therefore, we are between manslaughter and M2 . Huguely having to try to wriggle out of the M2 charge will have to take the stand as his taped statement just doesn't cut it .Too many lies there . If he doesn;t take the stand it will signal the defense has no confidence in their client and they are just going to accept the M2 conviction and try to get it reduced on appeal .

I'm assuming that the past history is relevant as the prosecution has presented witness testimony of the time he attacked Love and put her in a chokehold.

I'm not sure if they have been allowed to bring up the other arrests. As he was found guilty in those cases, I'd guess yes. But to be sure I'd need to go back and check the news accounts for mention of it.

The more I hear about this case the more I am willing to accept that M1 is on the table. GHVs intent was formed over a period of weeks, escalating in the final days of before Love's killing. Drink didn't inhibit his ability to intend. It allowed him to act on that intention without mercy.

Kate George:

"Liquid Courage?"

Frank Speaker:

So basically this trial has all the necessary ingredients of becoming a huge legal clusterf---?

Burden of proof is always on the state. The defense is going to whittle away at all the seeming certitude that has folks so (temporarily) hopeful for murder 1. In the end it will be a messy blur of wishy washy facts that don't quite deliver the black and white proof of murder. He may just get manslaughter.

@JeffersonChurchill indeed. There is everything to indicate that GHV was ruminating obsessively on Love, with an undertone of humiliation and rage. She had belittled his prowess in bed, and of late had refused to communicate with him any more through e-mail and, without her phone, was otherwise unreachable. She wasn't seeking reconciliation, or to continue their alleged "pattern." All of this would have made him feel very emasculated and helpless which, coupled with a history of rage and abusiveness, plausibly lead him to focus on giving her "what for."

In a more or less sober state of mind the combo of humiliation and impotence might have lead him to pursue more conventional channels while still remaining obsessed: all the e-mails, and, potentially attempts to call her. But throw a few drinks into an obsessed mind, and there's fuel to fire. This doesn't logically mean an impaired ability to intend. It can also mean a willingness to disregard internal objections and potential consequences.

For the umpteenth time from me (sorry) I believe his tolerance to alcohol was extremely high so I don't buy that he was impaired from judgement to action. In fact, based on several pieces of evidence and the timeline, I see him as highly functioning throughout the situation and lucid enough to recall key details (or put a spin on key details) during his questioning.

Kate, I agree with you about his tolerance. He was very high functioning. I believe he was likely always under the influence. Further, I have begun to see murder one as well. Sad as it makes me because I feel strongly that George never got a fair chance in life, I do see premeditated murder.

I think he beat her, threw her on the bed and then pressed her face into the pillow for some time.

@Kate George

Yeah, a dude who's 6'2", 205 pounds, and spent a good three and three-quarter years partying in the lax crowd (not to mention probably some pre-gaming in prep school) would likely have a high tolerance to alcohol. Having gone to a rival of his prep school alma mater in Baltimore, I can attest that the partying is excessive and the tolerances impressive.

One thing that is puzzling me, Huguely has significantly slimmed down since his arrest. Was he using roids at the time?

@sue lord

How did George Huguely "never get a fair chance in life?" He grew up in Chevy Chase, Maryland, went to the elite Landon School, was a lacrosse and football star who enjoyed "rockstar" status, then gets into UVA on a lacrosse scholarship where enjoys even more "rockstar" status, dates a very hot girl, and was about to graduate and enjoy more "rockstar" status based on his legacy as a lacrosse player which opens many doors in the financial world. I'd say he had MORE THAN fair chance in life and flushed it down the toilet.

Not this again. He was a second string bloated boozer, not a star lacrosse player abusing steroids. I'm not sure that steroids are even that widely used in the lacrosse world. This is not a money sport. One doesn't have much of a future as an olympic or professional lacrosse player. Is there even such a thing as professional lacrosse player?

George is obviously a severe narcassist that never received appropriate help for his issues. The email is important because it shows how angry he was....angry enough to kill. He was pissed because she ignored him...and nothing incites a narcisstic rage like being ignored. Sure- he was hammered but he wasn't too drunk to remember where he disposed of her computer. Maybe he had a partial brownout- however- the email and kicking a hole in the door do not make me think he was going in the room the sing Kum-ba-ya. He deserves murder 1. I agree with the commenters that think his tears are shed for himself. Denial is not just a river in Egypt- don't drop the soap George!!!

@sue lord

Sue Lord

There are professional lacross players, a mate of mine from prep school, who went off to UVA played professional lacross for the Boston Cannons. Second, lacrosse IS a money sport. It is mostly played by the rich at expensive private schools. Either way, George had every opportunity available to him and he threw it away. So saying that didn't get a fair chance is outrageous. He's lucky he's getting the chance he currently has: in court.

Somebody said, "...I feel strongly that George never got a fair chance in life..."


He never had rock star status. Again, he was not a UVA star player. How does having money automatically imply that one was raised well?

I would much rather be born to poor, loving, responsible and sober parents than the wealthy, highly dysfunctional and emotionally abusive, neglectful parents of which George was the product.

In my opinion,when a parent is under the influence, they are not parenting. They are neglecting their children when they are under the influence. Neglected children are often riddled with lifelong problems. George come from a long line of heavy drinkers.

Of course I think he should be punished. I also stated that I believe he should get first degree based on what we know now.

I am also sad for him and hugely sympathetic towards him, as I know his background. I would feel the same compassion for any young defendant on trial for a crime who had been neglected as a child. Anyone in that position would have my sympathy.

I do, however, feel much deeper sympathy for Miss Love, as I have stated before.

It is tiresome as hell to constantly have to defend that position. Of course I know that he is a menace etc., and that Miss Love is far more deserving of our sympathy, but can't we also comment on some of the deeper implications here?

Perhaps if we took greater notice of these all too common problems earlier, there would be less of this type of crime.

@woodchuck: Thank you

@sue lord: Whether Mr. Huguely was or was not a star lacrosse player at UVA is not the point. The point is that, despite maybe having come from a dysfunctional yet wealthy background, he still had more of a chance than 99% of the population his (and her) age. I'm sure people in George's past tried to confront him about alcohol, but do you want to tell a hulking jock with an ego and a temper that he's got a problem? Moreover, Huguely's parents aren't on trial here, Huguely is.

Writing a sympathy note and doing several hours of community service isn't going to cut it when you bludgeon someone to death who thinks your reproductive organ needs improvement...

Sue Lord:

How do you know whether George was neglected as a child or not? From what I've heard from people who actually KNEW him, he was the "All-American" guy. Sending kids to expensive private schools, buying them brand new cars for the 16th birthdays, and pushing to excel in sports in order to get a scholarship to a good college is hardly what I'd call neglect. Where I come from we call that coddling. I've heard some psychobabble in my day but good God!

I do know the family. You strike me as one of those who is angry at those who have the good fortune of being born into wealth.

Sue Lord:

Quite the contrary. I am angry at those who, because they have had such advantages and oppurtunities, take them for granted. Read Evelyn Waugh's "Brideshead Revisited," however Huguely is no Sebastian Flyte. As stated in an earlier post, I went to a rival prep school like George's in Baltimore, went to two ivy league universities, partied, but knew my limits and knew that eventually I would have to work for a living. I was also taught that if a girl dumps you, you simply go find another one not bash her cranium open.

This is a tragedy pure and simple. Both families have lost. This is not the kind of situation where we can say "Something good has to come of this". There are no winners.

Let's remember that everyone is entitled to the best defense they can afford. That's a right under our Due Process clause. We cannot condemn the defense team for trying to save Mr. Huguely.

Tempers can flare out of control at any time. Despite his email "I should have killed" you, I do not believe he went into Yeardly's room with an intent to murder her. What we have here, unfortunately, is jealous passion spiraled.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am not condoning what has happened. I am only suggesting that there are different types of Murders under our legal system.

But for the Grace of God, go I. It is lucky for Yeardly that when she hit GH in the head with her purse, that she did not hit him in the wrong spot. There are spots where hit correctly can kill someone too .

So there are lessons here, kids. If you are in a relationship where jealousy has raised it's ugly head, get out; don't walk, run. Jealousy is not an indicator of love and affection. It is destructive.

I lift prayers every day for both families. There are no winners. Only heartbreak and sorrow

Whatever neglect —emotional, physical (hugs), psychological (connection)—GHV may have experienced, or even patent abuse (I have no idea) the one thing we can say about such cases is that it is hardly unique, somewhat eroding the sympathy one feels beyond the tragedy of life in general.

Let's face it, few who are well loved and nurtured, leading to a well adjusted psyche, commit serious crimes. There's always something in the background of a human life gone terribly wrong to contextualize an explanation if not an excuse.

Probably most folks imprisoned for violent crimes, socio or psychopathic crimes, and even crimes of passion have a story to tell of no bedtime stories, drunk parents, being forgotten after practice, plays unattended, and even abuse, physical, sexual, or emotional.

The thing is, we don't have a system that says to the poor, the downtrodden, the abused, the neglected, or the rich, privileged and made to grow up too soon, "we get how rough you felt life was. Someone should have loved you. Someone should have treated you with dignity. Those folks should have never hurt you or you would know how to care, to love, to be gentle."

Instead we have one that says you could have been beaten to a bloody pulp from day one to your 18th birthday but on the day you became legal, we expect you to know the difference between right and wrong, to act with restraint, to be free from crime, battery, abuse yourself.

This may be unfair, but if a violin is playing for GHV, it's playing for millions of imprisoned souls the world over. And on that note, the time for the sympathy is not so much when the real victim is having a shot at posthumous justice. No amount of sympathy for her will give her a second chance. He should be seen on that par, and then, if he's convicted, and sentenced, he can seek tea and sympathy with the rest of those who breached the borders of society's tolerance.

We all make choices. Such is the bittersweet nature of human existence.

I've read a few post stating huguely never got a fair chance in life. I like to know why some feel this way. Is it because of his dad? If yes, why? I'm just interesed in others' opinion on this. As for me, all I know is that he is the product of divorce and the divorce was not amicable.

I too went to a private school in Baltimore. ( Landon is just outside of D.C., not in Baltimore ) Unlike you, Jefferson, my take away was that attending such a school was not necessarily an advantage.

You likely were taught to be a human being by your parents, hence my point. I just think that George was the product of such tremendous dysfunction, that he was not taught the appropriate lessons in life.

Again, I am not trying to excuse or justify his actions, just expressing that I feel sympathy for him. Needless to say, our opinions aren't worth much anyway, as how the jury comes to see George is what matters.

Sue Lord:

I am aware of the geographic location of the Landon School as I played them numerous times in high school. My parents divorced when I was 16, placing me in a situation where I had to look after myself but I never spiralled into dypsomania. Huguely's parents' divorce has nothing to do with his actions.

Ms. Lord,

For the record, there are two professional lacrosse leagues, one indoor and one outdoor. That said, only a handful of players make a living playing lacrosse. Nearly all have full-time jobs during the week, often states away from their weekend teams, and most are responsible for their own travel to their games. They are really one step above pick-up leagues at this time. There are a couple families of lacrosse players who make a living between coaching, camps, and endorsement deals, but I am presently aware of only one former Johns Hopkins player who has parlayed his college lacrosse success into full-time employment.

On Barefoot's afternoon wrap up with Spencer he asks the editor if it is likely that as a last resort GHV's defense team would place him on the stand. Spencer says he sees it as unlikely as it would put GHV in the position of having to answer not only to myriad contradictions in his own statement to police, but also to other elements that have come up in the case.

It made me think especially of GHV's statement that she allegedly banged her own head against the wall. ow granted, she does sound frustrated with GHV's lunacy, but it's like that thing when you're a kid and an older sibling holds you and makes you punch yourself and taunts you with, "Why are you hitting yourself, why are you hitting yourself, why are you hitting yourself?" It's ridiculous enough there, but my gosh, banging her head on both sides to the point of causing irreversible blunt force trauma? Yeah, GHV's not likely to take the stand.

trials have ebbs and flows, and george was looking good last week as this started for perhaps a lesser charge, he has not had 3 good days at all. it will tilt back as they all do, but he better have some good days soon or he will be in a tough spot. i think he ends of with murder 2 unless he lawyers can turn this around. agg manslaughter was my opinion last week, but he has had 3 bad days.

"He's just an excitable boy .... ." W. Zevon

There are wealthy families and poor families who take their responsiblity of raising their children right and teach them to be productive members. Sometimes even from those families you have murders, rapists, etc. There are poor families and wealthy families who do not value the responsibility of raising a child and the results can be less than adequate human beings that pass that on to the next generation. There are those products of such childhoods who rebel and in the worst of it come out and prove all wrong. Overall this is a tragedy - moreso with Love's family than GHV's family. Truly, I believe they are paying the bills because "what would the neighbors, club members, etc. think" if they didn't.

Intent to kill - for 1st degree murder can be formed 2 seconds prior to the death. Example: If he stated two seconds after busting down her door, "I'm going to kill you" - but there is no witness to it.

Utimately - it is up to the jury to decide.

And please don't pair him up with Casey Anthony - my God the spawn they would produce? If they lived..

@Prayers - something good can come out of this - and already has from restaining orders in VA - now a girlfriend not living with a boyfriend can obtain a restraining order. More importantly, this will send a message to many out there to keep an eye out for your friend, team mate, neighbor and help them out - if it is an abusive relationship or if they have a drinking problem.

Understand your thoughts here but as someone who lost a child to death, I turned that around - from tragedy can come benefit to others.

@ Cville Native

The only positive thing that could come out of a Huguely and Anthony pairing would be that two negatives would end up cancelling out each other. I mean, seriously, the adult film industry is non-discriminatory and if you're good, quite lucrative. Talk about a controversial paradox!

Anyway, all jokes aside, I do feel sorry for George only because he is going to have to live with this for the REST of his life and I do not think he was thinking about the consequences. One can be drunk and act impulsively without regard of what one is doing. I honestly think that this is what happened here, but why didn't his teammates, or parents, intervene? Or Yeardley, for that matter? This whole affair represents the decline of society as a whole: too much too young, too much focus on materialism and aestheticism, too much reliance on text messaging rather than actually physically talking, too much reliance on social media (thanks Zuckerberg), and the timeless spotlight on the athlete and not the scholar.


Question is, does he REMEMBER any of it? Granted he's had 1.5 years to think about it but how has his story evolved/ Also, why didn't any neighbours report anything?

Yes there is not much he could clear up by taking the stand . He would likely just make himself look worse in view of the damage done to YL . Digging a deeper hole with his testimony would lessen his chances to get a murder conviction reduced on appeal .The capable defense lawyers have the victims BAC and legal drug combination , parts of GWH V taped statement and expert opinions of cause of death .There doesn't seem much more that they have but going through the evidence point by point with a contrarian attitude is necessary to get paid . Each day makes GWH V look like he is losing this trial on a murder charge but as bad as it is M 1 doesn't seem probable .

Cville I am sorry for the loss of your child. I have suffered great losses, too

But this is not the first time there has been domestic violence where legislation has been passed as an after thought. RO's will not stop these type of situations. Heck, it's only a piece of paper.

I agree with Jefferson. This was a terrible impulsive action. And so many people do not think of consequences and who their actions will affect. How others will be affected by what they do today, this minute. \Although I do not blame advanced technology for any of this, as Jefferson.

Two families have been destroyed. It does not matter if they are rich or poor. No one will ever be the same. There will be no good that will come of this. There are no winners.

But I do believe what happened is a result of not understanding that we are flesh and bones. Because GH and Yeardley had this altercations before, it was just another episode to him. He was gonna go in, push her around some as he has before and the next day send her flowers - yes, just and example. He had no intention of killing her. It was routine behavior and part of their relationship.

Choking another human being is not routine behavior .It is criminal behavior . Most grown men go through a whole life without having to hit or choke women . Expressions of sympathy for this person and making numerous excuses for his conduct are off the wall .

@ JC, Re: George having to live with this for the REST of his life...

I really don't think so. We've all got a good idea of what the fella is like, and others like him, and- if there's anything they've all got in common- it's the ability to rationalize their own actions and make excuses. I have absolutely no doubt he'll easily reconcile this in his mind, with such thoughts as "I never meant to kill her," "she asked for it," "we'd both been drinking, it accidentally got outta control," and, even, "had she not been such a b*^ch this probably never would have happened." Yeah, his track record on attitude towards women seems that clear to me. The guy has no conscience as far as I can tell- I firmly believe he mourns for himself and not for her. I also seriously doubt if his family accepts any role building up to this, and would feel comfy wagering that they view it something along the lines of "poor George, had she not egged him on, had she not rubbed his nose in the fact he'd been bested in bed, had she not provoked him in to abuse, then our boy would be acquitted and seen to be the basically good boy we know he is."

Oh- and to those whose hearts bleed under the heading of "we must feel for those of adverse upbringing"- no sale here. That's too easy. I, like countless others, was raised amidst circumstances that make George's look like a cake walk and I, again like countless others, choose to live responsibly, respecting of differences/diversity, right and wrong, accepting of responsibility and feeling rewarded (even if only emotionally) for treating others well. We all make choices.

I am not trying to rationalize bad behavior. Absolutely, it is not acceptable. But, it was not premeditated, in my opinion.

Of course, death is the ultimate punishment for GH, if convicted of 1st degree. I do not mean to imply that Yeardley egged him on or deserved any type of physical abuse or otherwise. I am only saying it was acceptable to her as part of thier relationship. She thought it would stop. Or that he would change. And when she realized she deserved better and could not waste any more of her time with him, it was too late. All very common of domestic violence victims.

I do not have pity for GH only the families and friends he has left in his wake. But I do not believe it was 1st degree.

"George never got a fair chance in life"...ok I'm still baffled. Here's why. I know of a man who came from a poor family with an alcoholic mom. He went to a neighbors home and asked for food because he was hungry. He got a "chance" to go to college, he was in ROTC. Although his childhood was difficult he made the choice not to repeat the cycle. He loves his mom and loves his son. He could have been a statistic, but he saw an opportunity and ran with it. Last I heard he's a colonel in the US Army. So to say huguely NEVER got a fair chance, just doesn't move me.

I grew up "country club" and attended private school. Had alcoholic parents as well. My brother and I turned out to be productive members of society without arrest records or charged with murdering someone! Quit making excuses for this guy!

...however miss yeardley love didn't get a fair chance "at" life, because it was taken from her at the hands of another.

I think some of you are over-thinking on behalf of the jury members.

The prosecution is being factual and laying out detail upon detail.

Common sense says he did it. The prosecution's case spells out how he did it. His video-taped police questioning all but makes it clear he did it.

The defense attorneys are pocketing some large coin and will be for quite some time...but they are just grasping at nonsensical straws. Straws which the jury members must act like they are considering, but they're probably having a good chuckle about at the end of the day.

I will say, I am glad most all the commenters here we all do not want his actions to be excused away because of his upbringing. We all have deamons in our past, did it make us kill? Obviously not we wouldn't be commenting here.

@frank - you are absolutely correct here - and we are not hearing every minor detail here, nor do we know what was in the letter which was in YL's desk from GHV.

The main question and perhaps why all of us are so interested in this case is that fact the jury is to decide 1st Degree, 2nd Degree, Manslaughter.

Just my speculation here but if you attempt to choke someone (as the evidence indicates), isn't that making the decission to "kill them"? I wish there was some sort of senerio presented by the Commonwealth to her injuries and how they came about - maybe that is for today.


Whether you think George is remorseless or not is beside the point. Already, he has this indelible stain on his reputation (or whatever synonym you want to call it). While some might say his emotional breakdown in court may have been staged, I really don't think so. We don't know what those photos contained, we can only speculate. I wonder if it was the first time he saw them and the memory came back tenfold.

@ Abigail

I concur, I had the same background except I got arrested in a graveyard my first week at university. Why? I was having it up with my girlfriend at the time, and by that I mean it was fun and consentual, until the cops came.


The graveyard near Old Dorms? I was got in on there as well .

In addition to having to live with what he did to his girlfriend I hope he lives a long time living with what he is NOW doing to his family by dragging this out. A truly remorseful person would have pleaded and thrown himself on the mercy of the court.

Saying he was mad because he got outlaid and she couldn't take a punch is beyond sad.

He obviuosly doesn't care about her or he wouldn't be exposoing the world to all of this.

He deserves an "upgrade" (to murder) just for going through this travesty instead of manning up.

The aristocrats......


No, this was up in Saratoga Springs, New York.

@Bill Marshall

What does the aristocracy have to do with this? Otherwise, yes, I think he should've owned up to his mistake. But, his family obviously doesn't see it that way. Kind of like how entertainers who screw up seem to think that going to rehab will automatically clear them of past blunders.

"A truly remorseful person would have pleaded and thrown himself on the mercy of the court." Well, if the accused was remorseful that someone he treated roughly but hadn't meant to kill died but he was only offered a plea of guilty to the crime of pre-meditated murder, that might not work out so neatly eh? Isn't it obvious that's what this whole trial is about?

I seriously doubt that the prosecution would not have accepted a murder two or even a manslaughter charge to spare the families and the media circus.

This trial is about a snot nosed rich punk who eqauted wealth with integrity and superiority and lost bigtime and now wants another free pass... (other than his birthright)

People born into such wealth SHOULD be held to a higher standard because they squandered the opportunity they were born with.

The aristocrats.... I don't feel sorry for him, Pat kluge, whitney houston, mel gibson lindsay lohan or for that matter JFK junior who thought he could fly because he was a kennedy....

They blew it and they need to pay the piper....

remorseless or not- Boy George is basically fighting for his life and freedom........if he had fought for Ms. Love's life, he would have proved himself to at least be a man.........

Just reasons for Murder 1 :

1. "I should have killed you," email. He'd at least been thinking about murdering her. It had crossed his mind.

2. Strangulation - people strangle to kill. It's not a punch or a kick. It's cutting off ones ability to breathe. This was his second attempt in strangling her (perhaps there were other attempts we don't know about.

Isn't that enough to convict of Murder 1?

Weston- Only the jury knows for sure...........and if the prosecution can eliminate the reasonable doubt claims from the defense